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Offline Margaret Kelly

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Did Castro coerce Duran and Azcue into the fake LHO story?
« on: February 09, 2020, 10:22:27 PM »
In her earlier testimony, Duran identified LHO as the man who called to the cuban consulate in Sept 1963. By the late 70's however, both she and Azcue were saying the person was not Oswald.

Here's one possible scenario for this discrepancy:

When the new HSCA investigation was announced in the late 1970s, did Castro interpret this new investigation as a "CIA front" to blame Castro for the JFK assassination and thus justify a new invasion of Cuba? So in order to block the CIAs effort, Castro coerced Duran and Azcue into making the false claim that it was not Oswald inside the cuban consulate at all. If it was not Oswald, then the HSCA investigation could not blame Castro/Cuba for the JFK assassination because Oswald was not even inside their consulate in late Sept 1963 - thus no relationship between Oswald and Cuba. Castro would know that the CIA had no photo evidence that Oswald was inside the cuban consulate (they had already said their surveillance cameras were not working) and so Castro knew the CIA could not contradict Duran and Azcues claim that it was not Oswald they had met inside the Cuban consulate.

Castro then gave the HSCA investigation two photos of unknown males of who they thought might be the imposter Oswald in order to throw off the investigation.

This would explain why Oswalds photo does indeed show up on the application form.

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Re: Did Castro coerce Duran and Azcue into the fake LHO story?
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2020, 11:27:20 PM »
In her earlier testimony, Duran identified LHO as the man who called to the cuban consulate in Sept 1963. By the late 70's however, both she and Azcue were saying the person was not Oswald.

Here's one possible scenario for this discrepancy:

When the new HSCA investigation was announced in the late 1970s, did Castro interpret this new investigation as a "CIA front" to blame Castro for the JFK assassination and thus justify a new invasion of Cuba? So in order to block the CIAs effort, Castro coerced Duran and Azcue into making the false claim that it was not Oswald inside the cuban consulate at all. If it was not Oswald, then the HSCA investigation could not blame Castro/Cuba for the JFK assassination because Oswald was not even inside their consulate in late Sept 1963 - thus no relationship between Oswald and Cuba. Castro would know that the CIA had no photo evidence that Oswald was inside the cuban consulate (they had already said their surveillance cameras were not working) and so Castro knew the CIA could not contradict Duran and Azcues claim that it was not Oswald they had met inside the Cuban consulate.

Castro then gave the HSCA investigation two photos of unknown males of who they thought might be the imposter Oswald in order to throw off the investigation.

This would explain why Oswalds photo does indeed show up on the application form.
Questions, please: Where/when did Duran say the man wasn't Oswald? In every interview I've read she's stated that it was Oswald. Yes, she described the man differently than the real Oswald. But she said in 1978 in testimony to the HSCA that it was the Oswald arrested for the murder of JFK.

She also appeared in 1993 on the PBS Frontline show "Who was Lee Harvey Oswald" saying it was indeed Oswald, the man arrested for the murder of JFK. Alfredo Mirabal, who was also at the consulate during the event said it was Oswald.

And when did Castro give the HSCA two photographs of someone? I've never heard that.





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Re: Did Castro coerce Duran and Azcue into the fake LHO story?
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2020, 11:31:41 PM »
Questions, please: Where/when did Duran say the man wasn't Oswald?

I thought she told Antony Summers it was not Oswald. Maybe i took this up wrong?

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Re: Did Castro coerce Duran and Azcue into the fake LHO story?
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2020, 11:43:10 PM »
I thought she told Antony Summers it was not Oswald. Maybe i took this up wrong?
I have this account from the Summer's book "Not in Your Lifetime".



As we all know reading about this event, eyewitness accounts are unreliable. Some are good, some are bad, some are a mix. It depends on the person and what they say. So we have to consider corroborating evidence (if any) when we use a eyewitness.

I think the corroborating evidence for these eyewitness accounts is very strong. It was, in my view, Lee Oswald, who went to the Cuban consulate and Soviet Embassy in Mexico City.


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Re: Did Castro coerce Duran and Azcue into the fake LHO story?
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2020, 12:12:36 AM »
And when did Castro give the HSCA two photographs of someone? I've never heard that.

Its at 2:20 on this video:

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Re: Did Castro coerce Duran and Azcue into the fake LHO story?
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2020, 12:31:12 AM »
In her earlier testimony, Duran identified LHO as the man who called to the cuban consulate in Sept 1963. By the late 70's however, both she and Azcue were saying the person was not Oswald.

Here's one possible scenario for this discrepancy:

When the new HSCA investigation was announced in the late 1970s, did Castro interpret this new investigation as a "CIA front" to blame Castro for the JFK assassination and thus justify a new invasion of Cuba? So in order to block the CIAs effort, Castro coerced Duran and Azcue into making the false claim that it was not Oswald inside the cuban consulate at all. If it was not Oswald, then the HSCA investigation could not blame Castro/Cuba for the JFK assassination because Oswald was not even inside their consulate in late Sept 1963 - thus no relationship between Oswald and Cuba. Castro would know that the CIA had no photo evidence that Oswald was inside the cuban consulate (they had already said their surveillance cameras were not working) and so Castro knew the CIA could not contradict Duran and Azcues claim that it was not Oswald they had met inside the Cuban consulate.

Castro then gave the HSCA investigation two photos of unknown males of who they thought might be the imposter Oswald in order to throw off the investigation.

This would explain why Oswalds photo does indeed show up on the application form.

Margaret,

Going from memory here, but didn't Duran tell the Mexican Police right after the assassination that the "Oswald" she'd dealt with was short, blond haired, and blue-eyed?

Nikolai Leonov was 5' 7".  Oswald was 5' 9.5".

Nikolai Leonov was blond-haired.  Oswald's hair color was light-brown.

Nikolai Leonov was blue-eyed.  Oswald's eyes were "hazel" or "grey"

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Re: Did Castro coerce Duran and Azcue into the fake LHO story?
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2020, 01:48:34 AM »
Nikolai Leonov

This guys story is carried at this link: https://jfkfacts.org/senior-kgb-insider-said-lee-harvey-oswald/#more-21387

His story carries no credibility as far as i can see. He says LHO was talking about shooting up the hotel??

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Re: Did Castro coerce Duran and Azcue into the fake LHO story?
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2020, 02:25:28 AM »
This guys story is carried at this link: https://jfkfacts.org/senior-kgb-insider-said-lee-harvey-oswald/#more-21387

His story carries no credibility as far as i can see. He says LHO was talking about shooting up the hotel??

Exactly.

It's as though Leonov (at the Soviet embassy on Sunday, September 29) and Nechiporenko, Yatskov and Kostikov  (at the Soviet consulate on Friday and Saturday, September 27 and 28) were not on "the same page" regarding their lies about the "Oswald" with whom none of them probably ever met ... or ... maybe, just maybe ... Russian intelligence decided to confuse us some more, and gave us even more "material" for our never-ending tinfoil hat JFK assassination theories.

To see what I've posted about Nikolai Leonov ("The Blond Oswald In Mexico City") and his KGB colleagues, here at this fine forum as well as at the so-called Education Forum, google (simultaneously) leonov byetkov obyedkov .

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Offline Margaret Kelly

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Re: Did Castro coerce Duran and Azcue into the fake LHO story?
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2020, 02:55:39 PM »
It's as though Leonov (at the Soviet embassy on Sunday, September 29) and Nechiporenko, Yatskov and Kostikov  (at the Soviet consulate on Friday and Saturday, September 27 and 28) were not on "the same page" regarding their lies about the "Oswald" with whom none of them probably ever met

I think Nechiporenko comes across as honest enough. I don't think they were involved in anything to do with the assassination and so had nothing to hide.

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Re: Did Castro coerce Duran and Azcue into the fake LHO story?
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2020, 04:40:56 PM »
Its at 2:20 on this video:
Thanks. That Black Op piece (and frankly, Black Op is not a very credible source in my opinion) makes no sense to me.

Those two photos that the Cubans allegedly gave the HSCA (? or who?) are clearly of two different men. And who said either man said they were Oswald? The Cubans said both men said they were Oswald? And who took them? Did the Cubans have photo surveillance of their own consulate?

Two different individuals went to the Cuban consulate and said they were Oswald? And of course neither looks like Oswald in any way.

Those questions aren't for you; they're directed at the claims made in that piece you linked to.

If Castro was worried about being blamed for the assassination through Oswald's visit then why did his government release the application forms for the transit visa? It shows a photo of Oswald and handwriting experts say the signature belonged to Oswald. And, again, Duran and Mirabal both testified that the man was Oswald. Wouldn't Castro tell them too to deny it was Oswald? The Soviet officials - all KGB agents - said the man they met was Oswald. So did the real Oswald go to the Soviets but an impostor went to the Cuban consulate? Frankly, this sounds like some chicanery on the part of Cuban intelligence.

Again: this makes absolutely no sense to me as some sort of operation by Castro to prevent his government from being connected to the assassination. But, admittedly, just because it doesn't make sense doesn't mean it's not true.
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