Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?

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Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #220 on: February 13, 2020, 06:07:09 PM »
After further review...there is a separate staircase around the corner of the entrance that went up to the second floor to a maze of offices and hallways. As far as 'my experience' goes...the TSBD was built as a farm machinery warehouse in around 1910. So, in modern buildings, we know that usually the first access to upper floors are elevators. Presently, the old TSBD are Dallas County offices [except for the museum areas]

there is a separate staircase around the corner of the entrance that went up to the second floor to a maze of offices and hallways.

What would the logical thing for a police officer ( or anybody) to do, if they entered the building and wanted to get to the upper floors ??

Would they have looked for the arrows that pointed to the stairs to the upper floors? ....Or would they have stood there scratching heir head in trying to decide how to get upstairs?

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #221 on: February 13, 2020, 06:51:24 PM »
What would the logical thing for a police officer ( or anybody) to do, if they entered the building and wanted to get to the upper floors ??
According to the story...a man told the cop that he was the bldg manager--and to follow him.

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« Reply #221 on: February 13, 2020, 06:51:24 PM »

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #222 on: February 13, 2020, 08:00:10 PM »
According to the story...a man told the cop that he was the bldg manager--and to follow him.

Thank you, Jerry, and yes that is the official tale.... But does it make sense ??   When Baker ran into the TSBD he would have been looking for a way to get upstairs ASAP.  And the stairs to the second floor were clearly marked with an arrow ( Baker would have had no way of knowing that the stairs only went to the second floor and then the passageway through the second floor was blocked by a swinging gate that had a latch)   It is logical that at this point Baker might have asked anybody at hand ( like Roy Truly) how to get to the roof......Or perhaps Baker had already gone to the second floor and found that he could not get through and returned to the first floor.....I don't know ...but the official tale just smells a bit fishy....     

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #223 on: February 13, 2020, 08:27:34 PM »
The card is linked to Oswald, per the assassination investigation and Tippit murder investigation. The only evidence linking same or similar card to Nagell is a photocopy of unknown provenance.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49560/m1/1/?q=oswald%20identification



http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/W%20Disk/White%20Jack/Item%2008.pdf


Who can explain the reason the "official looking" circular "stamp" to fill the quarter round space at the right hand corner of the ID photo was made by using a quarter dollar US coin and a date stamp....    If you doubt that the "stamp was made by using a quarter and an ink pad...Just get a good copy of the document and you can read the word QUARTER  ( spelled backwards ) and you can scale the photo to find that the round "stamp" is exactly the size of a quarter.


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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #224 on: August 04, 2022, 12:04:46 AM »
The testimony from a variety of sources all corroborate the 2nd floor lunchroom encounter, as they say in the classics "All roads lead to Rome".
And as for Baker being confused about the floor he was on is perfectly understandable because he first walks up steps to get into the Depository and then enters a closed stairwell which has a set of stairs leading to a platform and then he leaves the platform and walks up another set of stairs to the next floor.
In other words Baker was just a dumbass cop and couldn't count floor entries. 

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #225 on: August 14, 2022, 10:45:20 AM »
David Belin was the one who lied. He suppressed mutually corroborating eyewitness testimony that Oswald could not have been on the stairs in the first 60 seconds after the shooting and that therefore there was no way Oswald could have been on the sixth floor during the assassination. This is covered thoroughly in the new documentary JFK Revisited.

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #226 on: August 19, 2022, 04:04:21 AM »
David Belin was the one who lied. He suppressed mutually corroborating eyewitness testimony that Oswald could not have been on the stairs in the first 60 seconds after the shooting and that therefore there was no way Oswald could have been on the sixth floor during the assassination. This is covered thoroughly in the new documentary JFK Revisited.

There was no mutually corroborating eyewitness testimony that Oswald could not have been on the stairs in the first 60 seconds after the shooting. None. Zero. Nada. JFK Revisited doesn't provide any. Barry Ernest changes one part of his story about what Dorothy Garner told him in order to close a gap in his Girl on the Stairs narrative that would have allowed Oswald to slip through it. Of course, Victoria Adams own WC testimony rules out an early descent by her and Styles. Styles herself was adamant that they stayed at the window on the fourth floor for no less than a minute.



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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #226 on: August 19, 2022, 04:04:21 AM »

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #227 on: August 19, 2022, 04:47:08 AM »
There was no mutually corroborating eyewitness testimony that Oswald could not have been on the stairs in the first 60 seconds after the shooting. None. Zero. Nada. JFK Revisited doesn't provide any. Barry Ernest changes one part of his story about what Dorothy Garner told him in order to close a gap in his Girl on the Stairs narrative that would have allowed Oswald to slip through it. Of course, Victoria Adams own WC testimony rules out an early descent by her and Styles. Styles herself was adamant that they stayed at the window on the fourth floor for no less than a minute.



So? What does that really suppose to prove? Apparently the testimony was bothersome to the Warren cause or it would not have been classified Top Secret. 
According to the inference of the Report...Oswald turned into a shadow that no one saw or heard [after he wiped off and hid the rifle]

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #228 on: August 19, 2022, 04:54:12 AM »
So? What does that really suppose to prove? Apparently the testimony was bothersome to the Warren cause or it would not have been classified Top Secret. 
According to the inference of the Report...Oswald turned into a shadow that no one saw or heard [after he wiped off and hid the rifle]

Almost all of the testimonies were classified as Top Secret. Adams' testimony wasn't bothersome to the WC. I doubt that it would have been even without the references of the encounter with Lovelady and Shelley.

I have no reason to believe that Oswald wiped off his rifle. Oswald didn't turn into a shadow either. No one was on or near the stairs when he descended down to the second floor.

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #228 on: August 19, 2022, 04:54:12 AM »

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #229 on: August 19, 2022, 05:58:32 AM »
Almost all of the testimonies were classified as Top Secret.
Please cite evidence of that.
 
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Adams' testimony wasn't bothersome to the WC.
Perhaps..just cite the evidence to the previous request.
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I have no reason to believe that Oswald wiped off his rifle. 
I see. Then Oswald's should have been easily found...if in fact Oswald was the shooter right?
But yet---
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Mr. McCLOY. Am I to understand your testimony, Lieutenant, about the fingerprints to be you said you were positive---you couldn't make a positive identification, but it was your opinion that these were the fingerprints of Lee Oswald?
Mr. DAY. Well, actually in fingerprinting it either is or is not the man. So I wouldn't say those were his prints.
The FBLie couldn't do any better stating that the poor quality of the wood and metal was not conducive to retaining fingerprints.
If the thing was in such poor quality...how did it shoot?
A bum like Oswald couldn't have done it.
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No one was on or near the stairs when he descended down to the second floor.
Same thing as with the Tippit encounter...he has to hurry up and get to the lunchroom before Truly and Baker does.
How could he have known that he must do this?

 

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