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« Reply #4683 on: February 20, 2022, 12:33:17 AM »
'Linguistics detectives' claim they've confirmed the identity of QAnon's founders



According to a report from the New York Times, two teams of "linguistic detectives" have arrived at the same conclusion pinpointing the founders of the conspiracy theory cult QAnon.

Noting that the QAnon phenomenon appears to have been kicked off on a popular online message board in 2017 with an ominous post reading "Open your eyes. Many in our govt worship Satan,” the report adds that Paul Furber, a South African software developer became the first "apostle" on the cult that later exploded and helped pave the way, in the long run, to the Capitol riot on Jan 6th.

As the Times reports, questions about who "Q" is has long bedeviled journalists, investigators and the public at large and now it appears that the answer is close at hand.

According to the Times' David Kirkpatrick, "... two teams of forensic linguists say their analysis of the Q texts show that Mr. Furber, one of the first online commentators to call attention to the earliest messages, actually played the lead role in writing them."

"Sleuths hunting for the writer behind Q have increasingly overlooked Mr. Furber and focused their speculation on another QAnon booster: Ron Watkins, who operated a website where the Q messages began appearing in 2018 and is now running for Congress in Arizona," the report adds. "And the scientists say they found evidence to back up those suspicions as well. Mr. Watkins appears to have taken over from Mr. Furber at the beginning of 2018. Both deny writing as Q."

Adding, "The studies provide the first empirical evidence of who invented the toxic QAnon myth," Kirkpatrick goes on to explain, "Computer scientists use machine learning to compare subtle patterns in texts that a casual reader could not detect. QAnon believers attribute this 2017 message to an anonymous military insider known as Q."

"The two analyses — one by Claude-Alain Roten and Lionel Pousaz of OrphAnalytics, a Swiss start-up; the other by the French computational linguists Florian Cafiero and Jean-Baptiste Camps — built on long-established forms of forensic linguistics that can detect telltale variations, revealing the same hand in two texts," the report continues.

According to mathematician Patrick Juola of Duquesne University, he thinks the two teams nailed it.

“What’s really powerful is the fact that both of the two independent analyses showed the same overall pattern,” he explained.

You can read in-depth details describing how they arrived at their conclusions here.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/19/technology/qanon-messages-authors.html

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4684 on: February 20, 2022, 02:30:43 AM »
Faux Propaganda stopped with the Durham conspiracy story because it’s so patently false it’s potentially illegal after Hillary called them out. Anyone still continuing with the ridiculous narrative that HRC “spied” on Donnie is actually dumber than Fox “news”. As I've said thousands of time before, Faux is nothing but lying propaganda. Clinton should sue them for defamation.     


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4685 on: February 20, 2022, 04:29:04 PM »
November is one day closer!  And so is 2024.  Biden's poll numbers continue to crater to historic lows.  Reaching the lowest point in his presidency.  And wait until Russia invades Ukraine and gas prices shoot up to over $5 per gallon since Old Joe decided to send us back to the 1970s.  Over 2K Americans are still dying every day from the virus.  Soon to reach one million deaths.  Let's go Brandeau!

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4686 on: February 20, 2022, 11:45:20 PM »
November is one day closer!  And so is 2024.  Biden's poll numbers continue to crater to historic lows.  Reaching the lowest point in his presidency.  And wait until Russia invades Ukraine and gas prices shoot up to over $5 per gallon since Old Joe decided to send us back to the 1970s.  Over 2K Americans are still dying every day from the virus.  Soon to reach one million deaths.  Let's go Brandeau!

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45% approve of President Biden’s performance in office.

42% Democratic candidate, 32% Republican candidate

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/half-americans-say-certain-to-vote-upcoming-midterms-021522
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4687 on: February 20, 2022, 11:47:58 PM »
'Trump will be indicted': Ex-prosecutor explains how 'justice is coming' for Trump family after NY ruling

Glenn Kirschner, a former prosecutor for the U.S. Army, insisted over the weekend that former President Donald Trump is one step closer to being indicted.

Kirschner made the remarks after New York Judge Arthur Engoron ruled last week that members of the Trump family will have to testify under oath regarding accusations that their company illegally inflated and deflated property valuations.

"This eight-page order is unlike anything I ever saw as a prosecutor in my 30 years," Kirschner said. "This was as candid and direct and ominous for Trump and company as anything I've ever seen a judge put in writing. The judge denied Trump's motion and said, no, you and your children -- Ivanka and Don Jr. -- will sit for depositions."

The former prosecutor pointed out that Trump will likely use the Fifth Amendment to shield himself from questions.

"It can be used against him in a civil trial but it cannot be used against him in a criminal case," Kirschner explained. "So Donald Trump will be indicted. I'm not sure which jurisdiction will indict him first but he will be indicted."

"Hold on tight, folks, because there's more to come," he added. "The investigative circle continues to tighten around Donald Trump. His days are numbered. We need to exercise patience because it's coming. It's coming. It's coming. It's not coming quickly enough but justice is coming."

Watch the video clip in link below:

https://www.rawstory.com/glenn-kirschner-donald-trump/

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« Reply #4688 on: February 21, 2022, 12:04:17 PM »
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« Reply #4689 on: February 21, 2022, 01:11:41 PM »
Judge allows ‘one-of-a-kind’ lawsuit against Donald Trump over Jan. 6 riot to proceed

WASHINGTON — East Bay Rep. Eric Swalwell can pursue his lawsuit to hold former President Donald Trump accountable for the violent insurrection at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, a judge held in a scathing ruling delivered Friday.

The potentially landmark decision, which the Trump team will all but certainly attempt to appeal to higher courts, would pave the way for an unprecedented civil trial of a former president for actions he took while in office. That could mean court-ordered inspection of Trump’s communications and actions leading up to, during and after the riot, and potentially a deposition of Trump under oath.

While some of Swalwell’s claims were rejected and the judge released other individuals from the lawsuit, including Trump’s son, Donald Trump Jr., and lawyer, Rudolph Giuliani, D.C. District Judge Amit Mehta issued a 112-page ruling declaring that Trump was not covered by presidential immunity or free speech protections enough to dismiss the lawsuit.

Swalwell said in a statement late Friday, “Judge Mehta’s ruling is a complete vindication of my claims against Donald Trump for inciting an attack against the Capitol. Trump led a conspiracy to violently interfere with the January 6 Joint Session of Congress. With this ruling, I will move forward to depose Donald Trump and seek all relevant evidence surrounding January 6.”

Mehta acknowledged the significance of his decision.

“To deny a President immunity from civil damages is no small step,” Mehta wrote. “The court well understands the gravity of its decision. But the alleged facts of this case are without precedent, and the court believes that its decision is consistent with the purposes behind such immunity.”

Calling it a “one-of-a-kind case,” Mehta dissected Trump’s speech on Jan. 6 and detailed how the president’s actions and words could be seen as inciting the crowd gathered near the Capitol to commit violence and as a conspiracy to disrupt lawmakers’ certification of the 2020 election results by force and intimidation.

“Only in the most extraordinary circumstances could a court not recognize that the First Amendment protects a President’s speech,” Mehta wrote. “But the court believes this is that case. Even Presidents cannot avoid liability for speech that falls outside the expansive reach of the First Amendment. The court finds that in this one-of-a-kind case the First Amendment does not shield the President from liability.”

“This is a big moment in the effort to hold former President Trump accountable for the events of Jan. 6,” said Jessica Levinson, a law professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. “Even though we have robust protection for political speech in our country, and even though presidents have significant protection for what they say and do in office, here we have a judge concluding that Trump’s speech could be viewed as ‘incitement to imminent lawless action.’”

If upheld, the ruling means that Swalwell’s suit, along with similar cases brought by a group of other primarily Black Democratic lawmakers, including Oakland Rep. Barbara Lee, and by Capitol Police officers, can proceed into a phase that would open up new investigative powers and potentially culminate in a trial. The lawsuits against the right-wing groups the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys will also proceed.

Swalwell and Lee, both in Europe on a congressional trip, were not immediately available to comment.

The crux of the lawsuit is a relatively novel use of the 1871 Ku Klux Klan Act that bars political intimidation and has never been applied in such a way. Swalwell and the other lawsuits also cite some D.C. laws and common law on assault, and the judge allowed arguments based on a few of those to proceed, as well.

Mehta did throw out some of Swalwell’s specific arguments, including one alleging Trump inflicted extreme emotional distress upon him, but the bulk of the lawsuit remains viable.

Mehta also indicated he would release Rep. Mo Brooks from the lawsuit if the Alabama Republican filed a motion to dismiss. Brooks had put forward a different legal argument that he was acting within his official capacity, which the judge sidestepped. He said he would dismiss the case against Brooks for the same reason he did so with Giuliani and Trump Jr. — that Swalwell and the others failed to argue plausibly enough that the three of them engaged in incitement and/or a conspiracy with the crowd to violently storm the Capitol.

But regarding the former president, Mehta laid out in excruciating detail how Trump plausibly knew he could invite violence with his words, and how his actions during and after the riot, including his tweets that day, seemed to ratify and endorse what was happening. He dismissed Trump’s arguments that he was merely making political statements.

“For months, the President led his supporters to believe the election was stolen,” Mehta wrote. “When some of his supporters threatened state election officials, he refused to condemn them. Rallies in Washington, D.C., in November and December 2020 had turned violent, yet he invited his supporters to Washington, D.C., on the day of the Certification. They came by the thousands. And, following a 75-minute speech in which he blamed corrupt and weak politicians for the election loss, he called on them to march on the very place where Certification was taking place.”

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Judge-allows-one-of-a-kind-lawsuit-against-16930732.php