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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5368 on: June 17, 2022, 12:27:56 AM »
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Trump was told Pence could not overturn election but still pressured him, panel hears



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former President Donald Trump pressured his vice president, Mike Pence, to overturn his 2020 election defeat despite being told repeatedly Pence had no authority to do so, aides to Pence told the congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol on Thursday.

Members of the Democratic-led House of Representatives select committee said Trump continued his pressure campaign even though he knew a violent mob of his supporters was threatening the Capitol as Pence and lawmakers met to formally certify President Joe Biden's victory in the November 2020 election.

The nine-member committee has used the first three of at least six public hearings expected this month to build a case that Trump's efforts to overturn his defeat amounted to illegal conduct, far beyond normal politics.

"Mike Pence said no. He resisted the pressure. He knew it was illegal. He knew it was wrong," Democratic Representative Bennie Thompson, the committee's chairperson, said. "That courage put him in tremendous danger."

Trump has repeatedly denied wrongdoing, while repeating his false accusations that he lost the election only because of widespread fraud that benefited the Democrat Biden. He and his supporters - including many Republican members of Congress - dismiss the Jan. 6 panel as a political witchhunt.

Marc Short, who was Pence's chief of staff, said in videotaped testimony that Pence told Trump "many times" that he did not have the authority to stop the vote certification in Congress as the Republican president sought.

Gregory Jacob, Pence's counsel, said the main proponent of that theory, outside lawyer John Eastman, admitted in front of Trump two days before the attack that his plan to have Pence halt the procedure would violate the law.

Trump's accountability for the Jan. 6 riot is "incidental to his responsibility and accountability for his attempt to steal the 2020 presidential election from the American people," retired U.S. Appeals Court Judge J. Michael Luttig told the committee.

"It is breathtaking that these arguments even were conceived, let alone entertained by the president of the United States at that perilous moment in history," Luttig, who was an informal adviser to Pence, said.

The committee played chilling video showing some of the Trump supporters in the crowds of thousands of people who descended on the Capitol baying for Pence to be pulled out of the building, or hanged.

'COURAGE'

Committee members said Trump's comments against Pence fueled their anger.

"You'll also hear that the president knew there was a violent mob at the Capitol when he tweeted at 2:24 pm that the Vice President did not have the quote, 'courage' to do what needed to be done," said Democratic Representative Pete Aguilar, a committee leading questioning of the witnesses.

The certification on Jan. 6 had become a focus for Trump, who saw it as a last-ditch chance to retain the presidency despite his loss at the polls. His supporters flocked to Washington to rally with the Republican president, who had made repeated false claims that the election was stolen through widespread voting fraud. They stormed the Capitol, attacked police and sent Pence and lawmakers fleeing for their safety.

Pence did not follow Trump's instructions to scrap the certification of votes.

The hearing also examined the emergence of a plan advocated by Trump associates including attorney John Eastman that Pence could unilaterally reject certified electors from certain states where results had been challenged. Pence refused to accept that theory.

Separately, Representative Bennie Thompson, the committee's Democratic chairperson, told reporters on Thursday that the committee should ask Virginia "Ginni" Thomas, wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, to testify.

Thomas' involvement in conservative politics and reported ties to people involved with Trump's challenge to the election outcome have raised questions about whether her husband should recuse himself from Supreme Court decisions related to such matters.

Pence said in February that Trump, under whom he served as vice president for four years, was wrong to believe that Pence had the power to reverse the election's outcome.

"I had no right to overturn the election," Pence told an audience in Florida. The committee played a video of him saying so during its first public hearing on Thursday night.

The attack on the Capitol delayed certification of the election for hours, injured more than 140 police officers and led to several deaths. More than 840 people have been arrested and charged so far.

The onslaught marked the only time in U.S. history that power was not passed peacefully from one president to another.

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« Reply #5369 on: June 17, 2022, 12:25:08 PM »
Legal expert: Liz Cheney just provided 'key evidence' for another charge against Trump



At the top of the third day of public hearings for the House Select Committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on Congress, Vice-Chair Liz Cheney (R-WY) made a short statement that might provide evidence that could be used against former president Donald Trump.

Ryan Goodman, former special counsel to the Department of Defense, cited 18 US §1512, which makes it illegal to corruptly obstruct an official congressional proceeding.

Former general counsel to the vice president, Greg Jacob, testified under oath that on Jan. 4, John Eastman admitted in front of Trump that he knew it would be illegal for Pence to try and stop the certification of the election. Goodman described it as "key evidence" in a tweet.

"It's not required to establish criminal liability under 18 USC § 1512," Goodman added. "President Trump could have thought Pence had legal authority, and could be liable being aware he'd lost the election (@BarbMcQuade analysis) or by using rioters to obstruct (@KPNatsFan analysis)."

Eastman, who authored the so-called "coup memo" outlined the legal argument for Pence to oppose the certification of the 2020 election. Yet, Cheney pointed to emails that Eastman sent, saying that the plot wasn't legal. His admission to that fact in front of the president ensures that Trump knew that his effort to stop the count on Jan. 6 was an illegal one, but he pushed forward anyway.

The committee has already revealed testimony from many of Trump's closest allies who said he was told repeatedly he'd lost a fair fight to Biden but declared victory and pushed his election fraud narrative anyway.

As dozens of legal challenges dismissed as inept and ethically suspect failed in courts across the land, a desperate Trump turned to Pence for illegal help.

Trump used rally speeches and Twitter to exert intense pressure on Pence to abuse his position as president of the Senate to reject the election results as they were being ratified on January 6.

"We're going to show that that pressure campaign directly contributed to the attack on the Capitol, and it puts the vice president's life in danger," a select committee aide said.

During his "Stop the Steal" rally ahead of the joint session of the House and Senate to ratify the election, Trump mentioned Pence numerous times as he told his supporters to march on the Capitol and "fight like hell."

But Pence wrote to Congress that the Founding Fathers never intended the vice president to have "unilateral authority" to overturn election counts, adding that "no vice president in American history has ever asserted such authority."

The mob whipped up by Trump threatened to hang Pence for failing to cooperate as they stormed the Capitol, and even erected a gallows in front of the building.

Cheney said last week that when the subject of the "hang Mike Pence" chants came up at the White House, Trump responded: "Maybe our supporters have the right idea" and that Pence "deserves" it.

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« Reply #5370 on: June 17, 2022, 12:46:04 PM »
The key 30 minutes that could result in incitement charges against Trump



CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin on Thursday explained the legal significance of a critical 30-minute period during the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.

CNN's Wolf Blitzer interviewed Toobin following the latest televised hearing by the House Select Committee Investigating the Jan. 6 Attack on the U.S. Capitol.

"How significant is it that Trump was repeatedly told that his plan to overturn the presidential election was illegal?" Blitzer asked.

"Not only that, but the -- the real issue, I think, in terms of the president's potential criminal liability goes to the issue of incitement of violence," he explained. "And the half-hour between 2:00 and 2:30 is critical. That is when the Capitol is breeched. That's when his aides go to him and say, you know, you got to do something to cool this out, this is -- this is dangerous and what is the president do? At 2:24, he sends the tweet that Kaitlin [Collins] mentioned, which doesn't cool things out. It does the opposite, it incites the crowd to -- to attack Mike Pence, to -- to hang Mike Pence and the jeopardy only gets worse."

"That, to me -- that 2:24 tweet -- is evidence of incitement. Now, will it is enough for a criminal case? I don't know. There is a lot more we have to know but that is a very dangerous moment," Toobin says.

Although Trump's Twitter account was deleted when he was permanently suspended from the social media platform for inciting violence, the American Presidency Project at the University of California Santa Barbara has a public archive of Trump's tweets on Jan. 6.

"Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!" Trump tweeted at 2:24.

Trump's final tweet on Jan. 6 came after 11 p.m.

"These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!" Trump urged.

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« Reply #5371 on: June 17, 2022, 01:32:43 PM »
WATCH: Proud Boys would have killed Pence if they found him, Rep. Aguilar says, citing informant

Rep. Pete Aguilar, D-Calif., said on June 16 that a court filing indicated that an informant from the Proud Boys, a far-right extremist group, would have killed former Vice President Mike Pence during the Jan. 6 Capitol attack, if given the chance.

The informant “said that anyone they got their hands on they would've killed, including [House Speaker] Nancy Pelosi.”
As Pence was being evacuated, he and his entourage came within 40 feet of the rioters, Aguilar said.

As Pence was being evacuated, he and his entourage came within 40 feet of the rioters, Aguilar said.
Greg Jacob, Pence’s lawyer, said he was unaware at the time at how close rioters were to the vice president during the Capitol attack.

“I could hear the rioters in the building while we moved, but I do not think I was aware that they were as close as that,” Jacob said.

The hearing was the third of several planned by the Jan. 6 committee that focused on Trump’s efforts to pressure former Vice President Mike Pence to reject Congress' official count of Electoral College votes on the day of the attack. In the year since its creation, the committee has conducted more than 1,000 interviews, seeking critical information and documents from people witness to, or involved in, the violence that day. The committee postponed a hearing scheduled for June 15 that was meant to focus on Trump's efforts to replace Attorney General Bill Barr, who did not support his claims of voter fraud after the election.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5372 on: June 17, 2022, 01:58:58 PM »
Another right wing conspiracy has been debunked.

Right wingers continue to lie about President Biden making us "dependent on oil and energy from foreign countries" when Biden's own platform was to get us off foreign dependency.

The right makes the absurd lie that the United States was "energy independent" under Trump and all of a sudden magically in one and a half years, Biden made us "dependent on energy". In fact, these liars were trying to say that last year. Nothing of that magnitude can happen that fast which makes their conspiracy a total joke.

The right continues to lie accusing Biden of not drilling for oil in the United States when in fact permits has increased under Biden but Big Oil refuses to use those permits to drill because they are making BILLIONS in profits by not drilling.

So the next time you this garbage from the right you know it's another conspiracy to falsely attack Biden.             


U.S. oil and gas permitting has increased under Biden, data shows



Ever since Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24, Republican politicians, conservative pundits and fossil fuel industry leaders have accused President Biden of weakening the U.S.’s economic power against Russia by reducing oil and gas production.

Last week, for example, Sen. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., said, “Joe Biden has given up the best defense we had against [Russian President Vladimir] Putin’s evil vision for the world — energy independence.”

But a data dashboard unveiled Wednesday by the Center for Western Priorities shows that the opposite is true. The federal government has been issuing oil and gas drilling permits more willingly than it did during President Donald Trump’s first three years in office, and it could be issuing even more if the oil and gas industry weren’t leaving many current leases undeveloped.

Right now, the industry is sitting on 9,173 approved but unused drilling permits on federal and tribal lands. This is mystifying to some observers, who note that filing for those permits has already cost operators more than $10,000 each. The permits also expire after two years, with only one extension allowed. More than 26 million acres of federal land — an area comparable to the size of Kentucky — are currently under lease for oil and gas drilling. Of that, slightly more than half — 13.9 million acres, equivalent to the size of West Virginia — are not being used.

Despite Biden’s stated desire to combat climate change by reducing American dependence on fossil fuels that cause global warming, his administration has readily approved oil and gas drilling permit applications.

“The Interior Department, the Bureau of Land Management, under both Biden and Trump, essentially operates as a rubber stamp,” said Jesse Prentice-Dunn, policy director for the Center for Western Priorities at a data presentation on Wednesday afternoon.

In fiscal year 2021, 98 percent of drilling permit applications were approved. So far this year, 96 percent of permit applications have been approved. During fiscal year 2020, the last year of the Trump administration, the approval rate was 94 percent. In terms of raw numbers, more drilling permits were approved during Biden’s first year in office than in any of Trump’s first three years.

“This is not some situation where the Biden administration and the Trump administration were treating permits all that differently,” Prentice-Dunn said. “Obviously, [it’s] to the dismay of environmentalists, but they’re still approving permits.”

This would seem to contradict claims made by people such as American Petroleum Institute (API) president Mike Sommers, who wrote on the day Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine that “the administration continues to block U.S. energy production.”

“Over the last two weeks, the oil and gas industry has mounted a PR campaign in an attempt to loosen regulations and open more public lands for drilling, while sitting on a massive stockpile of approved but unused drilling permits that are ready to go right now, as well as thousands of idle leases for future drilling,” said Jennifer Rokala, executive director of the Center for Western Priorities, during Wednesday’s presentation.

The oil industry hasn’t ramped up production enough to keep pace with surging demand and higher prices as the economy has rebounded from the pandemic-induced recession. Historically, the number of U.S. oil rigs has tracked closely behind oil prices, as producers respond to market signals. Since the summer of 2020, however, crude oil prices have shot up to well above pre-pandemic levels, but the number of oil rigs remains below their 2019 level. Industry observers say oil companies are protecting profits for investors — which surge when prices rise — rather than expanding supply.

“Oil companies have pulled back pretty hard in the last year and a half, even as they’ve climbed out of the pandemic drop in activity,” Brad Handler, a researcher at the Colorado School of Mines and a former Wall Street research analyst covering oil drilling, said during Wednesday’s presentation. “So, as we look at 2022, what the companies have announced to their investors is that that capital discipline will continue, even though it’s becoming more and more obvious to them that oil prices have some substance underneath them and oil and gas prices are not going to simply fall very quickly.”

Biden seemingly referred to this phenomenon on Tuesday when he said, during an announcement of a ban on importation of Russian oil, “Russia’s aggression is costing us all, and it’s no time for profiteering or price gouging.”

The oil industry contends that it is maximizing current potential output and that it is common to buy leases and file permit applications for areas where it is not yet ready to drill.

“We are at a two-decade high for the percentage of leases in production, with nearly two out of three leases producing natural gas and oil,” API senior vice president Frank Macchiarola said in a statement sent to Yahoo News via a spokesperson. “Leases are issued prior to exploration, and not every acreage of leased land has resources to tap into, despite substantial investments by developers.”

Environmental organizations counter that assertion by noting that since the U.S. is actually a net exporter of oil and gas — though one that is vulnerable to price shocks — the only effective long-term strategy for energy security is to reduce dependence on fossil fuels. Biden has a proposal, passed by the House of Representatives but sitting in the Senate, where it faces unified opposition from Republicans, that within five years would reduce U.S. oil consumption by more than the amount it has been importing from Russia.

On a press call Tuesday, a senior Biden administration official gave no indication that the White House is rethinking its long-term commitment to transitioning to renewable energy, but they did call for oil companies to alleviate short-term pain at the pump by increasing output.

“It's a time for oil and gas companies to work with Wall Street to unleash our productive capacity,” said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “We need our domestic oil and gas industry to use their leases, use their permits, use financing from Wall Street to respond to price signals and continue increasing their production."

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« Reply #5373 on: June 17, 2022, 03:03:38 PM »
Mary Trump says her uncle was ‘handing down a death sentence’ with his 2:24 tweet against Mike Pence



Psychologist Mary Trump said her uncle, Donald Trump, sought to execute his own vice president on Jan. 6 as he sought to stay in office despite losing the 2020 presidential election to Joe Biden.

She was interviewed by MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell on Thursday following another televised hearing by the House Select Committee Investigating the Jan. 6 Attack on the U.S. Capitol.

She told him, "what people need to understand is that Donald Trump doesn't believe that he should be denied anything he wants," she said. "And when somebody who showed himself as weak sycophantic as Mike Pence has the audacity -- has the temerity -- to stand up to him, Donald isn't going to take it well."

"So, that, I believe, was probably the first moment that Donald started think, wait a minute, I may not be getting my way as easily as I believe I should," she explained. "And it probably sent everybody in that room into a full-out panic."

She also discussed the tweet Trump sent at 2:24 p.m. eastern time on Jan. 6, 2021.

"Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!" Trump tweeted.

Mary Trump offered her analysis of the tweet even shocking Trump's staff.

"So, yes, I guess they were shocked by the fact that he finally crossed that line. In fact, one person said that when he most needed to be a moderating influence, he put gasoline on the fire. I think we need to be more explicit, what he was doing was handing down a death sentence," she said.

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« Reply #5374 on: June 17, 2022, 03:44:36 PM »
New York Times video blows the lid off Proud Boys' 'central role' in inciting Capitol mob



The New York Times published a 17-minute video showing how the Proud Boys coordinated the assault on the U.S. Capitol.

The newspaper compiled evidence from court documents, text messages and hundreds of videos shot by participants to show the right-wing militant group instigating multiple breaches of the Capitol as lawmakers certified the election of Joe Biden.

Five members of the group -- Joe Biggs, Ethan Nordean, Enrique Tarrio, Dominic Pezzola and Zachary Rehl -- are charged with seditious conspiracy for their roles in the attack, and the video shows some of them explicitly laying out their plan to storm the Capitol and overturn Donald Trump's election loss.

"This time we're not going to be wearing the colors that you're used to seeing us in," Biggs says in a video recorded before the riot. "Nope, this time myself and other leadership have decided we're going to go incognito. We're going to be blending in ... you aren't going to know who the f*** is standing beside you. Could be Antifa, could be me."

The House Select Committee singled out Biggs in the first public hearing as the lead instigator of the first breach of Capitol security, and federal prosecutors have alleged that he and other Proud Boys leaders coordinated the assault with members of the right-wing Oath Keepers militia.

"I want to see thousands of normies burn that city to ash today," said one unindicted co-conspirator, according to court records highlighted by the Times.

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« Reply #5375 on: June 18, 2022, 01:00:40 PM »
Judge Luttig: US headed for ‘protracted democratic instability’ unless GOP finally disqualifies Trump



A deeply conservative former judge who testified before the House select committee warned that Republicans must withdraw their support for Donald Trump to save democracy.

Former federal judge J. Michael Luttig told the select committee that Trump and his allies were openly plotting to steal another election, and he said U.S. democracy was at a “perilous crossroads" -- and he's not alone in his fears of coming political instability, reported the Washington Post.

"The foreboding expressed by Luttig and others is shared by experts who study democratic breakdown," wrote Post columnist Greg Sargent. "When Luttig says we’re at a 'perilous crossroads,' and says only Republicans can 'bring an end' to the threat, he’s not alone."

Steven Levitsky and Lucan Way, professors of government and politics, recently warned the U.S. was heading into an "age of instability," which they said was not a civil war but more of a smoldering conflict like "the Troubles" in Ireland.

“Such a scenario would be marked by frequent constitutional crises, including contested or stolen elections,” they wrote. "This portends 'heightened political violence, they suggested, including assassinations, bombings and violent confrontations in the streets, 'often tolerated and even incited by politicians.'"

The professors and Luttig all agreed that Republicans must take decisive action against Trump and his allies who conspired to illegally overturn his election loss, and they the GOP must purge themselves of "authoritarian forces" to save democracy.

“It would make all the difference in the world,” Levitsky said, adding that Republicans must send a message to their own. “This is beyond the pale. We don’t do this in America.”

Luttig agreed, saying GOP elites must forcefully denounce pro-coup candidates and disqualify Trump from running again.

"If they don’t, Luttig told me, he agrees America may be headed for a period of 'protracted democratic instability,'" Sargent wrote.

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