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« Reply #5960 on: September 25, 2022, 09:13:29 PM »
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Cash-poor Trump may have to dump his skyscrapers at 'fire sale' prices if he loses NY fraud lawsuit: biographer



Appearing on MSNBC on Sunday afternoon, Donald Trump biographer and senior executive editor of Bloomberg Opinion, Tim O'Brien, claimed that, should the former president go head-to-head with New York Attorney General Letitia O'Brien and lose the $250 million lawsuit she has filed against him, he will likely have to liquidate his properties --and at fire sale prices.

Speaking with MSNBC host Alex Witt, O'Brien suggested that Trump's worth is wrapped up in his real estate portfolio and he doesn't have access to enough cash to pay penalties and fines if he loses his court battle.

"You say that James' suit won't land the Trumps in prison, only criminal convictions could do that," host Witt prompted. "It seeks to bar the Trumps from running a business in New York state and might unravel the Trump organization. You just heard [former Trump lawyer] Michael Cohen say it could actually wipe Trump out. Is that the way you see it?"

"Well, I think it depends on the extent of damage that the case inflicts and her prosecution inflicts on the Trump family and their businesses," he replied. "Michael is completely right that he has never had a lot of cash on hand, he's almost a debt addict, he has always heavily mortgaged the properties he owns."

"Most of his wealth is tied up in a handful of skyscrapers in New York City," he continued. "Tish James is seeking to bar him from doing business in the state of New York, so he'll have to unload those if he gets convicted. And that is a fire sale, which means everyone who's a buyer will know they won't have to pay top dollar because he needs to get out of the property."

"She has made to two criminal referrals out of this case, one to the IRS and one to the US Attorneys' office in the Southern District [of New York]," he elaborated. "So that is now hanging over his head. I think the family's legacy is in New York, everything that Donald Trump stands on was built by Trump in New York. Trump has put those holdings in peril twice, the first time in the early 90's when he gorged on debt and couldn't repay the banks and again now when he has gotten on the wrong side of the law."

"I think this is an existential threat to his business and his financial well-being," he added.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5961 on: September 26, 2022, 10:09:45 PM »
Judges aren't buying any of Trump's 'MAGA make-believe' as his attorneys struggle: legal expert

According to former FBI official Peter Strzok, Donald Trump continues to put his attorneys in a bad place every time they face a judge and have to explain claims he keeps making to his rabid followers.

Appearing on MSNBC on Sunday afternoon, Strzok told host Yasmin Vossoughian that the judges are not buying Trump's "MAGA make-believe," stories and his legal team has no way of defending him without perjuring themselves.

'What defenses do you see of the former president's team floating here?" the host asked him.

"I don't think they have many," Strzok said as he smiled. "At the end of the day this is always been from Trump's side, sort of a publicity stunt, something to fund-raise off of, something he could take to his base and continue the narrative that somehow he has been wrongly investigated, and the deep state is going after him and that he can use this to engender more support for this nonsense tale that he is trying to get away from any accountability for any potential criminal acts he engaged in."

"At the end of the day, what's refreshing is that all this nonsense in this land of MAGA make-believe hits the judicial system of the United States it crumbles immediately," he added as he laughed. "That's what you have seen from Judge [Raymond] Dearie, the special master laying out an aggressive timeline saying 'We have heard you make the statements that you declassified them, we heard you make statements that evidence has been planted. Fine, by Friday, give details of exactly what you mean by that, and not only that but by next month, by mid-October, to have a complete review of a privilege log for anything you claim as executive privilege, client-attorney privilege.'"

"I don't see any argument that Trump can make, and more importantly, any argument that attorneys representing Trump are going to be willing to put their name on the line for something that isn't supported by the law, that isn't supported by fact, and that might get them into a lot of trouble ethically and with their bar memberships," he added.

He then predicted, "I don't expect to see much of anything of substance coming from Trump and his attorneys this week."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5962 on: September 26, 2022, 10:39:10 PM »
Criminal Donald and his cohorts are delusional.

Who cares if his base gets "fired up" over indictments. There isn't enough MAGAs to win a national election. We saw that in 2020 when they got every MAGA voter they could and it still wasn't enough. Criminal Donald lost in a blowout with his "fired up" base.   


'Real paranoia' grips Trump camp as they wait for the next legal 'shoe to drop': MSNBC host



During a "Morning Joe" panel discussion on Donald Trump's chances of running for, and winning back the presidency in 2024, MSNBC host Jonathan Lemire suggested that the former president and his inner circle are living in a state of paranoia about what will be the next legal, blow to arrive.

Discussing a new poll from the New York Times that shows 54 percent of those asked believe the former president is a threat to democracy, most on the panel expressed belief he will still be the GOP's nominee in 2024 and that Trump's camp thinks indictments will fire up his base.

Nonetheless, Trump and his inner circle still have major concerns about investigations by the Department of Justice, the House select committee looking into the Jan. 6 insurrection, a Georgia grand jury hearing testimony on election tampering and now a lawsuit by New York's attorney general alleging financial fraud.

As "Way Too Early" host Lemire explained, there is a great deal of nervousness surrounding the ex-president.

"In terms of Trump world, two things -- a common phrase around here -- two things can be true at once," Lemire began. "On one hand, there's a growing certain that his inner circle has really shrunk in recent months. There's a handful of aides with him, whether at Bedminster or Mar-a-Lago. Even Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner, some of his most trusted advisors, are now largely on the outer rim of Trump world at this moment."

"And there's real paranoia as to which shoe could drop in terms of investigations," he continued. "They're not sure which is worse. Is it going to be the Mar-a-Lago document case? Is it going to be what comes out of Georgia? Obviously now we have the lawsuits from the attorney general of New York state an, of course, the ongoing DOJ probe into January 6."

He later added, "The more that Trump is in legal peril, the more the chance that the Republican Party will rally around him -- that's what they think, anyway."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5963 on: September 27, 2022, 09:32:08 AM »
Trump's National Archives aide Kash Patel is writing QAnon slogans when signing books



Kash Patel is among those that Donald Trump appointed to be his representative to the National Archives. Patel revealed after the FBI search warrant was executed on Mar-a-Lago that he was going to post all of the documents that the FBI took to his own personal website.

According to the abbreviations and markings on the outside of the folders in the photo put in the court documents, Trump had nuclear information that previously fell under the Atomic Energy Act and had been moved to the Pentagon.

Patel was also nearly a nominee to serve as the deputy to the CIA. The actual CIA director, Gina Haspel, reportedly threatened to resign if it happened.

The new Patel children's book paints Donald Trump as "the King," and glorifies the fake story about 2020 voter fraud taking away "the King's" power unfairly.

The Trump aide posted on Truth Social that he was offering a special message for the first 10 buyers of his book at a recent signing. A fan who purchased it posted a photo showing that Patel's message was the QAnon slogan "Where We Go One We Go All," abbreviated awkwardly to WWGOWGA.

Trump has turned toward QAnon recently because they remain among those willing to support him at a time other Republicans are abandoning him for Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL). Many QAnon conspiracies claim that Trump will retake power or will be somehow reappointed to the White House. The date for this action keeps moving further out after the deadline comes and goes without Trump being reappointed.

See the moment captured by a fan from Truth Social and "re-truthed" by Patel below:



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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5964 on: September 27, 2022, 10:00:04 AM »
Trump Faces 'Criminal Liability' in NY Case That Will 'Wipe Him Out': Cohen



Donald Trump is facing "criminal liability" in New York Attorney General Letitia James' lawsuit into alleged business fraud that could "wipe him out," his ex-personal attorney Michael Cohen said Saturday.

James, a Democrat up for reelection this year, announced Wednesday the civil lawsuit against Trump that seeks at least $250 million in repayment from allegedly fraudulent practices and to remove all of the Trumps from their positions within the Trump Organization. Three of Trump's children—Donald Jr., Ivanka and Eric Trump—and two senior executives at the Trump Organization were also mentioned in the lawsuit.

She alleged that the Trumps enriched themselves with "numerous acts of fraud and misrepresentations" and that Trump "grossly" inflated his net worth by billions of dollars. She also accused him of cheating lenders and others with false and misleading financial statements.

While announcing the investigation, she credited Cohen, who served a prison sentence for campaign finance charges, with providing information to help bolster her case against the former president

Cohen, once a Trump ally, has now turned against him and has cooperated with investigators looking into Trump's business dealings. He said during a Saturday appearance on MSNBC that James' case leaves Trump facing "the worst situation that he's ever been in, which is criminal liability."

In addition to filing a civil lawsuit against Trump, James also referred alleged criminal violations to the Southern District of New York (SDNY) and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS)—meaning that he could still face criminal charges in the case, though neither agency has announced any.

"Let's see if the Southern District of New York, that's no longer under his control, will pick up the mantle," Cohen said. "IRS—it's an open and shut case. Numbers don't lie. People do. And Donald is one of the biggest liars that you'll ever meet."

Cohen Says Trump Could Pay Up to $1 Billion

Cohen also said that James' lawsuit against Trump could "wipe him out" financially if a court demands he pay restitution—adding that the former president could be ordered to pay much more than the $250 million "baseline" alleged by James in the lawsuit.

"What Tish James writes it that the baseline is $250 million. She's not going below that. The amount is substantially greater," he said. "And again, as I've said on several shows, I believe the number to be somewhere between $750 [million] and $1 billion."

He continued: "That will wipe him out. He doesn't have cash."

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« Reply #5965 on: September 27, 2022, 09:59:23 PM »
Trump-backed candidate advocated charging women who get abortions with murder: unearthed interview



A newly unearthed 2019 interview with Trump-backed Pennsylvania gubernatorial candidate Doug Mastriano reveals that he advocated charging women with murder if they get abortions.

NBC News reports that Mastriano told Pennsylvania radio station WTIF three years ago that he believed women who get abortions should face the same kinds of penalties that people get when they murder someone.

Mastriano was being asked about legislation he proposed that would bar abortions after a fetal heartbeat is first detected, which usually comes roughly six weeks into pregnancy.

"OK, let’s go back to the basic question there: Is that a human being?" Mastriano said of the fetus. "Is that a little boy or girl? If it is, it deserves equal protection under the law."

He was then pressed if he was specifically calling for women who get abortions to be charged with murder.

"Yes, I am," he replied.

In recent interviews, Mastriano has tried to downplay abortion as a central issue in his gubernatorial campaign, and has instead said it would be a matter for state legislatures to handle.

"My views are kind of irrelevant because I cannot rule by fiat or edict or executive order on the issue of life," Mastriano told right-wing network Real America's Voice.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5966 on: September 28, 2022, 10:40:47 AM »
Trump mocked for ‘sidelining’ his new $3 Million attorney: ‘Must have given him actual legal advice’

It's no secret Donald Trump has been virtually unable to hire highly-respected attorneys to defend him in the many legal and civil cases he is facing for a variety of alleged crimes and misdeeds, including his actions surrounding fraudulent efforts to overturn a free and fair election and the January 6 insurrection, his retention and refusal to return hundreds of classified documents, and his alleged real estate and tax fraud cases, and more.

One of the rumored reasons Trump, a former President, has been unable to retain quality legal representation is he "has a long history of allegedly not paying his bills," as Vanity Fair has noted.

Trump did manage to hire what many consider a qualified and respected attorney for his legal issues surrounding his classified documents case.

Chris Kise, the former solicitor general for Florida, agreed to work for Trump but only if he was paid up front.

Thanks to Trump's massive fundraising operation Kise is being paid millions, effectively by Trump supporters.

Kise is also no longer leading the case.

CNN reports Kise "has been sidelined from the Mar-a-Lago documents investigation less than a month after he was brought on to represent Trump in the matter, two sources familiar with the move tell CNN."

"Kise’s hiring came with an unusual price tag of $3 million, paid for by Trump’s outside spending arm. The retainer fee, paid upfront, raised eyebrows among other lawyers on Trump’s team, given the former President has a developed a reputation for not paying his legal fees."

Legal experts are mocking Trump for sidelining his top attorney.

"Obviously this means the lawyer must have given Trump actual legal advice," teased George Conway.

"Which is just RUDE," replied attorney Ken White.

MSNBC/NBC News legal analyst and anchor Katie Phang asked, "So Kise is a $3 million dollar benchwarmer?"

"Trump is already throwing over Chris Kise after signing a $3M retainer and convincing him to leave Foley & Lardner? That seems ... not smart," says Liz Dye, who writes about law and politics. "Chaos monkey gonna chaos monkey, I guess."

Dan Berman, CNN Politics managing editor for legal, immigration, and the Supreme Court serves up the perfect headline: "Trump's 3 Million Dollar Man is sidelined already."

LA Times columnist Harry Litman, a frequent guest on MSNBC and a former U.S. Attorney offered perhaps the most amusing response:

"The one credible lawyer that Trump has hired in years, Chris Kise, paying $3M up front, now has been demoted and is no longer leading the MAL defense. Must be Trump's payback for the fix he's now in w/ Judge Dearie. He thinks he's Goldfinger/Dr.No but he's really Austin Powers."

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« Reply #5967 on: September 28, 2022, 10:48:25 PM »
Is a major bombshell coming? It sure looks like it



If there is one prominent through-line connecting the two most corrupt presidents in U.S. history, Richard Nixon and Donald Trump, it would have to be the person of Roger Stone. The man has been at the heart of every election scandal for the past 50 years and he's still at it, even today. It's quite a legacy for the guy who has Richard Nixon's face tattooed on his back. It's lucky he left his chest clear for his last great cause, Donald Trump. Stone's work on Trump's behalf provides the perfect coda to a legendary career as a political dirty trickster and world-class black-ops conspiracy-monger.

Stone has had his fingerprints on every nefarious deed the Republicans have pulled in the last half-century, starting when he was a kid working on Nixon's re-election campaign in 1972, and given the job of spying on rival campaigns and finding devious ways to embarrass them in the press. He has said that during the day he was a scheduler but at night, he was "trafficking in the black arts."

In 1977, at age 24, Stone was elected president of the Young Republicans with the help of his buddy Paul Manafort, after they had reportedly compiled "whip books," or files of personal information, on all 800 delegates to the convention. He went on to work on all of Ronald Reagan's presidential campaigns doing what he does best. Stone has claimed, for example, that he served as a go-between when Roy Cohn — the infamous mob lawyer and mentor to Donald Trump — got liberal Republican John Anderson on the New York general election ballot as a third-party candidate in 1980, splitting the vote and allowing Reagan to win the state. Stone has hinted that he delivered a suitcase full of money to a lawyer to make that happen.

Stone then teamed up with Manafort, Charlie Black and the infamous Lee Atwater to form a lobbying and consulting firm that became known as "The Torturer's Lobby" for its willingness to represent the world's most infamous dictators, along with such right-wing luminaries as Rupert Murdoch. He worked with Trump for years, as an adviser and lobbyist for his gambling interests and later as manager of Trump's brief campaign for the Reform Party's presidential nomination in 2000.

Yes, Stone was deeply involved in the 2000 Florida recount, taking credit for the famous "Brooks Brothers riot" that delayed the vote count long enough for the Supreme Court to intervene (others have disputed that he was actually behind that). Throughout the 2000s he perpetrated underhanded dirty tricks in various campaigns, including the formation of an anti-Hillary Clinton group in 2008 called Citizens United Not Timid, purely for the fun of using the crude acronym to own the libs. By 2015 he was egging on his old pal Donald Trump to run for president again, for real this time. He worked for the Trump campaign, at first in an official capacity and then off the books to practice his "dark arts."

Hurricane Ian has forced postponement of the Jan. 6 committee's next hearing. But it looks like the storm is coming for Roger Stone.

You may recall that in 2019 Stone was convicted on charges relating to his alleged coordination with WikiLeaks aimed at sabotaging Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign. But Attorney General Bill Barr rode to his rescue, overruling the career prosecutors and recommending a light sentence, which Trump then commuted. All four prosecutors withdrew from the case in protest. That was the closest call of Stone's career, and the only time anyone has ever seriously tried to hold him liable for his toxic influence on American politics. (Trump eventually pardoned him, which Stone no doubt knew would happen. He knows where all the Trump bodies are buried.)

The Jan. 6 House select committee had to postpone Wednesday's scheduled public hearing, with a major hurricane descending on Florida and dominating the news. But as with previous hearings, the committee teased some of its revelations earlier this week, and we know that Stone's involvement in the Trump coup plot and the Jan. 6 insurrection will feature heavily in their presentation. Some incriminating clips from an unreleased documentary about Stone shot during the 2020 election campaign and its aftermath have already been released.

In an interview with CNN, the Danish filmmakers have said that committee lawyers had flown to Copenhagen to see what they had regarding interactions between Stone, the Trump White House, the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers. Reportedly they identified around eight minutes of relevant footage. Even what we've seen so far is startling. In July 2020, the documentary crew captured Roger Stone saying:

What they're assuming is the election will be normal. The election will not be normal. "These are the California results." Sorry. We're not accepting them. We're challenging them in court. If the electors show up at the — at the Electoral College, armed guards will throw them out. "F*** you. I'm the president. F*** you. You're not stealing Florida. You're not stealing. I'm challenging all of it."

And the judges we're going to. Our judges. "I appointed you. F*** you. You're not stealing the election." That's what — that basically what Bush did to Gore.

So, you know, if they want to run a bunch of fake ballots, we'll have an investigation. We'll say, "These ballots are fake. Your results are invalidated. Goodbye." That's the way it's going to have to look. It's going to be really nasty. But you cannot count on, we're not going to get an honest election.

So, let's say that Trump is a little behind right now, which he probably is. That doesn't bother me. But even if he wins an honest election, we're not going to have an honest election. They're going to steal it. They're stealing this blindfolded right now. So, you know, it's not the first time it's happened in this country and it happens around the world.

So, he's going to have to — he's going to have to fight for the presidency in the courts. Our next election will be decided in the courts. Because they cheat and we don't cheat. We've never cheated.


Setting aside the unbelievable fatuousness of Stone's proclamation that "we've never cheated," which is deeply absurd coming from him, this pretty well lays out the conspiracy to overturn the election, three months before it was executed. He knew Trump was behind and likely to lose. The question before the House committee now is whether or not Roger Stone and Donald Trump were plotting this together and whether Stone was colluding with the violent extremists with whom he associated to start the insurrection on Jan. 6, 2021.

If there is anyone in American politics who's capable of doing such a thing, it's Roger Stone. It would be the ultimate dirty trick of all time, the crowning achievement of a storied rat-f****** career.

https://www.rawstory.com/is-a-major-bombshell-coming/