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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1104 on: January 26, 2021, 12:16:14 AM »
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All you have done here, Mr Cakebread, is find another way to miss the point I was making

No Alan, What I have done is clarify the information that you have jumbled .......

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1104 on: January 26, 2021, 12:16:14 AM »


Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1105 on: January 26, 2021, 02:30:32 AM »
No----the lack of consistency is entirely in the reports made of what he said. Remember: Inspector Kelley and Agent Bookhout are reporting on one and the same session, which they both attended! Does either of them indicate that Mr Oswald gave two completely different answers in that session?

It is possible they weren't both there at the same time or the whole time. Very similar statements though. They are consistent in regards to the claim of the  presence of coworkers he is attempting to use as an alibi. What he admits to is the lunchroom encounter taking place on the second floor before he ate his lunch in the presence of the coworkers. An event he eventually states happened after he came down the stairs to see what the commotion was about. An event he eventually  claims happened after the assassination not before. By the end of his interrogation little doubt he is making stories up about his whereabouts during the assassination.

Agent Bookhout, 11/23 interrogation report:
"OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was called 'Junior' and the other was a short individual whose name he could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize. He stated that his lunch consisted of a cheese sandwich and an apple..."

Inspector Kelley, 11/23 interrogation report:
"He said he ate his lunch with the colored boys who worked with him. He described one of them as 'Junior', a colored boy, and the other was a little short negro boy. He said his lunch consisted of cheese, bread, fruit, and apples..."

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1106 on: January 26, 2021, 02:23:54 PM »
It is possible they weren't both there at the same time or the whole time. Very similar statements though. They are consistent in regards to the claim of the  presence of coworkers he is attempting to use as an alibi. What he admits to is the lunchroom encounter taking place on the second floor before he ate his lunch in the presence of the coworkers. An event he eventually states happened after he came down the stairs to see what the commotion was about. An event he eventually  claims happened after the assassination not before. By the end of his interrogation little doubt he is making stories up about his whereabouts during the assassination.

Agent Bookhout, 11/23 interrogation report:
"OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was called 'Junior' and the other was a short individual whose name he could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize. He stated that his lunch consisted of a cheese sandwich and an apple..."

Inspector Kelley, 11/23 interrogation report:
"He said he ate his lunch with the colored boys who worked with him. He described one of them as 'Junior', a colored boy, and the other was a little short negro boy. He said his lunch consisted of cheese, bread, fruit, and apples..."

What he admits to is the lunchroom encounter taking place on the second floor before he ate his lunch in the presence of the coworkers.

Are you a simpleton, Mr Nessan ?    Are you unable to reason?....   

Lee Did NOT say that he had company while he was eating his lunch...He said he ate his lunch ALONE in the first floor lunchroom.   And he saw Jarman and Norman walk by the lunchroom while he was eating his lunch.   We have established as a fact that J &N did walk by that 1st floor lunchroom at about 12:26.    All of Lee's fellow employees had already finished their lunches by 12:20,  and gone outside to watch the President's parade, and NOBODY ever said that they ate their lunch with Lee Oswald that day. 

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1107 on: January 26, 2021, 10:13:28 PM »
Maybe the reason for the blackout of Loveladys right arm was because the original Altgens  negative would show his right arm NOT raised , NOT having sleeves rolled up, and MOST importantly : NO Soda bottle in the right hand!!


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1108 on: January 26, 2021, 10:17:38 PM »
It is possible they weren't both there at the same time or the whole time. Very similar statements though.

Given that they report on Mr Oswald's responses to an identical sequence of questions, given that neither mentions anything about leaving the room at any point during the interrogation, it is highly unlikely they weren't both there at the same time or the whole time. Yet this highly unlikely scenario you take as fact because you want to blame the inconsistencies between the reports on Mr Oswald.

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Agent Bookhout, 11/23 interrogation report:
"OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was called 'Junior' and the other was a short individual whose name he could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize. He stated that his lunch consisted of a cheese sandwich and an apple..."

Inspector Kelley, 11/23 interrogation report:
"He said he ate his lunch with the colored boys who worked with him. He described one of them as 'Junior', a colored boy, and the other was a little short negro boy. He said his lunch consisted of cheese, bread, fruit, and apples..."

This proves that Mr Oswald changed his story from 'I had one apple' to 'I had more than one apple', right?
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1109 on: January 26, 2021, 10:19:21 PM »
Maybe the reason for the blackout of Loveladys right arm was because the original Altgens  negative would show his right arm NOT raised , NOT having sleeves rolled up, and MOST importantly : NO Soda bottle in the right hand!!

But Mr Lovelady's right arm is out of the Altgens LOS

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1110 on: January 26, 2021, 11:19:47 PM »
The significance of the unsleeved fore arm upraised with bottle in hand is basically ; Who else could the person be , other than Oswald?

The only other possibility was Lovelady , since he is the only other person out there on the front steps who has categorically stated in WC testimony of having bought coke from the 2nd floor machine just before he then went out to to the front steps

Imagine if that original negative of Altgens produced a clear print that showed not only the arm with bottle more clearly, but some portion of the white solid oval shaped Dr.Pepper label on bottle in that hand?


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1111 on: January 27, 2021, 12:59:09 AM »
The significance of the unsleeved fore arm upraised with bottle in hand is basically ; Who else could the person be , other than Oswald?

Indeed!

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The only other possibility was Lovelady , since he is the only other person out there on the front steps who has categorically stated in WC testimony of having bought coke from the 2nd floor machine just before he then went out to to the front steps

And, disastrously for the 'investigating' authorities, Mr Lovelady is shown in Altgens and so cannot be the owner of that upraised arm. The years-long campaign by some CTers to convince folks that Mr Lovelady in Altgens is in fact Mr Oswald missed the point completely!

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Imagine if that original negative of Altgens produced a clear print that showed not only the arm with bottle more clearly, but some portion of the white solid oval shaped Dr.Pepper label on bottle in that hand?

Mr Oswald said he bought a Coke in the second floor lunchroom--basically he did exactly what Mr Lovelady did
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