Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?

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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2019, 04:06:25 PM »
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Mr Scully doesn't want Mr Oswald's alibi to be established because no glory would accrue to Mr Scully from that... Pure narcissism!

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2019, 04:07:42 PM »
Mr Mitcham was quite right to ask the question! And the answer to your question, Mr Freeman, is yes-------the lunchroom encounter story was contrived.

Mr Oswald, we now know, actually told Captain Fritz he had visited the second-floor lunchroom for a coke before the assassination and then went back down to the first floor to eat his lunch... and then 'went outside to watch P. parade'. Captain Fritz & co. kept these explosive claims a secret----------and the truth only came out very recently. when Agent Hosty's notes were unearthed!

Officer Baker encountered Mr Oswald at the front entrance to the building. He needed to know if Mr Oswald was an employee so he could show him the way to the stairs. Mr Truly then intervened and offered to escort Officer Baker.

There may have been no 'man walking away from the stairway' on the 'third or fourth floor'------------Officer Baker may have been told 'We have the assassin, he worked in the building, we need you to add him to your story'.

And then----------while Officer Baker is giving his affidavit statement based on a suspect description handed to him----------who is brought in past him only the guy he ran into at the front door!!

Does Officer Baker's affidavit note that the man in handcuffs was the man on the third or fourth floor? No.
Does Officer Baker identify Mr Oswald in a subsequent lineup as the man on the third or fourth floor? No.

Most likely Officer Baker agreed to invent an encounter with an employee by the back stairs up a few floors, but----------when he found out that the employee being accused of shooting JFK was an employee who couldn't possibly have been up on the sixth floor at the time-----------he was stunned. It would explain why he took so long to put his name to the official story!

But! If Officer Baker really did encounter a man walking away from the stairway a few floors up, it was someone involved in the assassination. Which raises the question: Why did Mr Truly vouch for him as an employee?
 
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Most likely Officer Baker agreed to invent an encounter with an employee by the back stairs up a few floors,

Nonsense!....  Baker was simply a motorcycle patrolman who responded immediately when he heard the sound of rifle shots.  He wasn't involved in anyway and only started lying as his superiors wanted after he had given his sworn affidavit. 

Baker did encounter Lee in the second floor lunchroom, but the encounter was so mundane and innocuous he simply dismissed it as being important when he wrote his affidavit.  However, he did recall seeing a man on either the third or fourth floor ( could have been the fifth) . The reason he recalled seeing the man was because the man was being furtive and trying to duck out of sight.   ( an indication of guilt)   The man (Jack Dougherty ?) apparently had been headed down stairs on the stairway when he heard Baker ascending, and he saw Baker's white helmet.  He immediately tried to get out of sight but Baker spotted him and ordered him to come back to the stairs. ( he was by the elevator and only about twenty feet away)   

If Officer Baker really did encounter a man walking away from the stairway a few floors up, it was someone involved in the assassination. Which raises the question: Why did Mr Truly vouch for him as an employee?

 "it was someone involved in the assassination."

Yes, I think you're right....

Why did Mr Truly vouch for him as an employee?

Because Roy Truly was also involved.... I believe the man was Jack Dougherty and Truly was afraid that the slow witted Dougherty would start telling Baker about hiding a rifle up on the sixth floor. So Truly intervened immediately when Baker started asking questions.


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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2019, 04:34:34 PM »
Most likely Officer Baker agreed to invent an encounter with an employee by the back stairs up a few floors,

Nonsense!....  Baker was simply a motorcycle patrolman who responded immediately when he heard the sound of rifle shots.  He wasn't involved in anyway and only started lying as his superiors wanted after he had given his sworn affidavit. 

Baker did encounter Lee in the second floor lunchroom, but the encounter was so mundane and innocuous he simply dismissed it as being important when he wrote his affidavit. 
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Uhhh.... he drew his service revolver, allegedly holding it just inches from a subject's torso, in the presence of the subject's employer, inside their place of business. How many times per day, or for that matter, in an entire career did a Dallas patrol officer have occasion to do that, in the line of duty?

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2019, 04:48:48 PM »
Uhhh.... he drew his service revolver, allegedly holding it just inches from a subject's torso, in the presence of the subject's employer, inside their place of business. How many times per day, or for that matter, in an entire career did a Dallas patrol officer have occasion to do that, in the line of duty?

If you believe that 'a man walking away from the stairway' on 'the third or fourth floor' was Mr Oswald by the second-floor lunchroom, then you'll believe anything. Explains a lot really!

Now, Mr Scully, I've a massively important research project for you!
  • Who designed the lunchroom?
  • Were they related in any way to the person who delivered the coke machine?
  • Can such a link, if established, be related to the Janney thing?
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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2019, 04:53:39 PM »
Uhhh.... he drew his service revolver, allegedly holding it just inches from a subject's torso, in the presence of the subject's employer, inside their place of business. How many times per day, or for that matter, in an entire career did a Dallas patrol officer have occasion to do that, in the line of duty?

     Baker did Not "drew his service revolver" when he came upon/saw Oswald. Baker had the gun already drawn as he was going up the stairwell. Not sure what your law enforcement background may be, but on-the-ground law enforcement draw their weapon often. Actually firing a drawn weapon is far rarer. Nowadays, with tazzers etc, the drawing of a weapon even more frequent.

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2019, 05:17:52 PM »
I've noticed in others threads that Scully is now seeking to pad his buddy list with WC apologists...

Yep! They flatter him and he happily becomes their useful id*ot.

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2019, 05:36:00 PM »
Uhhh.... he drew his service revolver, allegedly holding it just inches from a subject's torso, in the presence of the subject's employer, inside their place of business. How many times per day, or for that matter, in an entire career did a Dallas patrol officer have occasion to do that, in the line of duty?

What's your point?.....  Baker was alarmed and alert....   And I'm happy that you used the modifier "allegedly"  in saying,  "he drew his service revolver, allegedly holding it just inches from a subject's torso,"   I have serious doubt that Baker pointed his revolver at the coke sippin man in the lunchroom. I don't doubt that he had the gun in his hand, but I believe the story about having the gun pointed at Lee Oswald is just a figment of the LNer's imagination.    Who want it to appear that Baker was suspicious when he saw Lee Oswald sippin a coke.   What a pile of BS!...  If Baker had been suspicious of Lee, he wouldn't have turned and left about 15 seconds after he entered.

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2019, 06:41:07 PM »
As late as 12/23 a DPD evidence report has Baker running into LHO on the stairway on the third or fourth floor.


What does Baker noting that the LHO he saw at the DPD homocide office was wearing different clothes than when he ran into him in the TSBD mean?

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2019, 06:47:43 PM »
As late as 12/23 a DPD evidence report has Baker running into LHO on the stairway on the third or fourth floor.


Captain Fritz wrote this for Chief Curry, Mr Craig. He's still stuck in Script A mode here, recounting the original story DPD were going to run with.

Captain Fritz's wording ('while coming down the stairs... on the stairway') makes clear what Baker's affidavit 'walking away from the stairway' was meant to convey:

The man was coming off the stairway when Officer Baker ran into him.

Nothing like the lunchroom story that subsequently... 'emerged'!

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2019, 06:54:05 PM »
If you believe that 'a man walking away from the stairway' on 'the third or fourth floor' was Mr Oswald by the second-floor lunchroom, then you'll believe anything. Explains a lot really!

Now, Mr Scully, I've a massively important research project for you!
  • Who designed the lunchroom?
  • Were they related in any way to the person who delivered the coke machine?
  • Can such a link, if established, be related to the Janney thing?
Get this right, Mr Scully, and your Amazing Research might be Credited In Even More Books!  Thumb1:

If you believe that 'a man walking away from the stairway' on 'the third or fourth floor' was Mr Oswald by the second-floor lunchroom, then you'll believe anything.

Well said, Mr Ford....   Anybody who believes that Baker was referring to the encounter with Lee in the lunchroom when he described the man on either the third or fourth floor ( possibly the fifth) ....Should have their picture next to the definition of "gullible" .......

There's something about Baker's encounter with the man who was trying to avoid being seen that is generally never mentioned....We know that the second floor lunchroom was well lit.  ( many photos reveal the lighting)   But Baker said that he couldn't see the man when he was by the elevator because the area was not well lit....  Thus he commanded the man to come to the stairs where there was a window with sunshine streaming in.

 

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