Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?


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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #224 on: August 04, 2022, 12:04:46 AM »
The testimony from a variety of sources all corroborate the 2nd floor lunchroom encounter, as they say in the classics "All roads lead to Rome".
And as for Baker being confused about the floor he was on is perfectly understandable because he first walks up steps to get into the Depository and then enters a closed stairwell which has a set of stairs leading to a platform and then he leaves the platform and walks up another set of stairs to the next floor.
In other words Baker was just a dumbass cop and couldn't count floor entries. 

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #225 on: August 14, 2022, 10:45:20 AM »
David Belin was the one who lied. He suppressed mutually corroborating eyewitness testimony that Oswald could not have been on the stairs in the first 60 seconds after the shooting and that therefore there was no way Oswald could have been on the sixth floor during the assassination. This is covered thoroughly in the new documentary JFK Revisited.

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #226 on: August 19, 2022, 04:04:21 AM »
David Belin was the one who lied. He suppressed mutually corroborating eyewitness testimony that Oswald could not have been on the stairs in the first 60 seconds after the shooting and that therefore there was no way Oswald could have been on the sixth floor during the assassination. This is covered thoroughly in the new documentary JFK Revisited.

There was no mutually corroborating eyewitness testimony that Oswald could not have been on the stairs in the first 60 seconds after the shooting. None. Zero. Nada. JFK Revisited doesn't provide any. Barry Ernest changes one part of his story about what Dorothy Garner told him in order to close a gap in his Girl on the Stairs narrative that would have allowed Oswald to slip through it. Of course, Victoria Adams own WC testimony rules out an early descent by her and Styles. Styles herself was adamant that they stayed at the window on the fourth floor for no less than a minute.



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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #227 on: August 19, 2022, 04:47:08 AM »
There was no mutually corroborating eyewitness testimony that Oswald could not have been on the stairs in the first 60 seconds after the shooting. None. Zero. Nada. JFK Revisited doesn't provide any. Barry Ernest changes one part of his story about what Dorothy Garner told him in order to close a gap in his Girl on the Stairs narrative that would have allowed Oswald to slip through it. Of course, Victoria Adams own WC testimony rules out an early descent by her and Styles. Styles herself was adamant that they stayed at the window on the fourth floor for no less than a minute.



So? What does that really suppose to prove? Apparently the testimony was bothersome to the Warren cause or it would not have been classified Top Secret. 
According to the inference of the Report...Oswald turned into a shadow that no one saw or heard [after he wiped off and hid the rifle]

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #228 on: August 19, 2022, 04:54:12 AM »
So? What does that really suppose to prove? Apparently the testimony was bothersome to the Warren cause or it would not have been classified Top Secret. 
According to the inference of the Report...Oswald turned into a shadow that no one saw or heard [after he wiped off and hid the rifle]

Almost all of the testimonies were classified as Top Secret. Adams' testimony wasn't bothersome to the WC. I doubt that it would have been even without the references of the encounter with Lovelady and Shelley.

I have no reason to believe that Oswald wiped off his rifle. Oswald didn't turn into a shadow either. No one was on or near the stairs when he descended down to the second floor.

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #229 on: August 19, 2022, 05:58:32 AM »
Almost all of the testimonies were classified as Top Secret.
Please cite evidence of that.
 
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Adams' testimony wasn't bothersome to the WC.
Perhaps..just cite the evidence to the previous request.
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I have no reason to believe that Oswald wiped off his rifle. 
I see. Then Oswald's should have been easily found...if in fact Oswald was the shooter right?
But yet---
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Mr. McCLOY. Am I to understand your testimony, Lieutenant, about the fingerprints to be you said you were positive---you couldn't make a positive identification, but it was your opinion that these were the fingerprints of Lee Oswald?
Mr. DAY. Well, actually in fingerprinting it either is or is not the man. So I wouldn't say those were his prints.
The FBLie couldn't do any better stating that the poor quality of the wood and metal was not conducive to retaining fingerprints.
If the thing was in such poor quality...how did it shoot?
A bum like Oswald couldn't have done it.
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No one was on or near the stairs when he descended down to the second floor.
Same thing as with the Tippit encounter...he has to hurry up and get to the lunchroom before Truly and Baker does.
How could he have known that he must do this?

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #230 on: August 19, 2022, 04:32:46 PM »
Please cite evidence of that.
 Perhaps..just cite the evidence to the previous request.I see. Then Oswald's should have been easily found...if in fact Oswald was the shooter right?
But yet---The FBLie couldn't do any better stating that the poor quality of the wood and metal was not conducive to retaining fingerprints.
If the thing was in such poor quality...how did it shoot?
A bum like Oswald couldn't have done it.Same thing as with the Tippit encounter...he has to hurry up and get to the lunchroom before Truly and Baker does.
How could he have known that he must do this?


The FBLie couldn't do any better stating that the poor quality of the wood and metal was not conducive to retaining fingerprints.

Does the metal appear to be "poor quality" ?..... Do you believe that the metal wouldn't have been "conducive to retaining fingerprints"?

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #231 on: August 20, 2022, 01:19:04 PM »
Please cite evidence of that.

https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/finding-aids/jfk-key-persons

Not all of those listed gave depositions or testified before the WC. Of those who did, not all of their testimonies are included in their folders. There are some marked as Confidential and some without any classification, but a great many of them were marked as Top Secret. Just starting down from the top, I see Top Secret on the transcripts of the testimonies of Adrian Alba, Don Archer,  Andrew Armstrong, Charles Arnett, Tommy Bargas, W.E Barnes, Colin Barnhorst, Charles Batchelor, Pauline Bates, B.L. Beaty.......

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I see. Then Oswald's should have been easily found...if in fact Oswald was the shooter right?

Wrong.

Contrary to portrayals in the movies and on television, fingerprints are not always easy to find on certain items of evidence. In the author's experience identifiable fingerprints are found on guns, knives, clubs, and the like in less than 10 percent of the cases.

https://www.bevfitchett.us/forensic-science/firearms-and-fingerprints-in-the-crime-lab.html

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