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Trump officials privately held strategy sessions about how to get their boss to give up boxes of classified info: NYT



On Tuesday, The New York Times reported that in the waning days of the Donald Trump administration, officials privately got together, trying to strategize about how to make the outgoing president surrender boxes that were full of classified documents to be returned to their proper place.

"By the end of his presidency, and as Mr. Trump was fighting to overturn his election loss, some of his aides were concerned with preserving the work of the office itself," reported Maggie Haberman, Ben Protess, Michael S. Schmidt, Luke Broadwater, and William K. Rashbaum. "His habit of transporting material around in cardboard boxes, with either a personal aide or a valet carrying them, was well known, but the contents were not always clear."

"Discussions were held within the White House by top staff members about how to get Mr. Trump to surrender his boxes, people familiar with the events said; it is unclear whether Mr. Trump was ever asked directly or officials simply did not take the issue to him," the report continued.

This new information comes a day after the FBI executed a search warrant at the former president's Mar-a-Lago country club in Palm Beach, Florida, as part of an investigation into classified documents Trump removed when he left office.

"[One] person familiar with the search said agents began going through a storage unit, where items like beach chairs and umbrellas are kept, in the basement," said the report. "They progressed to his office, which was built for him on the second floor of the main house, where they cracked a hotel-style safe that was said by two people briefed on the search to contain nothing of consequence to the agents. Then they moved to Mr. Trump’s residence, the person said. Ultimately, they removed a number of boxes of documents, people familiar with the search said."

Trump has attacked the investigation as a witch hunt, even though the FBI director, Christopher Wray, was one of his own appointees.

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Experts call on Trump to release search warrant and inventory list as his supporters talk of 'civil war'



Legal experts and other experts are urging – or in some cases, daring – Donald Trump to publish a copy of the FBI’s search warrant and the inventory list of the ten cartons of classified documents removed from Mar-a-Lago’s basement Monday, as his supporters openly call for civil war in response to what the former president called a “raid.”

“After the search, the federal agents hauled away roughly 10 more boxes,” The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday.

That makes the total number of cartons the former president was storing at his Florida home approximately 25, based on reports that 15 cartons had to be retrieved by the National Archives earlier this year.

Almost immediately upon news breaking that the FBI had executed a search warrant, Trump supporters went wild. They formed a convoy outside Mar-a-Lago, and online countless threats of violence and “civil war” have been made.

Tuesday morning CNN’s Donie O’Sullivan posted a graph, noting the “big spike in tweets referencing ‘civil war’ right after the news of the FBI search of Mar-a-Lago broke last night.”

Dr. Caroline Orr Bueno posted an image of a large number of tweets that call for civil war and other related threats of violence, including: “I already bought my ammo,” “Civil war! Pick up arms, people!” “Civil War 2.0 just kicked off,” “Let’s do the war,” and “One step closer to a kinetic civil war.”

And Tuesday afternoon NBC News reported, “After Mar-a-Lago search, users on pro-Trump forums agitate for ‘civil war’ — including a Jan. 6 rioter.”

Legal experts have made clear they believe FBI’s execution of a lawful federal search warrant is most likely in connection with a national security and counterintelligence operation, not a casual stroll into the private estate of a former U.S. president – and certainly not a political move, like Trump supporters are falsely claiming.

Former Dept. of Justice Inspector General Michael Bromwich, who is also a former Asst. U.S. Attorney at the Southern District of New York (SDNY) notes that “Trump has the search warrant, specifying the crimes being investigated, and the inventory of the items seized.”

“He has chosen not to share those items publicly although he is free to do so,” Bromwich adds.

Former U.S. Acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal on MSNBC Tuesday morning:

“Donald Trump, you have a copy of the warrant. It explains what they were looking for, what statutes they think were violated, what judge signed off on that…If you believe this is such an abuse, release the warrant and let us decide for ourselves.”

“By the way,” noted Richard Stengel, a former U.S. Under Secretary of State, “Trump now has the search warrant and the inventory of what was taken in his possession. If this raid was so egregious and unjustified, why not release them?”

“Trump can release the search warrant and the inventory of what the FBI took. Why hasn’t he?” asked Marc Elias, the DNC’s top attorney who successfully fought more than 60 cases of alleged election fraud brought by the Trump team and his supporters.

Former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti, responding to a Fox News tweet with video of Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) that reads, “‘WE DESERVE ANSWERS NOW'” wrote: “Some of those questions could be answered if Trump released the search warrant as well as the inventory of items seized, which his team presumably has.”

Politico’s Kyle Cheney tweeting his article titled, “Why the Trump search warrant is nothing like Hillary’s emails,” wrote: “One person who could clear most of it up? Trump. He has access to the inventory of records at Mar-a-Lago and likely received a copy of the search warrant. He would also know the nature of the classified documents at issue.”

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Trump admin was so worried about classified info it referred 334 cases to DOJ for prosecution: report



Donald Trump and his most fervent supporters have freaked out after FBI agents executed a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago, but when he was in office he took a far different view on classified information.

When he announced the FBI action, Trump said "these are dark times" and claimed it was "political persecution" that he was reportedly under investigation for mishandling classified information.

"The FBI search really is evidence of a leak investigation — perhaps the biggest in history," James Risen reported for The Intercept. "But in legal terms, the case doesn’t appear that different from the many leak investigations that Trump’s own Justice Department aggressively prosecuted throughout his time in office"

Risen, who won the 2006 Pulitzer Prize for national reporting at The New York Times, waged a seven-year battle that started in the George W. Bush administration after the DOJ attempted to force him to reveal a source. Risen ultimately prevailed.

"In fact, Trump put enormous pressure on the Justice Department to pursue leaks of classified information while he was president, usually related to negative disclosures in the press about him," Risen reported. "Many of the people charged in cases involving leaks of classified information during the Trump administration came in connection to disclosures in the press about Trump or Russia, or both. The Intercept reported last year that the Trump administration had referred a record of at least 334 leaks of classified information to the Justice Department for criminal investigation."

Despite the hypocrisy, Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) and Matt Gaetz (R-FL) have called for Republicans to "totally gut" and defund the FBI.

Republicans escalated their rhetoric after the FBI also served a search warrant to seize the cell phone of Rep. Scott Perry (R-PA).

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'It's going down': CNN legal analyst thinks latest DOJ moves show indictment of Trump is 'imminent'



CNN legal analyst Joey Jackson on Wednesday said that the Department of Justice's latest maneuverings show that former President Donald Trump and his allies are in deep legal jeopardy.

In discussing this week's FBI search of Mar-a-Lago on Monday, Jackson expressed skepticism that the search was solely about Trump improperly holding onto classified documents.

"The notion that it simply dealt with declassified documents, I think, would be misleading," he said. "I think there is a lot more here that we have to connect the dots to. Is there any information in there with respect to January 6th that would further the notion of what he was doing, who he was communicating with, any documents centered around that? So, you know, the fact is that we are in unchartered waters here, right?"

Jackson then said that he would be surprised to see the DOJ take such an aggressive step unless it planned to criminally charge Trump.

"I think the issue here is that indictment -- and I will say it -- I think it's imminent as it relates to the president," he said. "Look at the timing and everything else. I think he is in trouble, I think Jeffrey Clark, John Eastman, perhaps Mr. Giuliani -- it's going down, as they say."

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Trump allies scrambling to figure out if someone 'flipped' on him ahead of FBI search: report



A new report from Axios claims that allies of former President Donald Trump are worried that an inside source gave the Department of Justice information about the documents he was storing in Mar-a-Lago.

According to the publication's sources, "Trumpworld is abuzz with speculation about which close aide or aides has "flipped" and provided additional sensitive information to the FBI about what former President Trump was keeping at Mar-a-Lago."

The report goes on to state that the atmosphere of "mistrust and paranoia" in Trump's inner circle has only "intensified" in the wake of the raid.

While it's not known what the DOJ was seeking with the search of Mar-a-Lago, multiple reports have claimed that DOJ lawyers had been in talks with Trump representatives about his retention of classified documents.

The question remains as to why the DOJ decided to execute a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago this week specifically, which has led to speculation that an inside source may have tipped them off to new evidence about the materials Trump was keeping in his private residence.

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Trump pleads the 5th to New York AG after saying only mobsters do that



Donald Trump said Wednesday that he refused to answer questions while appearing in a New York attorney general's civil probe into alleged fraud at the Trump Organization.

According to a statement posted to his social media site, Trump asserted his Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination when speaking under oath.

"I once asked, 'If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?' Now I know the answer to that question," Trump said in the statement.

"I declined to answer the questions under the rights and privileges afforded to every citizen under the United States Constitution," Trump added.

He went on to repeat claims of a "witch hunt" and spent several paragraphs issuing an attack against the attorney general, Letitia James, who, he said, is only attacking him because of politics.

Trump is being investigated over allegations that he artificially inflated the size and value of his properties, which resulted in the value of properties being greater than the actual value when applying for additional capital or bank loans.

When he applied for tax breaks, documents obtained by reporter David Fahrenthold showed that he deflated the size of properties and buildings from the bank loans. At the same time, many members of Trump's staff were given gifts like cars, and homes in Trump Tower or family members were hired or given perks.

“You see the mob takes the Fifth,” he once said publicly. “If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

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« Reply #5685 on: August 10, 2022, 10:03:23 PM »
You can't make this stuff up. Radical QAnon extremist Marjorie Taylor Greene is selling shirts to defund the FBI.

The radical right has gone even more extreme.


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Trump ridiculed for pleading the Fifth: 'This is exactly what the AG was hoping to achieve'



Former President Donald Trump pleaded the Fifth in a civil lawsuit looking into the Trump Organization in New York state. It was a revelation that comes after years of Trump claiming that only mobsters plead their Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.

Trump previously stated that only guilty people use their Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination.

“You see the mob takes the Fifth,” Trump said in a speech. “If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

During a presidential debate with former Secretary Hillary Clinton, Trump claimed, "When you have your staff taking the Fifth Amendment — taking the Fifth, so they're not prosecuted. When you have the man that set up the illegal server taking the Fifth, I think it's disgraceful."

Speaking to the New York Attorney General on Wednesday morning, however, his opinions changed.

"I recall Donald once stating only criminals plead the fifth. I agree…only criminals plead the fifth!" former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen told Raw Story.

Lawyers Tristan Snell and Andrew Weissmann both noted that because the New York Attorney General is doing a civil case into Trump, the fact that he pleaded the Fifth is a bit of information that the court can use to assume there's liability involved on his part. He said that it was something that Attorney General Letitia James actually was hoping for.

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Mar-a-Lago has 100 rooms — and the FBI would still be searching if they didn't have an informant: ex-prosecutor

The sprawling logistics at Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort are yet another indication that the FBI may have an informant inside his operation.

On Wednesday, The Wall Street Journal reported that "someone familiar with the stored papers told investigators there may be still more classified documents at the private club after the National Archives retrieved 15 boxes earlier in the year, people familiar with the matter said."

The 20-acre complex is sprawling.

"It was built in 1927 and had 58 bedrooms, 33 bathrooms and three bomb shelters," USA Today reported Tuesday. "It also had a 1,800-square-foot living room, 1,500-square-foot dining room, a theater, a 75-foot tower, 36,000 antique Spanish tiles and a nine-hole golf course."

The size of the resort could provide important clues, former federal prosecutor Elie Honig explained on CNN.

"I will tell you the one thing that separates the best cops, law enforcement agents, FBI agents from the rest is how good their informant network is," Honig said. "That's how you learn things, that's how you get inside of these organizations."

"And it's really not a surprise because I saw reporting earlier from Tom Foreman saying that Mar-a-Lago is 100 rooms and these are glitzy rooms with all sorts of chandeliers and closets and all that," Honig noted. "They would still be searching that today -- I mean that not hyperbolically — they would still be searching today if they did not know where to look."

"And so it's not at all surprising they had specific information, 'look here,' got what they needed, and out in a few hours," Honig concluded.

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Intel expert: Trump will suffer paranoia as he hunts for Mar-a-Lago mole because he has ‘no one to trust’



Donald Trump may have trust issues in his marriage as he seeks to find out the mole who reportedly was instrumental in the FBI search warrant executed at Mar-a-Lago on Monday.

On Wednesday, The Wall Street Journal reported that following a June meeting with the FBI at Mar-a-Lago, "someone familiar with the stored papers told investigators there may be still more classified documents at the private club after the National Archives retrieved 15 boxes earlier in the year, people familiar with the matter said."

Following the report, prominent conservative attorney George Conway wondered on Twitter, "Who is CI-1?"

Under standard abbreviation in a federal court filing, "CI-1" would refer to the first "confidential information" mentioned, with subsequent CIs receiving subsequent numbers.

Peter Strzok, who served as deputy assistant FBI director running the counterintelligence division responded to Conway, wondering "And -2? And -3?"

Strzok posted a photo of legendary CIA counterintelligence official James Angelton, who was the top Russian spy hunter for two decades during the cold war.

"So much paranoia in a mole hunt, no one to trust, so much to do, so much to lose, so many walls closing in so fast," Strzok explained.

He noted it also "might be Melanie" Trump, the former president's third wife who spent four years as his first lady.

Conway added, "If there's probable cause for a physical search, there could be probable cause to intercept electronic communications and phone calls."

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Far-Right Extremists Are Violently Threatening the Trump Search-Warrant Judge
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Here's the 'near-identical script' Republicans are using to reframe Trump investigation as a war on America



On Wednesday, People Magazine published an analysis of the "near-identical scripts" of talking points Republicans are using in the wake of the FBI search warrant at former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago country club in Palm Beach, Florida — and how it is all designed to deflect any possibility the investigation is legitimate and frame it as tyranny or a war on America.

"A number of talking points are being echoed in far-right groups following news that Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago home was visited by FBI agents executing a federal search warrant on Monday," said the report. "Some Republican officials, as well as conservative outlets like Fox News, are offering up near-identical descriptions of the search."

Among the phrases commonly used are "banana republic," used by politicians like Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) and Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO); "civil war," used by Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) and a flood of Trump supporters on social media; "Department of Injustice," also used by Boebert; the idea that the FBI search warrant was a "raid," used by Greene and in fundraising emails by the Republican National Committee; and the idea that the FBI is President Joe Biden's "Gestapo," used by Boebert, Sen. Rick Scott (R-FL), and Steve Bannon.

In reality, the warrant — part of an investigation into classified documents that were improperly removed as Trump and his allies departed the White House — was independently approved by a federal magistrate judge, and there is no evidence Biden even had knowledge of it.

Trump himself has lashed out at the probe, calling it "political targeting at the highest level" and a "Witch Hunt" — identical language that he used to disparage the Mueller investigation and both impeachment investigations.

Notably, Trump and his officials are also refusing to release a copy of the FBI's warrant, which — while it likely wouldn't reveal all the details of why the FBI is investigating him — would at least give more insight into what the FBI was searching for.

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https://people.com/politics/unpacking-far-right-terminology-aiming-to-discredit-federal-investigation-into-trump/


Trump 'has a snitch in his midst' who led the FBI to the documents: Watergate prosecutor



On Wednesday's edition of MSNBC's "The ReidOut," Watergate prosecutor Nick Akerman analyzed the fear among allies of former President Donald Trump that a "snitch" might be cooperating with the FBI.

This comes amid an FBI search warrant being executed at Trump's Mar-a-Lago country club in Palm Beach, Florida — which has led to an explosion of fury from Republican lawmakers and pundits, and has rank and file Trump supporters calling for civil war.

"Nick, one of the things that you're hearing from Trump world is that somebody ratted us out, right? There's a leak," said anchor Jason Johnson. "It means that somebody there is incentivized to tell the FBI hey, look, it's in the kitchen behind the knife, behind, you know, the statue, etcetera, etcetera. do you think the FBI's ability to go in and out fairly quickly and obtain these boxes was because they had a pretty good idea where they were to begin with because they had to get documentation before, or do you really think that somebody in Trump world perhaps under investigation for some other reason gave them this information and said, hey, if you turn left when you go to the second bathroom, I think you'll be interested in what you find under the cover?"

"Oh, I think somebody in Trump's world did give them information," said Akerman. "I mean, not only do you need probable cause that a crime was committed, you need probable cause that the evidence of the crime exists in Mar-a-Lago, and it has to be recent ... you know, this whole business with classified documents, we don't really know if that's what this was all about because the source on all of this are the Donald Trump people who were at Mar-a-Lago. I mean, this is not government sources."

"Certainly there had to be somebody who was an insider that basically directed the FBI agents as to where this was in order for this information not to be stated," continued Akerman. "It's got to be in the last 30 days, so Donald Trump probably does have a snitch in hits midst, and what we really don't know is what exactly they were looking for and what it is they seized. Now, Donald Trump has the ability to clear this up pretty quickly by turning over to the public the search warrant. That would give us the details of what they were looking for and where they were looking for it because where they were looking for it, if they knew it was in the safe. You don't put classified documents you're trying to steal, necessarily, in a safe. There are all kinds of things he could be using, and putting in the safe, and he also has the inventory of everything that was taken."

"If we had that information, we'd have a much better idea of what is going on, what was taken, why the search was done and what the purpose of it was," said Akerman. "I mean, all of this other stuff is exactly what the Trump people have been doing over the last year about claiming that the elect was stolen. It's the same nonsense that we've been listening to for the last four years."

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Donald Trump once said "I have the best words" but when given the opportunity to use them yesterday, he pleaded the fifth more than four hundred times.

 

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