Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Alan Ford]

Carolyn Arnold’s very 1st FBI statement, the only one she SIGNED her name on, does NOT refer to
2nd floor lunchroom. Instead   Arnold describes glimpsing Oswald on the 1st floor in the hallway between  front entrance door and the 2nd set of doors leading to the warehouse at approximately time of 12:25.

Where's her signature? This is an interview report, not a signed statement. Ms Arnold was furious when Mr Earl Golz read it out to her over the telephone.

That
is a description of the front foyer, and NOT the vestibule of the 2nd floor lunchroom.
She later denies this FBI statement and starts the 2nd floor lunchroom version in 2nd FBI statement NOT signing her name.

What second FBI statement?

And embellishes on that story many years later adding more details such as Oswald seated etc.

Imo, Carolyn Arnold was coerced to change her original 1st floor sighting to the 2nd floor.

No, she was contacted by Mr Earl Golz and Mr Anthony Summers. No coercion!

I believe Ms Arnold saw Mr Oswald in the second floor lunchroom several minutes before the shooting, AND again behind the front entrance glass doors a little later. Mr Oswald, as he ate his lunch on one after buying the coke, kept an eye on the action outside---------------he wanted to wait until the P. Parade arrived before popping out. (No desire to stand on the steps making small talk with other employees.)

[Alan Ford]

Want a good laugh?

Within a few days of the assassination, a filmed reconstruction was made of Evil Oswald's fiendish descent from the sniper's nest to the second floor lunchroom. How does the man playing Evil Oswald bring his performance to a close? By sitting at one of the tables! 



Those suffering from Lunchroom Derangement Syndrome are now cordially invited to explain how this SS reconstruction was carried out without either Officer Baker or the on-site building manager Mr Truly being consulted as to Mr Oswald's exact whereabouts at the time he was confronted!

Unfortunately for our LDS sufferers, it gets even worse. There is a whopping coincidence between the above and what Mr Truly himself was telling folks in the first days after the assassination-------------



 

[Walt Cakebread]

Baker already had drawn his gun in preparation to begin his ascent up the front staircase, erroneously presuming that staircase continued to the roof.

It’s at that point that Oswald was seen as Baker reaches the stairs and it was a reflex action with gun still in hand as Baker saw Oswald going “away “ from that front staircase TO the storage room.

Baker already had drawn his gun in preparation to begin his ascent up the front staircase, erroneously presuming that staircase continued to the roof.

I also believe that Baker started up front stairs that ended on the second floor....I believe that he tried to enter the office area through the swinging door but it was latched and at That point Roy truly ran into Baker's back.  Truly of course knew how to release the dor and told Baker to follow him and he'd show him the way to the roof.   As they passed through the vesibule at the west end of the 2nd floor lunchroom, Baker glanced into the lunchroom and saw Lee by the coke machine.  And you know the rest of the story.   

When the police started analyzing the story that Baker was telling they realized that there was NO WAY that Lee Oswald could have been in that lunchroom if he had been firing a rifle on the sixth floor when JFK was murdered.  But the police were intent on putting Lee in the electric chair because they believed he had shot a fellow officer. So they invented the tale about Baker waiting at the elevator on the first floor which was supposed to give enough time for Lee Oswald to have reached the lunchroom before Baker arrived on the second floor.

Of course I'll never be able to get many to accept this scenario...  But I believe it's a very real possibility.   

[Alan Ford]

Baker already had drawn his gun in preparation to begin his ascent up the front staircase, erroneously presuming that staircase continued to the roof.

I also believe that Baker started up front stairs that ended on the second floor....I believe that he tried to enter the office area through the swinging door but it was latched and at That point Roy truly ran into Baker's back.  Truly of course knew how to release the dor and told Baker to follow him and he'd show him the way to the roof.   As they passed through the vesibule at the west end of the 2nd floor lunchroom, Baker glanced into the lunchroom and saw Lee by the coke machine.  And you know the rest of the story.   

When the police started analyzing the story that Baker was telling they realized that there was NO WAY that Lee Oswald could have been in that lunchroom if he had been firing a rifle on the sixth floor when JFK was murdered.  But the police were intent on putting Lee in the electric chair because they believed he had shot a fellow officer. So they invented the tale about Baker waiting at the elevator on the first floor

That elevator detail is in Officer Baker's affidavit---------so why doesn't the affidavit also give us the lunchroom encounter?

[Zeon Mason]

Carolyn Arnold basically has  3 Different stories

The Nov 26 1963 FBI statement which she did NOT sign, (my mistake earlier) which has NO mention of a 2nd floor lunchroom sighting of Oswald. This is the the statement of a 12:15 “glimpse” of Oswald in the front foyer of 1st floor between the front doors and the 2nd set of  double doors to the warehouse

Then the March 18 1964 FBI statement which she DiD sign, Carolyn Arnold has NO mention of any sighting of Oswald WHAT SO Ever. There is Nothing at all about a 2nd floor lunchroom sighting. She changes time of exiting the TSBD from 12:15 to 12:25.

It’s not until 1978 when Carolyn
Arnold’s no.3 story of 2nd floor sighting of Oswald is told in interviews with Earl Golz and Anthony Summers.
And it was then that she denies the Nov 26/63 statement is true.

IDK what to think now, but I doubt seriously that the FBI would falsely make a statement that would give Oswald an alibi, such as having witness observing him in the front foyer entrance at 12:15

More probably, IMO, the FBI would be compelled by the Hoover memo to “convince” Carolyn Arnold that she must have seen Lovelady instead of Oswald and that a statement of NOT seeing Oswald at the time of shooting would be helpful.  And to sign that statement.

Hence the follow up March 18 1964 Signed FBI statement by Carolyn  Arnold declaring not seeing Oswald at time of shooting and no statement of lunchroom or any other sighting of Oswald.

[Alan Ford]

Carolyn Arnold basically has  3 Different stories

The Nov 26 1963 FBI statement which she did NOT sign, (my mistake earlier) which has NO mention of a 2nd floor lunchroom sighting of Oswald. This is the the statement of a 12:15 “glimpse” of Oswald in the front foyer of 1st floor between the front doors and the 2nd set of  double doors to the warehouse

Then the March 18 1964 FBI statement which she DiD sign, Carolyn Arnold has NO mention of any sighting of Oswald WHAT SO Ever. There is Nothing at all about a 2nd floor lunchroom sighting.

That's because she is one of the employees for whom the timeframe is carefully restricted to "at the time President Kennedy was shot" (rather than, say, "at any time on 22 November 1963").

She changes time of exiting the TSBD from 12:15 to 12:25.

It’s not until 1978 when Carolyn
Arnold’s no.3 story of 2nd floor sighting of Oswald is told in interviews with Earl Golz and Anthony Summers.
And it was then that she denies the Nov 26/63 statement is true.

IDK what to think now, but I doubt seriously that the FBI would falsely make a statement that would give Oswald an alibi, such as having witness observing him in the front foyer entrance at 12:15

More probably, IMO, the FBI would be compelled by the Hoover memo to “convince” Carolyn Arnold that she must have seen Lovelady instead of Oswald and that a statement of NOT seeing Oswald at the time of shooting would be helpful.  And to sign that statement.

She actually comes close--------or is made appear come close--------to that in the Nov FBI interview report: "...thought she saw a fleeting glimpse of.... could not be sure that this was OSWALD..."

Hence the follow up March 18 1964 Signed FBI statement by Carolyn  Arnold declaring not seeing Oswald at time of shooting and no statement of lunchroom or any other sighting of Oswald.

I believe she saw Mr Oswald twice (lunchroom & behind glass doors), but by 1978 wished (out of fear) to disclaim the doorway sighting.

No one------but NO one------in 1978 even suspected, let alone knew (as we now do) that Mr Oswald had claimed a pre-assassination lunchroom visit. Ms Arnold is not inventing this sighting IMO.

[Dan O'meara]

No one------but NO one------in 1978 even suspected, let alone knew (as we now do) that Mr Oswald had claimed a pre-assassination lunchroom visit. Ms Arnold is not inventing this sighting IMO.

An analysis of the CE 1381's, specifically Arnold's and the co-workers she was with that day, supports the foyer sighting but refutes the 2nd floor lunchroom sighting.
Piper has Oswald on the first floor by noon.
The Jarman/Norman detail has him in the Domino Room @12:25, obviously on the first floor

[Alan Ford]

An analysis of the CE 1381's, specifically Arnold's and the co-workers she was with that day, supports the foyer sighting but refutes the 2nd floor lunchroom sighting.

How so?

Piper has Oswald on the first floor by noon.

Yes, and Shelley

The Jarman/Norman detail has him in the Domino Room @12:25, obviously on the first floor

Yes 

After breaking for lunch he comes down to one, then goes up to second floor lunchroom, then back down to one. Then goes outside to watch P. Parade.