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Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: The real Jack Ruby
« Reply #40 on: February 03, 2020, 12:11:56 AM »
And again, no one seems to be able to answer, why did he aim for stomach?

It has no earmarks of an organized crime hit. Organized crime hits don't consist of single shots to the stomach with a .38. Ever.

Why not? Because theres a 90% chance of survival.

Where do you get "90 chance of survival"?
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: The real Jack Ruby
« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2020, 01:24:53 AM »
Because he was a delusional hothead. Remember, he shot Oswald in the stomach.

"They" take out the assassin with a bullet to the stomach, giving them a 90% chance of survival (up to 98% if you can get quickly to a hospital as is the case here) and guaranteeing Oswald would spill the beans after likely surviving the attempt on his life.

Heres a study of 300 patients with abdominal gunshot wounds.

"The overall survival rate for the series was 88.3%; however, if only the 226 patients without vascular injuries are considered, the survival rate was 97.3%."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1493651/

Ruby got either very lucky or very unlucky depending on how you see it. The chances of him killing Oswald with that shot were tiny. If Jim Leavelle hadn't have pulled Oswald sideways slightly the bullet wouldn't have hit those organs and he could have easily survived. It was a total fluke that he died.

Not a mob hit.

You really should learn the basics ..... Ruby's shot damaged several vital organs.....He knew what he was doing.

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: The real Jack Ruby
« Reply #42 on: February 03, 2020, 01:35:02 AM »
You really should learn the basics ..... Ruby's shot damaged several vital organs.....He knew what he was doing.
We should accept Mr Shield's expertise/knowledge on professional mobster liquidation [for whatever it may be worth]


Offline John Tonkovich

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« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2020, 01:41:13 AM »
Because he was a delusional hothead. Remember, he shot Oswald in the stomach.

"They" take out the assassin with a bullet to the stomach, giving them a 90% chance of survival (up to 98% if you can get quickly to a hospital as is the case here) and guaranteeing Oswald would spill the beans after likely surviving the attempt on his life.

Heres a study of 300 patients with abdominal gunshot wounds.

"The overall survival rate for the series was 88.3%; however, if only the 226 patients without vascular injuries are considered, the survival rate was 97.3%."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1493651/

Ruby got either very lucky or very unlucky depending on how you see it. The chances of him killing Oswald with that shot were tiny. If Jim Leavelle hadn't have pulled Oswald sideways slightly the bullet wouldn't have hit those organs and he could have easily survived. It was a total fluke that he died.

Not a mob hit.
Your study is from 1983 to 1987.  GSW treatment - especially in specialized trauma centers - advanced greatly in the 20 ( to 24) years covered in the study.

Ruby - perhaps aided by his knowledge of guns, after a history of gun running in the 50s - knew what he was doing.
And, he had been stalking his prey all weekend, beginning about 3 hours after Oswald was brought to DPD headquarters.

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Re: The real Jack Ruby
« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2020, 04:01:09 AM »
You really should learn the basics ..... Ruby's shot damaged several vital organs.....He knew what he was doing.

And the police helped by doing chest compressions.

Offline Frederick Clements

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Re: The real Jack Ruby
« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2020, 01:39:38 PM »
Ruby was likely asked by the DPD to shoot Oswald in order to close the case and prevent a trial. The DPD and the DA Henry Wade were highly corrupt.

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« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2020, 03:01:57 PM »
You really should learn the basics ..... Ruby's shot damaged several vital organs.....He knew what he was doing.

So you're telling me that Rubys three yard dash and clumsy shot while Oswald was being pulled sideways by Leavelle was actually a carefully placed shot on Rubys part, guaranteeing instant death?

If no vital organs are hit and the hemorrhage is contained, the victim will probably survive. Ruby had no way to know he was hitting Oswalds spleen, stomach, aorta, vena cava, kidney, liver and diaphragm. One in a million shot. Miraculous that Oswald was even unconscious.

Where do you get "90 chance of survival"?
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Loads of studies. Thats the standard percentage. And thats without immediate care as Oswald had. He was in Parkland within minutes.

Heres a study from July 1968 through June 1973, 277 abdominal gunshot wounds (GSWs) occurred, the overall fatality of which was 10%.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/article-abstract/581966

Heres another one of 300 consecutive patients from July 1983 through December 1987

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3421760

The overall survival rate for the series was 88.3%; however, if only the 226 patients without vascular injuries are considered, the survival rate was 97.3%.

Ruby would've had as much of a chance of killing him had he slashed his femoral artery in his leg.

Now, couple this with Ruby being in Western Union, Ruby "silencing" Oswald its a silly theory.

Next question - who silences Ruby? The notorious motor mouth.
« Last Edit: February 03, 2020, 03:26:42 PM by Ted Shields »

Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: The real Jack Ruby
« Reply #47 on: February 03, 2020, 04:51:48 PM »
So you're telling me that Rubys three yard dash and clumsy shot while Oswald was being pulled sideways by Leavelle was actually a carefully placed shot on Rubys part, guaranteeing instant death?

If no vital organs are hit and the hemorrhage is contained, the victim will probably survive. Ruby had no way to know he was hitting Oswalds spleen, stomach, aorta, vena cava, kidney, liver and diaphragm. One in a million shot. Miraculous that Oswald was even unconscious.

Loads of studies. Thats the standard percentage. And thats without immediate care as Oswald had. He was in Parkland within minutes.

Heres a study from July 1968 through June 1973, 277 abdominal gunshot wounds (GSWs) occurred, the overall fatality of which was 10%.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/article-abstract/581966

Heres another one of 300 consecutive patients from July 1983 through December 1987

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3421760

The overall survival rate for the series was 88.3%; however, if only the 226 patients without vascular injuries are considered, the survival rate was 97.3%.

Ruby would've had as much of a chance of killing him had he slashed his femoral artery in his leg.

Now, couple this with Ruby being in Western Union, Ruby "silencing" Oswald its a silly theory.

Next question - who silences Ruby? The notorious motor mouth.

Oswald autopsy:

Penetration of liver, spleen, stomach, aorta, diaphragm.

Lots of vital organs and the biggest artery.
Well placed shot, not quite "center mass, as they say. Kind of hard to go for the head, which was moving around.

Ruby began stalking Oswald at 5:00 to 6:00 p.m. He lied about this first encounter. Also about his 8a.m. , Sunday, appearance at DPD, which Ken Rahm - not a conspiracy "kook" (sic) - pointed out.

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Re: The real Jack Ruby
« Reply #48 on: February 04, 2020, 09:51:22 AM »
Oswald autopsy:

Penetration of liver, spleen, stomach, aorta, diaphragm.

Lots of vital organs and the biggest artery.
Well placed shot, not quite "center mass, as they say. Kind of hard to go for the head, which was moving around.

Ruby began stalking Oswald at 5:00 to 6:00 p.m. He lied about this first encounter. Also about his 8a.m. , Sunday, appearance at DPD, which Ken Rahm - not a conspiracy "kook" (sic) - pointed out.

"Well placed shot"?

Are you claiming he was so good he could guarantee a kill shot through those organs while himself and Oswald were walking?

Nah.

Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: The real Jack Ruby
« Reply #49 on: February 04, 2020, 02:53:38 PM »
"Well placed shot"?

Are you claiming he was so good he could guarantee a kill shot through those organs while himself and Oswald were walking?

Nah.

I'm not claiming anything.

He shot Oswald at point blank range. Effective result.

None of the studies you bring up are specific to point blank range gunshots.

 

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