Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )


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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2424 on: May 22, 2023, 03:20:16 AM »
That red shirt man in the foreground at the base of the steps of TSBD entrance and just left of center handrail, who appears to have his right hand up, may possibly be  Billy Lovelady!

I propose this because there is a noticeable absence of a red shirt in the area to the immediate left of white shirt person (Sarah Stanton) with hand upraised to shield her face from sun which is what that white area is in this GIF of Towner film (center of TSBD entrance).

Oswald is still there at the west side wall of TSBD entrance just above and behind Carl Jones , and may be lifting an object thatís probably a bottle just as he is doing in the Hughes film.

In Hughes film,  Billy Lovelady was either further up on the steps and next to Sarah Stanton and in shadow so he is not visible in Hughes, OR he has already moved down to the base of the steps.

Is it possible that Lovelady can be up in shadow in the Hughes film, then move down to the base of the steps to be the red shirt man who seems to have his arm raised HIGH and waving at JFK in thus Towner film GIF?

If this man at the base of the steps is  not Lovelady and he is not Oswald then there must be 3 Persons with similar red brown shirts!




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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2424 on: May 22, 2023, 03:20:16 AM »


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2425 on: June 04, 2023, 12:36:47 AM »
Is it possible that Lovelady can be up in shadow in the Hughes film, then move down to the base of the steps to be the red shirt man who seems to have his arm raised HIGH and waving at JFK in thus Towner film GIF?

Not enough time between end of Hughes and start of Towner for that, Mr. Mason.

Hmmm... I think this is Ms Madie Reese:



However the reddish/pinkish color below where I've marked is hard to reconcile with what shows up in Hughes & Bell as her WHITE coat.....................

Also, Bell rules out anyone standing just in front of her.

Unless............ there is a person in red (mostly covered by foliage in Bell) further out on the sidewalk?





If so, then they're gone by the time of Wiegman...........

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2426 on: June 04, 2023, 12:42:22 AM »
It may be a little more complicated than something catching his attention...



Ask yourself: what might the weirdly 'missing' frames just before this have shown?



What if they showed something curious in Pres. Kennedy's behavior-------------something that was NOT a reaction but something else entirely.................?

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If Pres. Kennedy indeed made some giveaway movement (signaling interest in the doorway) in these cut frames in Towner, then that would also of course explain the missing turn onto Elm in Zapruder

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2426 on: June 04, 2023, 12:42:22 AM »


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2427 on: June 05, 2023, 01:25:57 PM »

Unless............ there is a person in red (mostly covered by foliage in Bell) further out on the sidewalk?




Honestly, though, this just seems to be Ms. Ruth Dean's skirt:



Could Ms. Madie Reese's coat be showing up pinkish in Towner because it actually is a faint shade of pink (which faint shade gets lost in Hughes & Bell due to much greater distance from camera)??



Darn, I wish this aftermath photo of Ms. Reese & Ms. Dean were in color!


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2428 on: June 05, 2023, 01:36:41 PM »
Could Ms. Madie Reese's coat be showing up pinkish in Towner because it actually is a faint shade of pink (which faint shade gets lost in Hughes & Bell due to much greater distance from camera)??



Here's Ms. Reese in Bell with enhanced saturation & contrast:



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2428 on: June 05, 2023, 01:36:41 PM »


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2429 on: June 06, 2023, 03:40:03 AM »
Other than that, the only remaining possibility would seem to be that this in Bell------



-------is a portion of this in Towner-------



--------rather than what I've always assumed it to be, namely the legs of a woman standing on the east side of the doorway.

Is this indeed Ms. Madie Reese in the doorway or could it be a person standing out in front on the sidewalk?:




If the latter, then they're nowhere to be seen a few seconds later in Wiegman.................



So in all likelihood it's just Ms. Reese, yes?
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2430 on: June 06, 2023, 04:07:02 AM »
Not unrelated question!

ONE object being waved or TWO?


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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2431 on: June 06, 2023, 04:44:54 AM »
Is this indeed Ms. Madie Reese in the doorway or could it be a person standing out in front on the sidewalk?:



If the latter, then they're nowhere to be seen a few seconds later in Wiegman.................

Then again..........



« Last Edit: June 06, 2023, 04:57:26 AM by Alan Ford »

 

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