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Offline Lee Wotton

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #144 on: February 18, 2018, 12:15:57 PM »
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from Conspiracy of Silence,
Dr. Charles Crenshaw [Parkland Doctor]

When the entourage had moved into the main hall, Dr. Earl Rose, chief of forensic pathology, confronted the men in suits. Roy Kellerman, the man leading the group, looked sternly at Dr. Rose and announced, ?My friend, this is the body of the President of the United States, and we are going to take it back to Washington.?

Dr. Rose bristled and replied, ?No, that?s not the way things are. When there?s a homicide, we must have an autopsy.?

?He?s the President. He?s going with us,? Kellerman barked, with increased intensity in his voice.

?The body stays,? Dr. Rose said with equal poignancy.

Kellerman took an erect stance and brought his firearm into a ready position. The other men in suits followed course by draping their coattails behind the butts of their holstered pistols. How brave of these men, wearing their Brooks Brothers suits with icons of distinction (color-coded Secret Service buttons) pinned to their lapels, willing to shoot an unarmed doctor to secure a corpse.

"My friend, my name is Roy Kellerman. I am special agent in charge of the White House detail of the Secret Service. We are taking President Kennedy back to the capitol.?

?You are not taking the body anywhere. There?s a law here. We?re going to enforce it.?

Admiral George Burkley, White House Medical Officer, said, ?Mrs. Kennedy is going to stay exactly where she is until the body is moved. We can?t have that ? he?s the President of the United States.?

?That doesn?t matter,? Dr. Rose replied rigidly. ?You can?t lose the chain of evidence.?

For the second time that day, there was little doubt in my mind as to the significance of what was happening before me.

?Goddammit, get your ass out of the way before you get hurt,? screamed another one of the men in suits. Another snapped, ?We?re taking the body, now.?

Strange, I thought, this President is getting more protection dead than he did when he was alive.

Had Dr. Rose not stepped aside I?m sure that those thugs would have shot him. They would have killed me and anyone else who got in their way. Dr. Kemp Clark wanted to physically detain the coffin, but the men with guns acted like tough guys with specific orders. A period of twenty-seven years has neither erased the fear that I felt nor diminished the impression that that incident made upon me.

They loaded the casket into the hearse, Jacqueline got into the backseat, placed her hand on top of the coffin, and bowed her head. As they drove off, I felt that a thirty-year-old surgeon had seen more than his share for one day.

Great post Michael thank you

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
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Offline Lee Wotton

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #145 on: February 18, 2018, 12:25:01 PM »
Getting back to the OP let take just the number of shots and ignore for a moment the locations shots were fired from.  Ignore for now the sequence of shots just look at the number from the evidence:

- Missed shot; Tague injury that even the WC and FBI had to take on board.
- JFK head shot
- JFK front throat shot
- JFK back shot near right shoulder
- Connallys back shot exiting through front of suit coat
- Connallys right wrist shot
- Connallys left thigh shot
- Bullet hole in limo windshield
- Significant bullet dent in windshield chrome frame
- Many way concrete surround bullet strike as opposed to the kerb strike (one resulted in Tagues injury)
- Bullet found in Parkland in real good condition after causing how many injuries.
- Bullet fragments found in carpet in front of limo and under jump seats


How can this be reduced to 3 shots only and one being a miss?


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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #146 on: February 18, 2018, 06:49:58 PM »
Giving  effect  to  this  intention,  it  is  our  opinion  that  the  term  ?offi?cer?  appearing  in  18 U.S.C.  ? 372  includes both  permanent  and  tempo?rary,  full-and  part-time officers  and  employees  of  the  United  States.

are you calling the POTUS an "officer"? [that is what provides "The Honorable" in the title he appoints to others]
where is that he is an officer?  or better yet where does the code say President?


...or that Federal jurisdiction supersedes

18 U.S. Code ? 372 - Conspiracy to impede or injure officer
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/372

"If two or more persons in any State, Territory, Possession, or District conspire to prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof, or to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave the place, where his duties as an officer are required to be performed, or to injure him in his person or property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his office, or while engaged in the lawful discharge thereof, or to injure his property so as to molest, interrupt, hinder, or impede him in the discharge of his official duties, each of such persons shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six years, or both."
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 701; Pub. L. 107?273, div. B, title IV, ? 4002(d)(1)(D), Nov. 2, 2002, 116 Stat. 1809.)

John F. Kennedy held the office of the President of the United States of America.

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #147 on: February 18, 2018, 11:46:40 PM »

"IF two or more persons"? "...imprisoned not more than six years?"
yea so?

Conspiracy to impede or injure an officer of the United States is a Federal offense.

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or to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave the place, where his duties as an officer are required to be performed, or to injure him in his person or property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his office, or while engaged in the lawful discharge thereof, or to injure his property so as to molest, interrupt, hinder, or impede him in the discharge of his official duties, each of such persons shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six years, or both."

The President is NOT an officer of the United States
and so how does any of this allow them to take the body?...

What part of "duties of his office" don't you understand? The President is an officer of the United States. He is the Chief Executive Officer. He took an oath of office before assuming that role. He is the Commander in Chief of the US military. Give it up Capasse.

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #148 on: February 19, 2018, 05:02:46 AM »

Officer of the United States
An officer of the United States is a functionary of the executive or judicial branches of the federal government of the United States to whom is delegated some part of the country's sovereign power. The term "officer of the United States" is not a title, but a term of classification for a certain type of official.

With a limited number of exceptions, all officers of the United States are appointed by the President and are subject to the approval of the Senate unless it chooses not to require such approval. Civilian officers of the United States are entitled to preface their names with the honorific style "the Honorable" for life; though in practice, this rarely occurs.

Officers of the United States should not be confused with employees of the United States; the latter are more numerous and lack the special legal authority of the former.     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Officer_of_the_United_States

US Code Title 18 is very specific throughout when referring to
"....Officers, Employees, and Elected Officials of the Executive and Legislative branches.." [esp Pres. & VP]

And are not referring to the POTUS in 18 U.S. Code ? 372 - Conspiracy to impede or injure officer
or that Federal jurisdiction supersedes TX State law in the removal of this body in 1963...

That's from a Wikipedia article. I reject it as unreliable.

Here's something that you probably overlooked in the Memorandum for the Attorney General:

Objection to the multifaceted conspiracy bill, of which this provision was a part, centered on its application to conspiracies to overthrow the Government of the United States;

It's important to keep that in mind.

The President is the Chief Executive Officer of the United States as well as the Commander in Chief. Your argument is silly.  However, if we were to assume for the sake of argument that he was not, strictly speaking, an Officer of the United States, the removal of JFK's body from Dallas would still be covered under 18 U.S. Code ? 372. As the Memorandum for the Attorney General noted, the terms "office" and "officer" have broad readings.

The term "officer",appearing in 18 U.S.C. ? 372 includes both permanent and temporary, full- and part-time officers and employees of the United States.


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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #149 on: February 19, 2018, 08:58:15 PM »
The POTUS is all three.

Haha and the SS knew it was a conspiracy because they were part of it Tim.  They even had an officer at the DPD why was that then?

What do you say to all the so called errors the SS made that day that they didn't make on preceding days?  And don't say JFK requested he be driven at too low a speed past high buildings with the windows open!!  For example!!

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #150 on: February 19, 2018, 10:12:26 PM »
It's not possible to drive though a city avoiding high buildings with open windows.

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #151 on: February 19, 2018, 11:15:19 PM »
Haha and the SS knew it was a conspiracy because they were part of it Tim.  They even had an officer at the DPD why was that then?

They had an officer at the DPD? What does that even mean?

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What do you say to all the so called errors the SS made that day that they didn't make on preceding days?  And don't say JFK requested he be driven at too low a speed past high buildings with the windows open!!  For example!!

What errors did the Secret Service make that day that they didn't make on preceding days?