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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4210 on: August 19, 2021, 02:44:23 AM »
Agreed. As soon as OBL was dead, it would have been a good time to pull out within a year.

Well, I guess we will wait for the other shoe to drop. Iraq. We should never have gone into there in 2002. After we redraw, how long will it hold out?

I should mention that nation-building does not always fail. It worked in Germany and Japan. Despite the recent past of the 1930’s and 1940’s, both countries had a history of democracy before the Nazis and the Japanese military took over. In Germany, first the Kaiser was able to stifle it, then Hitler really stifled it, but the desire for democracy was still there among millions, at least after dictatorships had so thoroughly failed. But any country without a strong desire for freedom and democracy among their people, forget it.

We did great with post-WWII Europe, Japan, and South Korea. But since the 1950s, the successful long-term military engagements have been few and far between.

Afghanistan is called "the graveyard of Empires" for a reason. Even the British failed there and their record for nation-building is much better than ours. 

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« Reply #4211 on: August 20, 2021, 04:33:07 AM »
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4212 on: September 12, 2021, 12:42:24 AM »
This scumbag criminal couldn't even go one day, especially on 9/11, without falsely attacking our President of the United States. He didn't even have the courage to stand with our President and former Presidents to mourn the 9/11 victims and the anniversary on this solemn day. Had to show up for some phony photo op for a few minutes. A total disgrace and the entire world is glad he is out of power. 

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« Reply #4213 on: September 13, 2021, 07:06:11 PM »
This scumbag criminal couldn't even go one day, especially on 9/11, without falsely attacking our President of the United States. He didn't even have the courage to stand with our President and former Presidents to mourn the 9/11 victims and the anniversary on this solemn day. Had to show up for some phony photo op for a few minutes. A total disgrace and the entire world is glad he is out of power.

LOL.  Biden wasn't even allowed to speak because they were afraid he would be booed off the stage or forget where he was and start looking at his watch.   The military despises him for his weakness and incompetence.  No police officer, fire fighter, member of the military or families of those that died would allow their relatives to be disgraced by him.

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« Reply #4214 on: September 13, 2021, 10:28:58 PM »
LOL.  Biden wasn't even allowed to speak because they were afraid he would be booed off the stage or forget where he was and start looking at his watch.   The military despises him for his weakness and incompetence.  No police officer, fire fighter, member of the military or families of those that died would allow their relatives to be disgraced by him.

None of this is true  :D

We already had 4 years of weakness with a loser that destroyed America and embarrassed us around the world. The greatest weakness is a "president" who is so he weak he has to salute a dictatorial General from an enemy country.


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« Reply #4215 on: September 14, 2021, 01:23:45 AM »
None of this is true  :D

We already had 4 years of weakness with a loser that destroyed America and embarrassed us around the world. The greatest weakness is a "president" who is so he weak he has to salute a dictatorial General from an enemy country.



Did Biden speak on 9/11?  You don't find it odd that he was not allowed to speak at any of the 9/11 memorials on the 20th anniversary?  Did he look at his watch several times while they were unloading the bodies of young military service members who died due to his incompetence and weakness in Afghanistan?  Did the families of those dead service members express total disgust at Biden?  Trump met with the actual heroes in NYC on 9/11 instead of elitist politicians like Hillary and Nancy.  Old Joe gets down on his bony, white knees every night and prays that the Repubs take back the House and Senate in '22 so he can use the same excuse as Obama for his failed presidency that they obstructed all his efforts.  It's the only card that he has left to play in the midst of numerous disasters that are driving his poll numbers and the country down the toilet.  A 300% increase in the number of cases despite the availability of the vaccine, chaos and death in Afghanistan, growing crime, mandates on American citizens but not on illegal aliens flooding across the border that have been transported throughout the south on buses, planes and trains without being vaccinated or tested and then blaming the governors in those states for the spread of the pandemic. 

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« Reply #4216 on: September 14, 2021, 02:27:54 AM »
Did Biden speak on 9/11?  You don't find it odd that he was not allowed to speak at any of the 9/11 memorials on the 20th anniversary?  Did he look at his watch several times while they were unloading the bodies of young military service members who died due to his incompetence and weakness in Afghanistan?  Did the families of those dead service members express total disgust at Biden?  Trump met with the actual heroes in NYC on 9/11 instead of elitist politicians like Hillary and Nancy.  Old Joe gets down on his bony, white knees every night and prays that the Repubs take back the House and Senate in '22 so he can use the same excuse as Obama for his failed presidency that they obstructed all his efforts.  It's the only card that he has left to play in the midst of numerous disasters that are driving his poll numbers and the country down the toilet.  A 300% increase in the number of cases despite the availability of the vaccine, chaos and death in Afghanistan, growing crime, mandates on American citizens but not on illegal aliens flooding across the border that have been transported throughout the south on buses, planes and trains without being vaccinated or tested and then blaming the governors in those states for the spread of the pandemic.

President Biden spent the day at 9/11 ceremonies while Criminal was a gutless coward who didn't show up. Instead he came out for a few minute photo op, spoke to a deranged religious cult, and went to a boxing match.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4217 on: September 14, 2021, 02:44:32 AM »
What a scumbag and a total disgrace to all Americans laughing over the deaths of our soldiers. Doesn't surprise me though because this draft dodger called our troops "losers and suckers" and has enormous contempt for them.   


Trump, aides on tape laugh about Niger ambush that left 4 US soldiers dead

President Donald Trump drew laughs from some of his aides as he joked about what a “rough business” terrorism is while discussing an ambush in Niger that left four U.S. soldiers dead last year, according to a covert recording released Monday.

Trump made the comments during a closed-door meeting at the White House in the wake of the Oct. 4, 2017, attack on the U.S. special forces, who were advising local troops fighting Islamic extremists in the African nation.

Former White House communications aide Omarosa Manigault Newman secretly recorded the conversation and provided a tape of it to MSNBC on Monday afternoon.

The president can be heard on the tape telling his aides the U.S. and Nigerien troops “got attacked by 50 real fighters,” who he claimed were in Africa because the American military had chased them out of the Middle East.

“So it’s a rough business. I wouldn’t, I don’t think I’d want to be a terrorist right now,” Trump said, prompting guffaws from the staffers in the room. “It’s not a good life. ... The reason they’re there is because we forced them out, and it’s not nearly as many, it’s not nearly as intense, but it’s pretty intense, you see that happening. So that’s that.”

Press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who was present for the meeting, did not return a request for comment.

The ambush, which also left four Nigerien soldiers dead, has been shrouded in controversy since U.S. special forces in Africa are only supposed to advise and assist local troops from behind the front lines. The Pentagon has blamed the bloody ambush on “individual, organizational, and institutional failures,” but has yet to fault any particular individual or strategic decision.

During the private White House chat, Trump shed some light on what his views are on U.S. military involvement in Africa.

You know, it’s a rough business,” he can be heard saying on the recording. “They’re rough too, they want to kill us. We’ve let the military do what they have to do. And whether you call it rules of engagement or any way you want to say it, but we’ve let them do.”

Trump infamously inflamed the ambush controversy further after he was accused of forgetting the name of one of the fallen soldiers while on a condolence call with his widow.

“I heard him stumbling on trying to remember my husband’s name, and that’s what hurt me the most, because if my husband is out here fighting for our country and he risked his life for our country, why can’t you remember his name?” Myeshia Johnson, the wife of late Army Sgt. La David Johnson, told ABC News weeks after his death.

Rep. Frederica Wilson, a Florida Democrat who was with Myeshia Johnson during the condolence call, also accused Trump of telling the widow that her husband “knew what he was getting into.” Trump denies ever making the comments.

https://www.providencejournal.com/news/20180910/trump-aides-on-tape-laugh-about-niger-ambush-that-left-4-us-soldiers-dead

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« Reply #4218 on: September 14, 2021, 02:54:51 AM »
Did Biden speak on 9/11?  You don't find it odd that he was not allowed to speak at any of the 9/11 memorials on the 20th anniversary?  Did he look at his watch several times while they were unloading the bodies of young military service members who died due to his incompetence and weakness in Afghanistan?  Did the families of those dead service members express total disgust at Biden?  Trump met with the actual heroes in NYC on 9/11 instead of elitist politicians like Hillary and Nancy.  Old Joe gets down on his bony, white knees every night and prays that the Repubs take back the House and Senate in '22 so he can use the same excuse as Obama for his failed presidency that they obstructed all his efforts.  It's the only card that he has left to play in the midst of numerous disasters that are driving his poll numbers and the country down the toilet.  A 300% increase in the number of cases despite the availability of the vaccine, chaos and death in Afghanistan, growing crime, mandates on American citizens but not on illegal aliens flooding across the border that have been transported throughout the south on buses, planes and trains without being vaccinated or tested and then blaming the governors in those states for the spread of the pandemic.

Yeah, Criminal Donald really cares for our heroes. He steals money from them and then does a phony publicity stunt on 9/11 while moronic right wingers laud him as a "hero". What a joke.     


EXCLUSIVE: Trump administration secretly withheld millions from FDNY 9/11 health program

9/10/2020

The Trump administration has secretly siphoned nearly $4 million away from a program that tracks and treats FDNY firefighters and medics suffering from 9/11 related illnesses, the Daily News has learned.

The Treasury Department mysteriously started withholding parts of payments — nearly four years ago — meant to cover medical services for firefighters, emergency medical technicians and paramedics treated by the FDNY World Trade Center Health Program, documents obtained by The News reveal.

The payments were authorized and made by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, which oversees the program. But instead of sending the funds to the city, the Treasury started keeping some of the money.

“This was just disappearing,” the program’s director, Dr. David Prezant, told The News. “This is the most amazing thing. This was disappearing — without any notification.”

Prezant said he was docked about half a million dollars each year in 2016 and 2017. Then it crept up to about $630,000 in 2018 and 2019. This year, Treasury has nearly tripled its extractions, diverting $1.447 million through late August, according to Prezant.

“Here we have sick World Trade Center-exposed firefighters and EMS workers, at a time when the city is having difficult financial circumstances due to COVID-19, and we’re not getting the money we need to be able to treat these heroes,” said Prezant, the FDNY’s Chief Medical Officer.

“And for years, they wouldn’t even tell us — we never ever received a letter telling us this,” he explained.

Prezant was never able to get an explanation from NIOSH or the mammoth Department of Health and Human Services which has the agency under its umbrella.

After years of complaining, Prezant did get a partial answer when Long Island Republican Rep. Pete King put his political weight behind the inquiry. That answer was that some other agency in the city has been in an unrelated feud with the feds over Medicare bills.

For some reason, Treasury decided to stiff the FDNY. Neither the Treasury Department nor the White House answered requests for comment.

King said whatever the circumstance is that forces a premier program for sick 9/11 first responders to go begging for help on the eve on the 19th anniversary of the attack — it has to end.

“It’s disgraceful,” King said.

“I don’t even care what the details of this thing is. That fund has to be fully compensated, fully reimbursed. I mean, this is absurd,” he said. “If anyone were true American heroes, it was the cops and firemen on 9/11, especially the firemen, and for even $1 to be being held back is absolutely indefensible.”

King wrote to Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin over the summer asking what the problem was and for a solution. He got no response and has fired off another letter.

He also intends to confront Vice President Mike Pence on Friday, when both attend the Tunnel to Towers event honoring the anniversary.

“I gotta tell him,” King said. “Forget the politics. I don’t want to sound naive, but this is terrible, absolutely inexcusable.”

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) is equally as disgusted.

“The Trump Treasury Department siphoning congressionally appropriated funds meant to pay for 9/11 workers' healthcare is an outrageous finger in the eye to the firefighters, cops and other first responders who risked their lives for us," Schumer said. This needs to stop forthwith and payments to the workers' health program must be made whole — and now.”

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-fdny-911-health-program-treasury-20200910-s7yam67j6vhmhbdzg6ordanfdm-story.html


Pure Evil’: Report On Trump Administration Draining Fund For FDNY’s 9/11 Responders Draws Outrage

9/12/2020

A New York Daily News scoop published Thursday revealed that the Trump administration has siphoned around $4 million from the New York City Fire Department’s fund for its September 11 first responders, drawing outrage on the 19th anniversary of the attacks, but the U.S. Treasury says the money was diverted because of “delinquent debt” owed by New York City to the federal government.

FACTS

The funds are part of the FDNY World Trade Center Health Program, which was established by the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act of 2010, a bill passed by Congress that provides healthcare to first responders who have suffered a range of illnesses from exposure to dust and smoke at Ground Zero.

“TRUMP DOESN'T ONLY HATE VETERANS, HE HATES FIRST RESPONDER HEROES,” tweeted actress Debra Messing in reaction to the Daily News report.

Fred Guttenberg, father of Parkland school shooting victim Jamie Guttenberg, said he was “F—KING P⁠—-ED” about the report, because his brother died of cancer from 9/11.

Sen. Chuck Schumer demanded the funds be released immediately, while U.S. Rep. Max Rose, who represents Staten Island and parts of Brooklyn, tweeted, “There is not a single excuse that can justify defunding medical treatment for our heroes suffering from 9/11-related illnesses.”

From the administration whose identity is built on claims of honoring first responders,” Julie Cohen, director of the RBG documentary, wrote on Twitter.

“This doesn’t surprise me at all,” Army veteran and advocate Paul Rieckoff wrote on Twitter. “Trump did NOTHING to push for the extension of #Zadroga last year.”

A U.S. Treasury spokesperson told Forbes that $1.9 million in payments was diverted from the FDNY because of a law that forces “delinquent debt” owed by New York City and other localities to be repaid, and could not explain why the Daily News was reporting $4 million, a 50% discrepancy.

“We are also working with Congressman King and others to examine any potential authorities to provide relief in this case to support our nation’s 9/11 heroes,” the Treasury spokesperson. told Forbes, but could not provide any examples of how they would do it, and did not have a timeline.

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“Here we have sick World Trade Center-exposed firefighters and EMS workers, at a time when the city is having difficult financial circumstances due to COVID-19, and we’re not getting the money we need to be able to treat these heroes,” FDNY Chief Medical Officer David Prezant told the Daily News.

CHIEF CRITIC
“Pure evil,” tweeted Dr. Dena Grayson, a medical expert who specializes in ebola and other viruses.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/09/11/pure-evil-report-on-trump-administration-draining-fund-for-fdnys-911-responders-draws-outrage/?sh=2ac411b43182

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« Reply #4219 on: September 14, 2021, 03:09:21 AM »
Ted Lieu schools GOP on Trump's role in botching the Afghanistan withdrawal

During a hearing Monday dealing with the mistakes made during the Afghanistan withdrawal, Rep. Ted Lieu (D-CA) called out former President Donald Trump's role in making things worse ahead of the evacuation.

Lieu, a former active duty Air Force colonel now serves in the reserves, cited the Feb. 29, 2020 document from Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo that committed to the withdrawal from Afghanistan. He noted that on the first page of the agreement that the U.S. committed to "removing all military forces from the allies and coalition partners, including non-diplomatic civilian personnel, private security, contractors, advisers and supporting services within 14 months following announcement of this agreement."

"That is a very specific timeline," said Lieu. Sec. Anthony Blinken agreed. "In fact, it gets even more specific. It says in the first 135 days, the United States, its allies, and the coalition with — will withdrawal forces from five military bases. Did Donald Trump do that?"

"He did," said Blinken.

"When you read this document, let's be clear, this is a surrender document," said Lieu. "Donald Trump surrendered to the Taliban. He said, we are leaving Afghanistan, we are not coming back, and we will not fight you anymore. Now, our Republican colleagues want to say it is conditions-based. Did you notice earlier they didn't want you to talk about the conditions? Because the main condition is that the Taliban was going to stop attacking U.S. forces."

He went on to cite the soldiers who died in Afghanistan during President Donald Trump's presidency. There were 14 in 2017, another 14 in 2018, and 21 in 2019.

"And then Republican colleagues say, hey, for a whole year and a half, U.S. forces did not die," Lieu explained. "That is because the Taliban stopped attacking U.S. forces because of this agreement. If the Biden administration said hey, just kidding, we are not leaving Afghanistan, the Taliban would have started attacking U.S. forces again."

Blinken agreed with Lieu's assessment, and then the congressman continued.

"Donald Trump executed not only the surrender agreement but also 80 percent of the surrender of the withdrawal," said Lieu. "And he left you all with nearly 2500 U.S. troops, and the Taliban was still meeting their conditions. They literally put in a box that you have to withdraw all U.S. forces, or they would essentially start attacking our forces again."

Lieu further noted that for 20 years, the U.S. has gotten "rosy" assessments out of Afghanistan that turned out not to be entirely accurate.

Blinken explained that reducing the American fighting force from 13,000 down to just 2500 made it very difficult for Americans to ensure the Taliban met their agreements and in keeping Americans safe as they exited the country. Republicans criticized Blinken for not taking responsibility and instead blaming the Trump administration.

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