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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4632 on: February 01, 2022, 07:28:38 AM »
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Bombshell report says Trump 'directed' Rudy Giuliani to call DHS and ask about seizing voting machines



An  explosive new report from the New York Times claims that former President Donald Trump "directed" one-time attorney Rudy Giuliani to call the Department of Homeland Security and enquire about seizing voting machines.

Giuliani followed through with Trump's request, only to be informed that DHS lacked the legal authority to seize the machines.

The request to Giuliani came after Trump allies Michael Flynn and Sidney Powell pushed him to order the American military to seize the machines, a move that Giuliani "vehemently opposed," according to the Times' sources.

Specifically, Giuliani told Trump that he should not use the military unless there was clear-cut evidence of foreign interference in the election, which Powell insisted that she had obtained even though multiple courts determined that she had not.

Trump ultimately heeded Giuliani's advice and did not sign the order.

In addition enquiring about DHS seizing the machines, Trump also reportedly asked then-Attorney General Bill Barr about the Department of Justice impounding them, which Barr immediately shot down.

The Times writes that this new information shows "that Mr. Trump was more directly involved than previously known in exploring proposals to use his national security agencies to seize voting machines as he grasped unsuccessfully for evidence of fraud that would help him reverse his defeat in the 2020 election."

Read the whole report here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/31/us/politics/donald-trump-election-results-fraud-voting-machines.html


There was more than one executive order Trump's team crafted to seize voting machines: CNN

In an exclusive report Monday, CNN.com revealed that there was more than one executive order prepared by allies of former President Donald Trump to seize voting machines.

The effort was part of a plan by Ret. Col. Phil Waldron and Ret. Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, sources told CNN, who were both big backers of Trump's false claims about the election being stolen.

Sources explained that there was more than one draft, which was exposed as part of the documents given to the House Select Committee investigating Jan. 6 original.

"Any operation for the military or federal agents to seize voting equipment for political purposes would have been unprecedented in US history," said CNN in the report.

READ MORE: Trump achieved a 'trifecta' of self-incrimination with his weekend rally rant: George Conway

It's unknown who drafted the orders, but it was an issue that Flynn and former Trump attorney Sidney Powell were promoting at the time. According to 2020 reports, a screaming match broke out in the Oval Office about the ideas of proposing martial law and naming Powell as a special counsel to investigate the 2020 election.

"The House committee is now looking into the effort to draft an executive order and how it began, including the roles of Flynn, Waldron and Powell as well as another Trump attorney, Rudy Giuliani, and Bernie Kerik, who worked alongside Giuliani after the election to find any evidence of voter fraud," writes CNN.

"It's an extraordinary document, and we have a lot of questions about it," said Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA).

Read the full report on CNN.com:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/31/politics/trump-executive-orders-seize-voting-machines/index.html

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4633 on: February 01, 2022, 02:42:01 PM »
Trump directing racist threats against prosecutors is part of his 'fascist insurgency'



MSNBC's Joe Scarborough expressed alarm at the threats Donald Trump directed at the Black prosecutors who are investigating his fraudulent activities.

Fani Willis, the district attorney who's investigating Trump's efforts to undo his election loss there, has asked the FBI for help securing her office, and "Morning Joe" panelists agreed the threats had been provoked by the twice-impeached one-term president.

"We have seen the former president inspire violence, no moment more obviously than Jan. 6," said MSNBC's Jonathan Lemire. "He is, when he talks like this, there are people who listen and respond to it. What we're seeing here is an unprecedented step. As we know, when he was president he didn't like a news story because it was negative, he would call it fake news. Here he is suggesting that any investigation into him must be illegal."

"Now he has added the idea it must be racist because so many of the prosecutors involved are African American," Lemire added. "He's trying to delegitimize this. Again, I don't think we can overlook the idea of linking the Jan. 6 pardons comes at the same time he is calling for the mass demonstrations where it almost seems like, 'Hey, a quid pro -- could you go out there and protest for me, if things get violent, well, if I am elected again I will pardon you. We are sort of at an ominous new place with his rhetoric here, and it is no surprise. I doubt the prosecutor in Atlanta will be the only one who has to increase security as a direct result of what the former president is saying."

Scarborough said the racist element to the threats was particularly ominous, given the former president's history.

"How telling that Donald Trump, a guy who really leads an ethno-nationalist, some would say a fascist insurgency against the United States, is deeply offended by a Black woman daring to investigate whether he broke the law or not, trying to rig the election in Georgia and telling the secretary of state to find votes after the election was over," Scarborough said.



Trump's vote-stealing scheme so corrupt even 'loathsome' Bill Barr refused to participate



MSNBC's Joe Scarborough said Donald Trump's scheme to steal the 2020 election was so corrupt that even "loathsome" William Barr refused to go along.

New reporting shows the twice-impeached one-term president was personally involved in a months-long scheme to seize voting machines, although Barr and other high-ranking federal officials refused to act and Trump was eventually swept out of office.

"I'm looking at Barr's role in all of this," Scarborough said. "He is a fascinating character, fascinating storyline. He was a guy who was basically tapped by official Washington as being, you know, sort of having the 'Good Housekeeping seal of approval' before he went in as Trump's head of DOJ, his attorney general."

"Then he went in and official Washington was shocked," Scarborough added. "He lied about the Mueller report, he misrepresented the Mueller report. He conspired with Donald Trump to break the wall down between the White House and the Department of Justice. He committed perjury in front of, I think, the Senate and the House on numerous occasions. He just behaved just in a loathsome way for much of his tenure."

But even Barr had his limits, apparently.

"Then around election time he had enough and he basically punched his ticket and he said, 'I've done my duty, I'm getting out of here,'" Scarborough said. "It's fascinating that in the final month or so it was actually Barr that was putting up roadblocks every step of the way, saying no to a president trying to steal an election."


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4634 on: February 01, 2022, 02:47:24 PM »
Demand to seize voting machines 'brings it closer to Trump': Reporter says of election overthrow attempt



Reporter Ashley Parker said that the bombshell reporting from the New York Times brings the attempt to overthrow the election even closer to former President Donald Trump. Others, however, are claiming that this is just part of the narrative that is already known but not fully acknowledged by the Republican Party.

Speaking to "The 11th Hour" on Monday, Parker told Ali Velshi, "we knew there were some of these order ideas floating around." Trump staff had crafted two different executive orders that would have given the DOD the power to seize the voting machines from states that Trump took issue with.

"You couldn't tell how close to the president got, although there was still a sense that these were all people trying to please Trump and do his bidding, in a chaotic Trump White House briefing books were not always read," Parker explained. "A bit more information bringing it closer to Trump himself. But I have to say, to echo you, it's not surprising at all. Former President Trump is someone who asked the secretary of state to find the exact number of votes that would flip the states to him. This is someone who at his rally this past week, basically signaled that he would potentially pardon all the insurrectionists and that they were treated unfairly. In that same context urged supporters to protest like they've never protested before. If you keep in mind how they protested before with the deadly insurrection on the U.S. Capitol, This is a president who after he lost the free and fair election, wanted to do everything he possibly could to hang on to power with just about every means possible. The story is another bit in that broader cannon."

Sam Stein explained that it only confirms what was known about Trump's desperation to use the military to overturn the election. Finally, he called on Rudy Giuliani to push Ken Cuccinelli on the effort, but there was no chance.

"The bottom line is this is all stuff that Donald Trump is still talking about — he talked about it last night in Texas, he talked about it on Saturday night, he's not creating a lot of space between himself and its narrative," Stein explained.

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« Reply #4635 on: February 02, 2022, 03:12:27 AM »
'We are clearly in conspiracy territory': Former US attorney says latest Trump revelations are game changers



Former United States Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama Joyce Vance on Tuesday told MSNBC's Nicolle Wallace that the United States Department of Justice needs to be thinking seriously about bringing major criminal charges against former President Donald Trump.

While discussing the latest revelations about Trump's inquiries about seizing voting machines after the 2020 election, Wallace quoted from an attorney representing Oath Keeper Stewart Rhodes, who believed as he headed to the Capitol on January 6th that Trump would invoke the insurrection act to justify seizing the machines.

"Everyone knew their part," Wallace stated. "How much more evidence is required for DOJ to open an investigation into this broader conspiracy?"

Vance replied that she wonders whether Rhodes was told that there was a plan for Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act, and if that indicates a conspiracy with Trump allies and even the former president himself.

"We're far past the point in time where DOJ should -- and, I hope, is -- engaged in a full on investigation into whether there was a conspiracy to interfere with the transfer of power," Vance said. "We are clearly in conspiracy territory."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4636 on: February 02, 2022, 03:22:31 AM »
As I've said before, Criminal Donald is irrelevant, weak, and no longer viable within his own party. His own handpicked MAGA lunatics can't even raise enough money to compete.

MAGA candidates getting trounced in fundraising -- and showing limits of Trump’s power: report



Trump-backed candidates across the country are getting trounced in fundraising, according to the latest campaign finance reports.

While former president Donald Trump himself has amassed a $122 million war chest, every candidate he has endorsed against a GOP incumbent is "getting crushed," Vice News reported Tuesday afternoon.

"It’s not a shock that incumbents are out-raising challengers, even ones backed by the former president—incumbency offers a lot of fundraising advantages. And money isn’t the only thing that matters in politics," the report states. "But the struggles from so many of Trump’s candidates to catch fire in fundraising show the limits his support offers candidates. And it could mean his power over the GOP—and ability to get his allies into office—isn’t quite as strong as many have assumed."

Vice News reporter Cameron Joseph pointed to several examples of Trump-backed candidates getting "shellacked" by their opponents in fundraising during the most recent quarter.

In Alabama, Trump-backed Senate candidate Mo Brooks’ fundraising haul for the last three months was less than a third of the total raised by his top Senate primary opponent, Katie Boyd Britt. In Alaska, incumbent GOP Sen. Lisa Murkowski, who voted to impeach the former president, raised more than twice as much as her Trump-backed challenger, and has nearly seven times as much in the bank.

In North Carolina, Trump-backed GOP Senate candidate Ted Budd raised less than half as much as the Democratic frontrunner, Cheri Beasley. In Georgia, Trump-backed Senate candidate Herschel Walker raised an impressive $5.4 million over the last three months. However, Georgia Democratic Sen. Raphael Warnock far outpaced him, bringing in $9.8 million.

And in Wyoming, GOP Rep. Liz Cheney raised $2 million in the last quarter, compared to Trump back challengers Harriet Hageman's $443,000.

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https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7wgmz/trumps-favorite-candidates-fundraising

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4637 on: February 02, 2022, 11:45:00 AM »
No wonder Trump is nervous: NY attorney general looking at Trump bid for D.C. hotel
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/no-wonder-trump-is-nervous-ny-attorney-general-looking-at-trump-bid-for-d-c-hotel-132237381797

New York Attorney General Subpoenas Feds for Trump D.C. Hotel Records
https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-york-attorney-general-letitia-james-subpoenas-general-services-administration-over-trumps-dc-hotel

New York attorney general subpoenas records on Trump’s DC hotel
James is looking at whether Trump’s company misled the federal government to obtain a lease on a historic Washington, DC building




New York attorney general Letitia James’s long-running investigation into former President Donald Trump’s financial practices has expanded to include the process by which his real estate company won the lease on the historic Washington, DC building where his DC hotel is located.

According to The Washington Post, Ms James’s office has subpoenaed records from the General Services Administration – the government agency that manages federal real estate – pertaining to the process by which the GSA leased the historic Old Post Office building for renovation and redevelopment.

Mr Trump’s eponymous company, the Trump Organization, won a 2011 competition to redevelop the building by promising to spend roughly $200 million to convert it into a luxury hotel, which he said had “a chance to be one of the great hotels of the world” in an interview with NBC4 Washington at the time.

The GSA selection of Mr Trump was notable at the time because the federal government would typically not choose to do business with a person who had went through multiple bankruptcies when there were other, more solvent, bidders on the project.

Nearly a decade later, Mr Trump is trying to offload the lease to another hotel operator and the documents submitted by the Trump Organization during 2011-2012 bidding process are headed to Ms James’s office.

The attorney general is investigating whether Mr Trump or his company broke New York laws by inflating his alleged net worth for the purpose of obtaining loans and other benefits from financial institutions while reducing it for tax purposes.

In October, the House Oversight Committee issued a report detailing concerns over whether Mr Trump’s company had misled the GSA during the bidding process by concealing debts that would have made him a less attractive bidder in the government’s eyes.

New York Representative Carolyn Maloney and Virginia Representative Gerald Connolly also wrote to GSA administrator Robin Carnahan alleging that Mr Trump “concealed hundreds of millions of dollars in debts from GSA when bidding on the Old Post Office Building lease”and asked the agency to investigate.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-hotel-letitia-james-subpoena-b2005302.html

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4638 on: February 02, 2022, 11:48:40 AM »
Ivanka Trump's apartment linked to New York AG's subpoena of DC hotel records: Rachel Maddow

The Trump Organization allegedly inflated the value of Ivanka Trump's apartment to obtain a lease for the Trump International Hotel in Washington, DC, MSNBC's Rachel Maddow reported Tuesday night.

The Washington Post reported earlier in the day that New York Attorney General Letitia James has subpoenaed records related to Trump's DC hotel from the federal government, as part of her office's ongoing civil probe.

"Letitia James' investigation is reportedly looking into whether Trump got the lease on that property through fraud — whether the Trump Organization lied about his assets in order to obtain the lease for the property and the loans they used to pay for it," Maddow reported.

"We know from documents that were filed by Attorney General James last month that it was Trump's adult daughter, Ivanka Trump, who — according to the attorney general — negotiated the lease for that hotel with the federal government and negotiated a loan from Deutsche Bank to pay for it," she added. "Tish James is arguing that the means by which the Trump Organization described their own financial condition in order to get the lease and the loan were both fraudulent. Here's one example."

Maddow noted that in its statement of assets to obtain the lease and loan for the DC hotel, the Trump Organization listed the value of apartments the company owned, including the one Ivanka Trump was renting from the company at the time, on Park Avenue in New York City.

"Under her rental agreement, she apparently had the option to buy that apartment if she wanted to, for the cost of $8.5 million," Maddow reported. "But in the forms that were submitted to get the loans for the DC hotel, that very same apartment was listed as being worth more than $20 million. Then a few years later, they listed it as being worth $25 million — even though they knew there was an option to buy it for just $8.5 million."

"Attorney General James is looking into exactly that type of potentially illegally inflation of the Trump family and Trump Organization's financial situation for a whole bunch of Trump properties," she added. "Thanks to the Washington Post, we now know that the attorney general's investigation has subpoenaed the federal government about Trump's deal for that property in DC as well."

"So yeah, if I were the former president, I don't know if I'd be calling for my supporters to riot if I were indicted in this investigation, but I might be concerned."

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« Reply #4639 on: February 02, 2022, 01:47:24 PM »
Conspiracy charges possible for filing bogus Trump election slates, experts say
The Justice Department is investigating at least two states that sent alternative Republican slates, even though Biden won the vote in those states.


The Justice Department could pursue criminal charges related to the filing of Electoral College votes for Donald Trump from states that actually voted for Joe Biden in 2020, according to several experts on election law.

Certificates purporting to be from Trump electors were sent to Washington by Republicans in seven political battleground states — Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. But because Biden won the popular vote in those winner-take-all states, only electoral votes for him could officially be submitted and counted.

Attorneys general from Michigan and New Mexico last month referred the results of their own investigations to the Justice Department and suggested that submitting the Trump slates might have been illegal. Lisa Monaco, the deputy attorney general, told CNN that the allegations are under review.

“Our prosecutors are looking at those, and I can’t say anything more on ongoing investigations,” she said.

Edward Foley, an election law expert at the Moritz College of Law at Ohio State University, said the government generally should not criminalize the act of sending a document to Congress, which he said is the kind of political expression protected by the First Amendment. But he said charges might be appropriate if it turns out there was a coordinated effort to send in the alternative slates.

The filings could be important evidence if prosecutors are investigating charges of conspiracy to defraud the federal government, said Joyce Vance, a former U.S. attorney in Alabama. Federal law makes it a crime to obstruct the lawful functions of the U.S. government through fraud and deceit.

Matt Sanderson, a Washington lawyer who represents many Republican clients, said the purported Trump electors might have committed the crime of making false statements by signing documents describing themselves as the “duly elected and qualified” presidential electors from their states and by claiming that they met to vote at their state capitols, although some were actually turned away.

The submissions from New Mexico and Pennsylvania included a kind of disclaimer saying the submissions should be counted if courts later determined that they were, in fact, the qualified electors from their states.

The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol riot has subpoenaed 14 people from the seven states who were listed as the chairperson and the secretary of each group of alternative electors. The committee’s chairman, Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., said the committee believes it has “information about how these so-called alternate electors met and who was behind that scheme.”

A key question is whether there was a coordinated plan to send in the Trump elector votes from those seven states. When the Electoral College met in December 2020, White House aide Stephen Miller seemed to indicate there was such a plan.

“An alternative slate of electors in the contested states is going to vote, and we’ll send those results up to Congress. This will ensure that all of our legal remedies remain open,” he said in an interview on Fox News.

It has never been entirely clear what happened to the submissions. They apparently were not passed along to Congress by the National Archives, which described them at the time as “Certificates of Vote prepared by Republicans and submitted by private individuals.”

However, post-election court filings indicated that some of the groups sent their slates directly to Vice President Mike Pence in his capacity as Senate president, because he presided over the formal electoral vote count. Officials involved in the process have never said whether the alternative slates ever found their way onto the floor of the House during the joint session on Jan. 6, 2021.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/conspiracy-charges-possible-filing-bogus-election-slates-legal-experts-rcna14286