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Offline Chris Davidson

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2008 on: February 11, 2023, 08:48:00 AM »
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2009 on: February 11, 2023, 10:17:38 AM »
Great gosh, Mr. Davidson, what an eye you have! I'm sorry I missed this when you previously posted it, and thank you for re-posting Thumb1:

If this is what it looks like, then........................

1. we are getting a full-width view of the shirt of Mr.-Lovelady-in-Doorway



= one we don't get in Altgens (due to the angle of Mr. Altgens' camera), nor in Wiegman (due to a ridiculous artificial shadow which has been placed down his side). Mr. Lovelady's entire upper body is indeed facing into full sunlight

2. Mr. Lovelady is not the figure standing right behind Mr. Carl Edward Jones in Hughes/Towner

3. That man, wearing a fully or mostly unbuttoned red shirt, is.......... unidentified



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2010 on: February 11, 2023, 04:09:54 PM »
Unless it is some distortion by the camera, I知
Seeing in that enlarged gif that Chris posted, what appears to be 2 blotches of red that when combined together in the horizontal line, are way too wide to be just one body.

So I値l be the one to ask: could there be TWO persons with red shirts next to each other that cause this image?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2011 on: February 11, 2023, 05:06:13 PM »
I知
Seeing in that enlarged gif that Chris posted, what appears to be 2 blotches of red that when combined together in the horizontal line, are way too wide to be just one body.

So I値l be the one to ask: could there be TWO persons with red shirts next to each other that cause this image?
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That's what I thought it showed too.
The collage was posted some time ago, I created the gif last night.   

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2012 on: February 11, 2023, 05:18:23 PM »
Unless it is some distortion by the camera, I知
Seeing in that enlarged gif that Chris posted, what appears to be 2 blotches of red that when combined together in the horizontal line, are way too wide to be just one body.

So I値l be the one to ask: could there be TWO persons with red shirts next to each other that cause this image?

Not sure I agree with the premise, Mr. Mason ("way too wide to be just one body"), but............ what you're suggesting wouldn't necessarily require two persons with red shirts next to each other.

Bell could be catching a) the left shoulder of our red-shirted man in Hughes + b) Mr. Lovelady behind him, several steps up by the center rail


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2013 on: February 11, 2023, 05:31:37 PM »
Mr. Davidson, how many seconds would you estimate as elapsing between the end of this clip--------------



and the beginning of these synchronized clips?



Thank you!

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2014 on: February 11, 2023, 07:04:41 PM »
Alan,

It's impossible to tell what the time elapse would be.
Why?
If you use the Bell/Towner sync and plot it, their LOS intersect creates a wider turn radius than most believed to have occurred.
Truly described it and that was at least one reason for the Towner splice. imo
Another would probably be, as you have long suspected, the action upon the TSBD steps so clearly in view from Towner's position.
With that said and the splice time/wider radius being discounted, it would have been a distance of approx 25ft traveled at an 8.6mph average speed = 25/12.64ft persec = 2 seconds.

Mr. TRULY. That is right.
And the President's car following close behind came along at an average speed of 10 or 15 miles an hour. It wasn't that much, because they were getting ready to turn. And the driver of the Presidential car swung out too far to the right, and he came almost within an inch of running into this little abutment here, between Elm and the Parkway. And he slowed down perceptibly and pulled back to the left to get over into the middle lane of the parkway. Not being familiar with the street, he came too far out this way when he made his turn.

Mr. BELIN. He came too far to the north before he made his curve, and as he curved--as he made his left turn from Houston onto the street leading to the expressway, he almost hit this north curb? 

Mr. TRULY. That is right. Just before he got to it, he had to almost stop, to pull over to the left.
If he had maintained his speed, he would probably have hit this little section here.

Mr. BELIN. All right.


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2015 on: February 11, 2023, 07:38:05 PM »
Alan,

It's impossible to tell what the time elapse would be.
Why?
If you use the Bell/Towner sync and plot it, their LOS intersect creates a wider turn radius than most believed to have occurred.
Truly described it and that was at least one reason for the Towner splice. imo
Another would probably be, as you have long suspected, the action upon the TSBD steps so clearly in view from Towner's position.
With that said and the splice time/wider radius being discounted, it would have been a distance of approx 25ft traveled at an 8.6mph average speed = 25/12.64ft persec = 2 seconds.

Mr. TRULY. That is right.
And the President's car following close behind came along at an average speed of 10 or 15 miles an hour. It wasn't that much, because they were getting ready to turn. And the driver of the Presidential car swung out too far to the right, and he came almost within an inch of running into this little abutment here, between Elm and the Parkway. And he slowed down perceptibly and pulled back to the left to get over into the middle lane of the parkway. Not being familiar with the street, he came too far out this way when he made his turn.

Mr. BELIN. He came too far to the north before he made his curve, and as he curved--as he made his left turn from Houston onto the street leading to the expressway, he almost hit this north curb? 

Mr. TRULY. That is right. Just before he got to it, he had to almost stop, to pull over to the left.
If he had maintained his speed, he would probably have hit this little section here.

Mr. BELIN. All right.



Thank you very much for this informative response, Mr. Davidson------------much appreciated!  Thumb1: