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Author Topic: If Oswald Was The Assassin, Did He Plan His Escape From The TSBD Very Well?  (Read 14655 times)

Online Charles Collins

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I wonder if Oswald interpreted the news coverage of JFKs stance on Vietnam as being pro-american invasion of that country and this had something to do with Oswalds sudden turn against Kennedy even though lots of people who knew Oswald said he liked Kennedy.

Itís possible, even probable. But in my opinion, the public threats going back and forth between JFK and Castro and the CIA backed raids on Cuba had the most influence on LHO.

Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Itís possible, even probable. But in my opinion, the public threats going back and forth between JFK and Castro and the CIA backed raids on Cuba had the most influence on LHO.
Is there any evidence at all that Oswald expressed any thoughts about Vietnam? I am not aware of it. As you point out, Oswald was focused on Cuba and Castro. What's also odd, for me, is that I don't think Oswald ever mentioned the CIA? He was very critical of the FBI but said very little about the CIA.

As to "lots of people" say he liked JFK: We have DeMohrenschildt saying that Oswald "admired" JFK on the civil rights/segregation issue and Michael Paine said that Oswald praised JFK for the same matter. Marina's statements are contradictory and at odds. Other than that what is there? I can't recall offhand.

So we have two people? And supposedly (for some conspiracy believers) those two men were CIA assets (DeMohrenschildt was allegedly Oswald's "handler"). Right, so they framed Oswald and also said he admired JFK on civil rights? If they're framing him they don't say he expressed any admiration of JFK. Why would they?
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Online Charles Collins

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Is there any evidence at all that Oswald expressed any thoughts about Vietnam? I am not aware of it. As you point out, Oswald was focused on Cuba and Castro. What's also odd, for me, is that I don't think Oswald ever mentioned the CIA? He was very critical of the FBI but said very little about the CIA.

As to "lots of people" say he liked JFK: We have DeMohrenschildt saying that Oswald "admired" JFK on the civil rights/segregation issue and Michael Paine said that Oswald praised JFK for the same matter. Marina's statements are contradictory and at odds. Other than that what is there? I can't recall offhand.

So we have two people? And supposedly (for some conspiracy believers) those two men were CIA assets (DeMohrenschildt was allegedly Oswald's "handler"). Right, so they framed Oswald and also said he admired JFK on civil rights? If they're framing him they don't say he expressed any admiration of JFK. Why would they?

I am not aware of any evidence that LHO expressed anything about Vietnam. My reasoning is that it was a news topic and LHO appeared to follow some of the political news. And that he most likely had a similar view to Castroís view about it. Itís even likely that LHO heard Castroís view on his radio while listening to Cuban broadcasts.

It seems like I have read that LHO had a photo of Castro hanging in the New Orleans apartment. And that Marina added a photo of JFK that she got out of a magazine.

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I am not aware of any evidence that LHO expressed anything about Vietnam. My reasoning is that it was a news topic and LHO appeared to follow some of the political news. And that he most likely had a similar view to Castroís view about it. Itís even likely that LHO heard Castroís view on his radio while listening to Cuban broadcasts.

It seems like I have read that LHO had a photo of Castro hanging in the New Orleans apartment. And that Marina added a photo of JFK that she got out of a magazine.
Marina said he used to sing songs to "Fidel" (whew) and wanted to name their first child after him (this was when they were in Minsk). After the Mexico City incident, she said he soured on Cuba and didn't talk about it.

But of course, our conspiracy friends will say all of this was an act. He was really working for US intelligence and pretending all of this. Double whew, that's some fantasy. One of my favorite writers, Saul Bellow, once said: "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep." Thus the thousands of conspiracy books being produced. And read.
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Ah the classic LNr "dismiss everything that doesn't fit my narrative" nothingburger.

Next time, try using your brain... perhaps you will figure out what he is saying.... eventually

Ah, yet two more classic OAKer nothingburgers
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Ah the classic LNr "dismiss everything that doesn't fit my narrative" nothingburger.

Next time, try using your brain... perhaps you will figure out what he is saying.... eventually

Ah, yet two more classic OAKer nothingburgers

So you don't want to use your brain? Oh wait... maybe you just can't.... Got it

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So you don't want to use your brain? Oh wait... maybe you just can't.... Got it

Can I get some fries with all these OAKer-burgers?
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Offline John Iacoletti

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Here's the 11/23 DMN Biffle article.


Offline John Mytton

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Here's the 11/23 DMN Biffle article.



Thanks, the Biffle abbreviated quotes and info seem to be a direct lift from Brennan's affidavit?

VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22 day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared Howard Leslie Brennan, Address 6814 Woodard, Dallas, Texas Age 44 , Phone No. EV 1-2713
Deposes and says:

I am presently employed by the Wallace and Beard Construction Company as a Steam fitter and have been so employed for about the past 7 weeks. I am working on a pipe line in the Katy Railroad yards at the West end of Pacific Street near the railroad tracks. We had knocked off for lunch and I had dinner at the cafeteria at Record and Main Street and had come back to see the President of the United States. I was sitting on a ledge or wall near the intersection of Houston Street and Elm Street near the red light pole. I was facing in a northerly direction looking across the street from where I was sitting. I take this building across the street to be about 7 stories anyway in the east endof [sic] the building and the second row of windows from the top I saw a man in this window. I had seen him before the President's car arrived. He was just sitting up there looking down apparently waiting for the same thing I was to see the President. I did not notice anything unusual about this man. He was a white man in his early 30's, slender, nice looking, slender and would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds. He had on light colored clothing but definately [sic] not a suit. I proceeded to watch the President's car as it turned left at the corner where I was and about 50 yards from the intersection of Elm and Houston and to a point I would say the President's back was in line with the last windows I have previously described I heard what I thought was a back fire. It run [sic] in my mind that it might be someone throwing firecrackers out the window of the red brick building and I looked up at the building. I then saw this man I have described in the window and he was taking aim with a high powered rifle. I could see all of the barrel of the gun. I do not know if it had a scope on it or not. I was looking at the man in this windows at the time of the last explosion. Then this man let the gun down to his side and stepped down out of sight. He did not seem to be in any hurry. I could see this man from about his belt up. There was nothing unusual about him at all in appearance. I believe that I could identify this man if I ever saw him again.

/s/ H. L. Brennan

/s/ C. M. Jones
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas


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Online Charles Collins

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Here's the 11/23 DMN Biffle article.



Thanks John!

The first thing that occurred to me is that he specified that the scope was a 4-power. Was that made public by the time this article was written? Or is it indicative that the information was leaked to the DMN by the police?

 

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