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Online Michael Walton

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1820 on: May 06, 2019, 04:39:41 PM »
JI - Even if PP was Stanton, this would tell you nothing about where Oswald was.

Touche. Two independent note-takers independently wrote "out front P. parade" [paraphrasing here] during the interviews.

That *has* to mean something and possibly mean something more than the identity of the person in the vestibule.

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« Reply #1820 on: May 06, 2019, 04:39:41 PM »

Offline Larry Trotter

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1821 on: May 06, 2019, 05:29:12 PM »
JI - Even if PP was Stanton, this would tell you nothing about where Oswald was.

Touche. Two independent note-takers independently wrote "out front P. parade" [paraphrasing here] during the interviews.

That *has* to mean something and possibly mean something more than the identity of the person in the vestibule.

As two independent eyewitnesses, TSBD Bldg Superintendent RoyTruly and DPD MotorcyclePatrolOfficer MarrionBaker, confirmed in testimony under oath, LeeHarveyOswald was encountered at the SecondFloorLunchRoom about 90 to 120 seconds after the shooting/assassination, IIRC.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1821 on: May 06, 2019, 05:29:12 PM »

Offline Ray Mitcham

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« Reply #1822 on: May 06, 2019, 07:09:34 PM »
As two independent eyewitnesses, TSBD Bldg Superintendent RoyTruly and DPD MotorcyclePatrolOfficer MarrionBaker, confirmed in testimony under oath, LeeHarveyOswald was encountered at the SecondFloorLunchRoom about 90 to 120 seconds after the shooting/assassination, IIRC.

Why,in his same day affidavit, did your independent witness,  Marion Baker state  "As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket." ?

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« Reply #1822 on: May 06, 2019, 07:09:34 PM »

Online Michael Walton

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1823 on: May 06, 2019, 08:29:56 PM »
BRIAN - We've proven Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...

Brian, the person up in the shadows is not a 300 lb. woman. I think if you showed that to a six-year-old and asked him/her "Do you think that's a fat person" I believe they'd say no. It's elementary.

Fritz's "out front with Shelley" is the other independent note that corroborates Hosty's.

Further, Davidson's "enhancements" cannot "enhance" grainy footage. The best type of enhancement I've ever seen of footage that is not so great was done at NASA during the Challenger disaster. Blowing up a frame of film in Photoshop that shows a great distance is not going to do it, no matter how much contrast and brightness and sharpen Davidson (or I for that matter) add to the frame. They only way we'll ever know if to get a frame from the film negative and I don't think that's ever going to happen for whatever reason.

Larry - your reply is just a tad disingenuous. You mention Truly and the cop. Seriously? You know damn well I mean that the Hosty and Fritz notes describe what LHO was going *when Kennedy came by the building* NOT 30 to 60 seconds later.

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« Reply #1823 on: May 06, 2019, 08:29:56 PM »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1824 on: May 07, 2019, 12:17:59 AM »
A little more shadow contrast first, and then a general contrast adjustment and that would be as far as I go:
Afterwards, use the densitometer to find like values in the (image where the white object is larger/more clear and square) face and right arm.


In the following,
Every 1 foot back from the landing edge equaled an approx 1 inch reduction in height from the camera perspective.
An example would be the straddle height compared to six feet back from the landing edge.
The steps were 7" in rise.



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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1824 on: May 07, 2019, 12:17:59 AM »

Offline Zeon Mason

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« Reply #1825 on: May 07, 2019, 11:43:01 AM »
Which side of the front steps did Baker ascend?

Where was Sarah Staunton standing, if Prayerperson is Oswald?

Which side of the front steps did Gloria Cavalry stop at, to make her exclamation? The side with people going up, with their backs to her, or the side where persons she knows, are standing FACING her, and are stationary?

If Sarah is standing behind BWF, during Wiegman and Darnell films, she is  BLOCKNG the front door. Thus, Sarah would have to either move to the west towards Prayerperson or move east towards Pauline Sanders, to be out of the way of Baker/Truly entering the door.

IF Sarah leaves the landing entirely by entering into the front lobby, BEFORE Baker/Truly get to the door, then she would have likely been gone before Gloria Cavalry has reached the front steps.  BWF remembers Sarah being "to his left" at the time when Cavalry has reached the steps and implies they BOTH heard Cavalry exclaiming. So this makes an early Sarah departure into the lobby, less probable.

If Oswald is PM. Sarah Staunton, moving west, almost into his space, and not remembering Oswald, = improbable.  Moving towards PM, makes Sarah, even MORE an obstacle to the flow of persons coming up the steps= increasingly improbable. Not seeing Baker and Truly coming up this side of steps and them likewise mssing the 300 lb woman in their way= nearing zero probability.

Sarah moving east, away from the front door, towards Pauline Sanders,imo is the most probable hypothetical option if PM is Oswald. This is predicated on Sarah obscured from view behind BWF, having her LOS blocked, and thus Sarah missed seeing Baker,while Pauline, from her east corner, may have had LOS to Baker "approaching" across the 30 ft approx of sidewalk. When Cavalry reaches the lower step and probably stops to right side, where persons are standing facing her, then BWF and Staunton are looking in this direction. Sarah has now moved adjacent to Pauline, thus is between BWF and Pauiine. Both BWF and Sarah  miss Baker ascending the left side, he now obscured into the "flow' of persons moving up.

Absent any other photographic evidence that more certainly identifies Sarah Stauntons location on the landing during the time of Wiegman and Darnell film capturing the image of PM, or some other evidence placing Sarah Staunton in the front lobby before Truly/Baker enter, then the above hypothetical logical deductive reasons given by Zeon Mason, must remain speculative :)
« Last Edit: May 07, 2019, 11:59:45 AM by Zeon Mason »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1825 on: May 07, 2019, 11:43:01 AM »

Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1826 on: May 07, 2019, 04:01:38 PM »
Sarah moving east, away from the front door, towards Pauline Sanders,imo is the most probable hypothetical option if PM is Oswald. This is predicated on Sarah obscured from view behind BWF, having her LOS blocked, and thus Sarah missed seeing Baker,while Pauline, from her east corner, may have had LOS to Baker "approaching" across the 30 ft approx of sidewalk.

Why do you think that Sarah didn't see Baker?

P.S. it's Stanton, not Staunton.

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« Reply #1826 on: May 07, 2019, 04:01:38 PM »

Online Michael Walton

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1827 on: May 07, 2019, 11:59:51 PM »
Yeah, dead ringer.   ::)


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BAAAWAAAHAHHAHAAAA! OMFG!! Life According to Brian. And the icing on cake is he's investigating Hendrix's "murder."  HAHAHAAA!

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« Reply #1827 on: May 07, 2019, 11:59:51 PM »

Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1828 on: May 08, 2019, 12:02:54 AM »
BAAAWAAAHAHHAHAAAA! OMFG!! Life According to Brian. And the icing on cake is he's investigating Hendrix's "murder."  HAHAHAAA!

He used "linguistic forensics" to solve that one too.   :D

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« Reply #1828 on: May 08, 2019, 12:02:54 AM »

Offline Mark A. Oblazney

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1829 on: May 08, 2019, 08:54:54 AM »
BAAAWAAAHAHHAHAAAA! OMFG!! Life According to Brian. And the icing on cake is he's investigating Hendrix's "murder."  HAHAHAAA!

It's definitely Mary Tyler Moore.  I said that on the old PrayerDude thread.  You should put that one back up, Duncan.  Let Ralph Stinky and Albert have at it again, just for old times' sake.

 

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