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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #520 on: February 12, 2020, 07:31:42 AM »
Pat Speer went into great detail on this. He has found plenty of evidence to the contrary. No one here (crazy CTers and of course the Nutters) will of course bother reading the link below but if you really want to learn how it was virtually impossible for Oswald to have done what he was accused of doing in that very tight time frame and with so many people around, then read this very carefully.

http://www.patspeer.com/chapter4b%3A%22theso-calledevidence%22

Lance Payette seems like a nice guy. I gave him some advice when he traveled to DC a while back on a nice unknown site to see down there (the FDR memorial) and he said he enjoyed it afterward. But as for this case, Lance is nothing if not a walking contradiction. He claims to be a genius attorney who believes in no conspiracy anywhere, no UFOs (rightfully so) but also believes there is some higher up fairy out there controlling the universe with nothing more to believe in than "faith."

The problem with Lance is that for all of his so-called lawyerly prowess, he simply cannot shake it that things were a little too perfect, too pat, on 11/22. Any lawyer worth their salt - putting all of the other batshit craziness of this case aside - would have found plenty of oddities in this case that go beyond mere coincidence.


Do you agree 100% with Speer?

Offline Gerry Down

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #521 on: April 13, 2020, 01:46:53 PM »
It is pathetic seeing people who call themselves the main adult researchers avoiding the common sense fact that Arnold saw Oswald at 12:25 and Baker & Truly saw him 6 minutes later because he was in the lunch room the whole time in between...It is pathetic seeing people who refer to themselves as the going mainstream researchers ignore this because their childish egos signed on to Parker's bogus Prayer Man theory...

Well she first said she saw him near the front door on the first floor. This is the only way Oswald could have been anywhere near Junior and Norman. He couldn't have seen them if he was in the 2nd floor lunch room. So you need to make up your mind, was Arnold telling the truth the first time or the second time. That's not a great question to have to ask of someones credibility you're relying on, when there is more circumstantial evidence Oswald was on the 6th floor pulling the trigger.

Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #522 on: April 13, 2020, 01:58:19 PM »
Well she first said she saw him near the front door on the first floor. This is the only way Oswald could have been anywhere near Junior and Norman. He couldn't have seen them if he was in the 2nd floor lunch room. So you need to make up your mind, was Arnold telling the truth the first time or the second time. That's not a great question to have to ask of someones credibility you're relying on, when there is more circumstantial evidence Oswald was on the 6th floor pulling the trigger.

Well she first said she saw him near the front door on the first floor.

Actually, you don't know what she really said. All you've got to go on are two FBI reports which Arnold never read or signed.
If I remember correctly, Oswald told his interrogators that he ate his lunch in the Domino room, on the first floor, and then went upstairs to get a soda in the 2nd floor lunchroom.

Junior and Norman passed through the shipping area (visible from the Domino room) anywhere between 12.20 and 12.25 and Carolyn Arnold, according to one FBI report saw Oswald at around 12.25 pm at the second floor lunchroom. There seems to be no discrepancy there.

The problem with all this is of course that Oswald never had an opportunity to show the investigators in an reenactment where he was exactly and what he saw there, so that it could be matched up and verified with what witnesses like Junior, Norman and Arnold were saying. As it stands all we have are conflicting reports from the interrogators which, because of the contradictions, are being dismissed as Oswald's lies, when in fact those contradictions could simply have been the result of a misunderstanding or a consequence of the interrogators not knowing the lay out of the TSBD. Had the interrogators been familiar with that lay out they would have known that you can't walk through the Domino room as it only has one entrance. All we are left with are some notes from the interrogators with nobody taking the trouble to ask follow up questions for clarification. It is by no means a perfect record!

when there is more circumstantial evidence Oswald was on the 6th floor pulling the trigger.

What circumstantial evidence, except for wishful thinking, is there that Oswald was on the 6th floor at 12.30?
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #523 on: April 13, 2020, 03:08:23 PM »
Well she first said she saw him near the front door on the first floor.

Actually, you don't know what she really said. All you've got to go on are two FBI reports which Arnold never read or signed.
If I remember correctly, Oswald told his interrogators that he ate his lunch in the Domino room, on the first floor, and then went upstairs to get a soda in the 2nd floor lunchroom.

Junior and Norman passed through the shipping area (visible from the Domino room) anywhere between 12.20 and 12.25 and Carolyn Arnold, according to one FBI report saw Oswald at around 12.25 pm at the second floor lunchroom. There seems to be no discrepancy there.

when there is more circumstantial evidence Oswald was on the 6th floor pulling the trigger.

What circumstantial evidence, except for wishful thinking, is there that Oswald was on the 6th floor at 12.30?

I concur with Martin's post, so I won't repeat it, but I would like to hear your answer to the question......
What circumstantial evidence, except for wishful thinking, is there that Oswald was on the 6th floor at 12.30?

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #524 on: April 13, 2020, 03:16:52 PM »
I concur with Martin's post, so I won't repeat it, but I would like to hear your answer to the question......
What circumstantial evidence, except for wishful thinking, is there that Oswald was on the 6th floor at 12.30?

His rifle was there. That is the circumstantial evidence. It suggests, though not proves, Oswald was the assassin.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #525 on: April 13, 2020, 03:40:15 PM »
His rifle was there. That is the circumstantial evidence. It suggests, though not proves, Oswald was the assassin.

His rifle was there. That is the circumstantial evidence. It suggests, though not proves, Oswald was the assassin.

There is strong evidence that the carcano wasn't even fired that day..... 

A) The FBI reported that the barrel was dirty and corroded (rust) .....  If the rifle had had three rounds fired through the barrel the barrel would have been clean and no rust., Because the projectiles would have blown the dirt out of the barrel.

B) Not a single person reported the smell of burned gun powder.  The rifle would still have been emitting an odor only one hour after the shooting.....Particularly when Fritz opened the bolt and ejected the live round.   That live round would have acted as a cork and sealed the breech so the smell would have been there if the rifle had been fired.... ( Which raises the point .... The sniff test is nearly reflex with a seasoned detective ....It is a quick way to know if a gun has been fired recently, and yet neither Fritz nor  Day (nor anybody else) used their heads or noses....now isn't that strange.    If there had been a odor it would have reminded them to stick their noses down to the rifle's action. 

C) the rifle was found laying ON THE FLOOR ( Not jammed between boxes) about 3 feet from the aisle that Lee allegedly dashed through as he entered the stairway.

The rifle was three feet away and three feet down at the bottom of a "cave " that was created by stacked boxes ....No 5'9" man could have reached across that span and placed the rifle ON THE FLOOR at the bottom of the cave.   That rifle had to have been hidden there BEFORE the shooting because there simply was NOT enough time after the shooting . (Baker and Truly were at the site just a couple of minutes after the shots, and they saw nobody )   
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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #526 on: April 13, 2020, 03:42:48 PM »
His rifle was there. That is the circumstantial evidence. It suggests, though not proves, Oswald was the assassin.

Here we go again. Another conclusion based on an assumption.

His rifle? Really? And what exactly is the proof that the MC rifle found at the TSBD is actually "his rifle"?


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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #527 on: April 13, 2020, 05:48:07 PM »
Well she first said she saw him near the front door on the first floor.

Actually, you don't know what she really said. All you've got to go on are two FBI reports which Arnold never read or signed.
If I remember correctly, Oswald told his interrogators that he ate his lunch in the Domino room, on the first floor, and then went upstairs to get a soda in the 2nd floor lunchroom.

Junior and Norman passed through the shipping area (visible from the Domino room) anywhere between 12.20 and 12.25 and Carolyn Arnold, according to one FBI report saw Oswald at around 12.25 pm at the second floor lunchroom. There seems to be no discrepancy there.

The problem with all this is of course that Oswald never had an opportunity to show the investigators in an reenactment where he was exactly and what he saw there, so that it could be matched up and verified with what witnesses like Junior, Norman and Arnold were saying. As it stands all we have are conflicting reports from the interrogators which, because of the contradictions, are being dismissed as Oswald's lies, when in fact those contradictions could simply have been the result of a misunderstanding or a consequence of the interrogators not knowing the lay out of the TSBD. Had the interrogators been familiar with that lay out they would have known that you can't walk through the Domino room as it only has one entrance. All we are left with are some notes from the interrogators with nobody taking the trouble to ask follow up questions for clarification. It is by no means a perfect record!

I find it difficult to believe trained FBI agents would make such a blunder.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #528 on: April 13, 2020, 06:01:17 PM »
I find it difficult to believe trained FBI agents would make such a blunder.


I find it difficult to believe trained FBI agents would make such a blunder.

BINGO!!.....  THAT is the very basic question... Since the murder of President Kennedy is still hotly debated after over 50 years, and it remains unsolved in the majority of Americans minds.   One must ask himself ....Either the FBI was so inept that they couldn't solve the case....or as you wrote above ( I find it difficult to believe trained FBI agents would make such a blunder.)  or they were not trying to solve the case and were in fact covering up the facts.

Was the FBI a bunch of buffoons who couldn't follow  the track of a train ?? ......    I don't think so.......
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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #529 on: April 13, 2020, 06:08:11 PM »
I find it difficult to believe trained FBI agents would make such a blunder.

I'm not sure what blunder you refer to.

 

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