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« Reply #4624 on: February 01, 2022, 12:46:55 AM »
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Confederate Flags, Conspiracies, and the Ghost of JFK Jr.: What I Saw at Trump’s Bananas Texas Rally
It’s part roadshow and part religious revival, but the show is a grift and the religion being revived is fascism




Conroe, Texas — The Donald Trump train made its second stop here this Saturday with a coterie of politicians, conspiracy theorists, and grifters in tow. It came on the heels of a Lara Trump rally in north Texas this past Thursday and just two weeks after a similar rally in Phoenix, Arizona. Meanwhile, six hours south at the border, the disgraced QAnon peddling general Michael Flynn and other far-right figures held an event at the exact same time followed up by a caravan to the border on Sunday. Texas Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller, who spoke at a QAnon conference in Dallas last July, was featured as a speaker at both events.

This confluence of events in Texas demonstrates the sort of far-right politics that is coalescing here: paranoid, obsessed with or tolerant of bigoted conspiracy theories, eager to appeal to violence, and convinced they’re fighting against a secret Marxist plot. If this sounds familiar, it’s because similar politics emerged during the Weimar period in Germany, were honed by the Nazis, and later trafficked into mainstream politics via the John Birch Society — one of the sponsors of the event at the border.

Dozens of politicians from across the state and country turned out for the rally, seeking to ride on Trump’s political coattails. Governor Greg Abbott, Lt. Governor Dan Patrick, Attorney General Ken Paxton, and State Senator Dawn Buckingham all spoke glowingly of Trump and touted their endorsements from the former president.

We were in one of the reddest counties in one of the reddest states, and it showed: When I arrived at the press check-in station, the first thing I saw was a merchandise vendor with a Confederate flag — the banner of a nation that lasted only 4 years before being routed out of existence — that says “Come And Take It.” It was set up directly across from a wooden cross.

Having attended the prior rally in Arizona and the Lara Trump event on Thursday, a twisted sense of deja vu came over me when I got into the venue and began to hear the same songs, watch the same videos, listen to the same speeches, and see the same people. There were many familiar faces — election conspiracy peddling MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell and the JFK Jr. obsessed QAnon cult leader Michael Protzman — and in some instances, near word for word repeats of previous events.

Trump opened the Houston rally in the exact same manner as he did in Arizona: saying it’s the biggest rally ever, that the media is fake, and that they won’t turn their cameras around to show the crowd size. He even repeated the false claim about a 29 mile long line of cars, but this time it was 30 miles long. The crowd began to jeer at the press. When I turned around to take a photo of the overflow crowd, someone flipped me off.

From inside the press pen I was able to observe Michael Protzman, aka Negative 48, and over one hundred of his followers secure prime seats directly to the left of the stage. The Protzmanians arrived over a day early and began lining up for the event the night before, just as they had in Arizona. The group was in rare form, dancing and singing together. They wore matching red ties and shirts depicting Donald Trump, JFK, and JFK Jr. Prior to the event, Protzman predicted to his group that who they would be seeing speak at the event was not actually Trump but JFK in disguise — a claim they’ve made before regarding the Rolling Stones concert in Dallas, Texas.

When I approached Protzman and asked him what he expected to see, he responded cryptically. “You never know,” he said, before bopping off to tend to his flock and dance with one of his lieutenants, Stephen Tenner, who at one point shook hands with Mike Lindell. As of late the Protzmanians have taken to compiling a variety of non-standard calendars to ensure they have every combination of possible dates to check against their “decoding” of the numerology. This is because none of their dates or predictions have panned out.

The entire scene — replete with more merch vendors than a Grateful Dead concert — made me think of the Church of Unlimited Devotion, the infamous subset of Deadheads who believed Jerry Garcia was the second coming of Jesus. One of the central claims of Protzman’s belief system sounds awfully similar: JFK is the second coming of Jesus Christ. They also traffick in fascist propaganda and Holocaust denial.

The Protzmanians, like the Church of Unlimited Devotion, are a relatively small sect. Neither are fully representative of the larger movements from which they emerged, but they demonstrate what can happen when magical thinking and cults of personality collide and provide us an understanding of how far some folks have fallen off the map. Even if only a little over 100 out of the thousands of people at the Trump rally truly believe that JFK Jr. is secretly alive or somehow related to Christ, many attendees seem to be willing to believe other things that aren’t true, like that refugee immigration from crisis-stricken countries is a part of a sinister Marxist plot or that murders have gone up one thousand and nine hundred percent.

This strain of political thought, particularly the notion of a secret Marxist plot, isn’t new in this country. The paranoid anti-communism of McCarthyism gave way to the John Birch Society, which has sought to mainstream its far-right ideology for decades. In Conroe, I witnessed the fruits of their labor. Hats and shirts for sale that simply say “God, Guns, and Trump” and speeches that I can only describe as full-blown Bircherism.

Without a hint of irony, Texas Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller said the upcoming elections are a race between “Patriots and Traitors,” suggesting that the side that isn’t on trial for seditious conspiracy is the traitorous one. Lt. Governor Dan Patrick said the election was stolen and that Marxists want to “take away the country from us.” Gov. Abbott made an abstruse comparison between Biden’s response to the Russian army at the Ukraine border to the Texas-Mexico border, doubling down on the idea that immigration is a part of a planned invasion. The crowd chanted “build that wall,” which Biden has continued to do in some parts.

When Trump finally took the stage after hours of patience, the temperature had dropped significantly. My toes were cold and my soles regretted the choice of cowboy boots. Trump repeated much of what he said in Arizona but mixed in some of his trademark stream of consciousness riffs to keep things fresh. Less than an hour into his speech, the crowd started to thin out. I’d heard it all before, so I decided to follow suit.

(Indeed, it was more than an hour into his rambling speech when Trump offered something new: teasing a 2024 presidential run and dangling pardons for Jan. 6 rioters if he retakes office.)

As I approached the main exit, Trump was talking about Hillary Clinton. “Lock her up!” the crowd chanted. A woman walking beside me said to no one in particular, “Clinton’s a witch, that’s why they’re never going to lock her up.”

And as I approached the parking lot by the nearby baseball fields where I’d parked, I overheard a conversation between two older women. “How does Trump expect us to stand around for five hours?” one said to the other, referring to the ban on any form of lawn chair at the event. “By the time he started talking, we were hurting.” For the first time all day, I agreed with what I was hearing.

Later that evening, I went back to a pizza place by my hotel about 40 minutes south of Conroe in an upscale suburb of Houston called The Woodlands. I got to chatting with my server, a young man with a ponytail and glasses. When I told him I’d been in Conroe, his eye twitched. He said he grew up in Conroe and that his eye had twitched for a reason. When I told him what I had seen there, he asked me if I wanted a free shot of whiskey. I wish I had asked for two.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-texas-rally-conspiracies-ghost-of-jfk-jr-1292592/

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« Reply #4625 on: February 01, 2022, 12:49:39 AM »
He Spent 25 Years Infiltrating Nazis, the Klan, and Biker Gangs
Scott was a top undercover agent for the FBI, putting himself in harm's way dozens of times. Now, he’s telling his story for the first time to sound the alarm about the threat of far-right extremists in America

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4626 on: February 01, 2022, 12:55:33 AM »
Nazis and other far right wing hate groups are Donald Trump's base. We must defeat this hate and these Nazis who are trying to take over America. Trump called these thugs "very fine people".   

Nazi rallies in Central Florida spark outrage
Orlando mayor, Orange County sheriff condemn hateful demonstrations


ORLANDO, Fla. – More than a dozen self-proclaimed Nazis yelled antisemitic slogans outside a Central Florida shopping plaza and waved a swastika flag from a highway overpass before authorities broke them up over the weekend.

The demonstrators, wearing Nazi garb, protested at an intersection at Waterford Lakes near the University of Central Florida on Saturday and on a highway overpass on Sunday. Authorities from the Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles and the Florida Highway Patrol said in a statement that they had disbanded the group on the overpass, along with sheriff’s deputies.

“It is against the law to obstruct highway traffic or hang signs on the overpasses and violators will be prosecuted,” according to the statement.

Orange County Sheriff John Mina said any reports of criminal activity by the group would be investigated by his agency. Orange County is home to the nation’s biggest theme park resorts.

“The investigation is ongoing and if detectives determine a crime was committed, they can file the charges at large with the state attorney’s office,” an Orange County sheriff’s spokeswoman told News 6.

“I along with the Orange County Sheriff’s Office deplore any type of hate speech,” Mina tweeted. “This hatred has no place in our society.”

Video of the demonstration at Waterford Lakes was shared on social media and is a part of the Orange County Sheriff’s Office investigation.

U.S. Sen. Rick Scott, Democratic Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer and other elected leaders issued statements declaring that antisemitism and hatred have no place in Florida. The demonstrations took place a week after antisemitic flyers were distributed to hundreds of homes in Florida cities with large Jewish populations.

Despite displays of hate in Central Florida this weekend, our collective commitment to building an inclusive, compassionate community for all is stronger than ever,” Dyer said in a tweet.

Local Democratic lawmakers said they were appalled by the demonstrations and urged Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis to condemn the demonstrators. The governor’s spokeswoman, Christina Pushaw, said in a tweet that Democrats were insinuating that DeSantis’ policies were responsible for the demonstration.

The governor “has ALWAYS condemned antisemitic attacks & hatred, and he always will,” Pushaw tweeted. “To suggest otherwise is just plain wrong.”

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https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2022/01/31/nazi-rallies-in-central-florida-spark-outrage/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4627 on: February 01, 2022, 01:14:24 AM »
Failed Florida Governor Ron DeSantis (people call him DeFascist) refuses to condemn Nazis infiltrating Orlando, Florida. He's just another Republican who refuses to condemn hate groups and Nazis because that despicable element is his voting base. So he says nothing and allows Nazis to continue to spread hate and infiltrate our American cities. We defeated Nazis in World War II and these right wing Republicans like DeSantis want them to return wreaking havoc and violence. Another reason why the GOP will be defeated in a landslide. Nazis have no place in America and cowards like DeSantis and Trump have given them a platform.     

Florida governor DeSantis under fire for refusal to condemn Orlando neo-Nazi rallies
Spokesperson for governor questions whether demonstrators waving swastikas and yelling ‘Heil Hitler’ at Jews were actual Nazis — and not Democrats trying to make him look bad




Antisemitic rallies were held near Orlando, Florida, on Saturday and Sunday, with some two dozen people in neo-Nazi gear waving swastikas, stomping on Israeli flags, and yelling antisemitic epithets at passersby.

While various officials in the state condemned the protest, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis came under fire as his spokesperson expressed doubt over whether the demonstrators were actually antisemitic, and raised the possibility that they were in fact Democrats trying to make the governor look bad.

In videos and pictures shared on social media, the demonstrators can be seen waving Nazi flags and banners, calling someone filming them a “devil” and a “f****ng kike” and making Nazi salutes.

A video of the Orlando rally that spread on social media on Monday showed protesters standing on a highway overpass in front of banners of swastikas. One audibly yells “Heil Hitler.”

Another video showed the demonstrators attacking a passerby in his car.

The rallies were held near the campus of Central Florida University, which has a large Jewish student body, and near Disney World.

The Orlando Sentinel reported that the group shouted other antisemitic slurs, and an array of Florida officials, including Republican Senator Rick Scott and Democratic House Rep. Val Demings, condemned the gathering

“Anti-semitism and hatred are not welcome in this community,” Orlando mayor Buddy Dyer said in a tweeted statement.

However, a spokesperson for DeSantis declined to speak out against the rallies, saying that they may be liberal plants, in a since-deleted tweet.

“Do we even know they are Nazis,” Christina Pushaw wrote, according to Floridapolitics.com.

Despite deleting the tweet, she continued to retweet those who agreed with that position, and she later stuck to her guns, telling Newsweek that she only deleted the tweet “because it was attracting trolls and abuse."

While she tweeted that DeSantis would always condemn hatred and antisemitism, she indicated that she did not know what the “National Socialist Movement” is and was waiting for law enforcement to investigate, while fending off what she said were attempts to tie DeSantis to the rallies.

“In my tweet, I deferred to law enforcement to determine who was behind the protest, because frankly, I didn’t know anything about the group. But I can guarantee it wasn’t the governor. Attempts to tie the protest to his policies are disgusting political smears,” she said.

Among those to condemn Pushaw was Fred Guttenberg, an anti-gun campaigner, whose daughter was killed in the Parkland school shooting.

The Florida rallies were not the only antisemitic incidents in the United States over the weekend.

On Sunday afternoon, a Jewish school and synagogue in Chicago’s West Ridge neighborhood were vandalized.

Debra Silverstein, a local alderman whose office is located next to the synagogue, said police were still investigating the incidents. “No official pronouncement has been made on a possible motive, but these have all the hallmarks of hate-based crimes,” she said.

In Washington, DC, police arrested a 34-year-old man named Geraldo Pando, who was suspected of spraypainting several swastikas around the entrance to Union Station, an Amtrak station near Capitol Hill, early Friday morning. Washington mayor Muriel Bowser responded to the incident in a tweet.

“This symbol of hate displayed in our city is both shocking and unsettling, particularly on the heels of International Holocaust Remembrance Day,” she wrote.

The turbulent weekend — which also included a rally in Ottawa against COVID-19 vaccine mandates that featured swastikas — comes just a few weeks after the hostage situation at a Texas synagogue left American Jews feeling vulnerable in their synagogues.

The highway overpass location of the Florida rallies resembled similar demonstrations in Austin, Texas, in October in which a group called the Goyim Defense League hung a sign that said “Vax the Jews” from an overpass.

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https://www.timesofisrael.com/florida-governor-desantis-under-fire-for-refusal-to-condemn-orlando-neo-nazi-rallies/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4628 on: February 01, 2022, 01:24:33 AM »
Criminal Donald knows he is going down for ALL his crimes especially attempting to steal an election from the people of Georgia. That's why he called on his thugs to unleash more violence.   

Atlanta FBI says it’s gathering info on potential Trump-inspired threats against Fulton County DA



Former President Donald Trump called on his rally audience in Conroe, Texas Saturday to stage mass protests if he's charged with crimes out of New York, Atlanta or Washington, D.C. -- and then went on to tell his audience that he may pardon anyone associated with Jan. 6 if he's elected again in 2024.

Given his comments at the Jan. 6 rally that led to the battle at the Capitol and attacks on the 2020 election, law enforcement is taking Trump's call seriously.

NBC News Ken Dilanian tweeted Monday afternoon that the Atlanta FBI office is monitoring Trump-inspired threats to Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, who has already asked the FBI for added security out of fear of retribution on her office over her investigations into the former president.

As we do in the normal course of business, we are gathering information to identify any potential threats and are sharing that information with our partners," the FBI office said.

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-violence-threats-atlanta-fbi/

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Marc Short is a 'critical witness' to Trump pressuring Pence to overturn the election: Jamie Gangel



On CNN Monday, correspondent Jamie Gangel reported on a key new member of Mike Pence's inner circle giving information to the House Select Committee investigating the January 6 Capitol attack — and why it matters.

"We have learned former Vice President Mike Pence's former chief of staff Marc Short had gone in," said Gangel. "He went in person to testify to the January 6th committee. I am told he spoke at length — just for clarity, just remember that he was under subpoena, and I am also told that any documents he handed over were under subpoena."

Gangel then relayed just how important Short's testimony could be to the committee given his proximity to Pence throughout nearly all relevant events leading up to and during January 6th.

"I think it is important to remind people Marc Short is a firsthand fact witness," added Gangel. "He was in the Oval Office with Vice President Pence when President Trump was pressuring Pence to overturn the election. He was also with him up on Capitol Hill when the rioters broke in and were yelling 'Hang Mike Pence," he's a critical witness for the committee because he can really tell them what was going on in the Oval Office and what then-President Trump was trying to do."

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« Reply #4630 on: February 01, 2022, 07:17:03 AM »
Lock Him Up! Donnie looks very worried in this photo. He knows the walls are closing in on him. 

Trump achieved a 'trifecta' of self-incrimination with his weekend rally rant: George Conway



Anti-Trump conservative lawyer George Conway joined former federal prosecutor Joyce White Vance on MSNBC Monday to discuss former President Donald Trump's admission that he wanted Vice President Mike Pence to "overturn" the results of the 2020 election.

"Every so often, when it comes to his bad intent, he tells the truth," Conway told CNN Monday morning. "He wanted to end constitutional democracy in the United States. And he's just out and out admitting it now."

When speaking to MSNBC, Conway noted that not only is Trump saying the quiet part out loud, he's providing evidence to prosecutors as to intent and motive behind his actions as well as admitting to crimes themselves.

"What he did over the weekend was kind of a trifecta going to his intent," Conway explained. "By offering pardons or suggestions -- to pardon the people who committed violent acts on Jan. 6, he's demonstrating again that he proved the actions were consistent with the reports that he was watching with glee and it adds to the case that he was actually intending to foment violence that day. His statements that he tried to fix the election and that he was trying to get [Mike] Pence to overturn the election, go to the intent there about what he was trying to do, which goes to the corrupt way that he was acting, with a corrupt motive to try to interfere with a congressional proceeding."

Conway went on to explain that Trump proved it was his motive, to use threats of violence or to incite violence to coerce government officials to side-step the law and place him in as the president even though he lost.

Vance said that there has been enough "bending over backward to give the former president the benefit of the doubt." Over the weekend, Trump made a direct threat to the cities he cited in the Saturday speech.

Trump "doesn't play games when it comes to his intent," she also explained. "And this is all about what his intent was, whether it is the element that prosecutors have to prove to time up to the insurrection or what he intends to do going forward. He has made very clear statements. This is a man who asks people to violently protest from his own rally. This is not a call from the former president for peaceful protest. This is a call from the former president for more of the same. There have been more consequences, at least for him personally for Jan. 6. As long as there are no consequences, he will feel free to continue on that same trajectory."

In the days that followed the riots, Trump delivered a speech that MSNBC host Chris Hayes described as a typical politician speech saying that it was wrong to enact violence.

Now, Trump is making it clear that he wants more of it.

"That is what he is doing!" Conway agreed. "He is saying that Nov. 3 was the real insurrection. He is praising the people, as he initially wanted to do. He is praising the people who did with they did on Jan. 6. He is back to the mode that he expressed that day when he said, this is what happens when a free and fair election is stolen. He wanted these people to do what they did. And they did what they thought he wanted them to do. That is what they are telling courts when they're getting sentenced."

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Multiple Trump White House Jan. 6 documents were 'torn up' and had to be reassembled with tape



The National Archives has revealed that it received several January 6th-related documents from the Trump White House that were ripped into pieces and were reassembled using tape.

As the Washington Post reports, the National Archives said on Monday that included among the records it has handed over to the House Select Committee investigating the January 6th riots on the United States Capitol are "paper records that had been torn up by former President Trump."

Trump was notorious for ripping up paper records in his White House, as he apparently did not like having written records of his actions.

This forced aides on multiple occasions to pick up the pieces of the records as put them back together with tape, as the destroyed records are required by law to be preserved under the Presidential Records Act.

The Post reports that it's not clear what January 6th-related documents Trump tore up, but it notes that the records he sought to assert privilege over "presidential diaries, schedules, appointment information, handwritten notes concerning the events of Jan. 6 from White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, speeches, remarks, and more."

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/01/31/trump-ripped-up-documents/


'We don't have to imagine this could turn violent': Jake Tapper grills former Trump adviser over latest rants

CNN's Jake Tapper on Monday grilled former Trump campaign adviser David Urban about the former president's calls for mass protests if he eventually gets indicted on any number of potential criminal charges.

After playing a clip of Trump at his rally calling for "the biggest protest we have ever had," Tapper turned to Urban and asked why no one was intervening to tell the former president that such statements are bad ideas.

"David, we don't have to imagine that it could turn violent," Tapper said. "We have January 6th to remember. Does he not have anyone around him saying stop?"

Urban responded by generally condemning violence without addressing the substance of Tapper's question.

"Obviously people are free to show up and express their opinions," he said. "It's guaranteed in the First Amendment. You can show up and petition the government for redressing grievances, super important. So people are allowed to do exactly that. Obviously, crossing over into violence is never acceptable and should be condemned strongly."

Former Trump aide Alyssa Farah, who was also on the panel, said she was not hopeful about Trump changing.

"He should be disavowing and walking away from January 6th," she said. "We've seen this last the five years. He's going to do what he wants to do if he feels cornered."

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