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Why Was Oswald Shot?

To shut him up
15 (50%)
To avoid a trial
1 (3.3%)
So that Jackie did not have to return to Dallas
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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Why Was Oswald Killed?
« Reply #150 on: September 10, 2019, 02:11:48 PM »
You must know the number of seats and the number of patrons & cops, in addition to the shoe-store salesman, handlers (sarcasm) and the funny-haha/funny-strange dude to be able to deem the TT as being 'full of people'

And Oswald sure had a novel way of demonstrating his non-resistance.
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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Why Was Oswald Killed?
« Reply #151 on: September 10, 2019, 11:55:54 PM »
Well, you see John, I do actually possess an uncanny ability...it's called common sense. Seriously, do you really believe if the Mafia were involved in such an important 'hit' they'd give the job to an amateur armed with an inadequate weapon?

So you're just speculating then?  I could just as easily speculate that Mafia hitmen were independent contractors who supplied their own weapons.  Not a particularly useful exercise....

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Exactly which part of the WR are you referring to John?

Specifically pages 18-25 ("Conclusions").  It's a fantasy narrative that is not supported by the evidence provided in the hearing and exhibits.  It should be titled, "Conjectures and Speculations" (or "common sense" if you prefer).

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Re: Why Was Oswald Killed?
« Reply #152 on: September 11, 2019, 01:23:57 AM »
So you're just speculating then?  I could just as easily speculate that Mafia hitmen were independent contractors who supplied their own weapons.  Not a particularly useful exercise....

Specifically pages 18-25 ("Conclusions").  It's a fantasy narrative that is not supported by the evidence provided in the hearing and exhibits.  It should be titled, "Conjectures and Speculations" (or "common sense" if you prefer).

There's nothing wrong with speculating John, that's exactly what discussion/debating forums are all about. It often seems that somewhere in the mind of John Iacoletti this forum is a courtroom and you're Oswald's defence lawyer. Now, I'm truly sorry to destroy your illusions but, the fact is, it isn't and you're not. You need to stop playing games with yourself John and come back down to Earth. Did you once have the ambition to be a lawyer? Is that the problem?
Well, you've done half of what I requested and specified what part of the WR you believe to be an “ingenious imaginary scenario“ thanks for that. Now when will you fulfil the second half of my request and prove it...unless you're just speculating of course.
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Why Was Oswald Killed?
« Reply #153 on: September 11, 2019, 04:34:08 AM »
Jack  Ruby was hardly an 'amateur' and by all means a snub nose .38 will kill you...it happens every day.

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Re: Why Was Oswald Killed?
« Reply #154 on: September 11, 2019, 09:40:51 AM »
Jack  Ruby was hardly an 'amateur' and by all means a snub nose .38 will kill you...it happens every day.

Yep in the head or heart it does. Not in the stomach. Huge survival rate. Particularly with so much help around to get Oswald quickly to the hospital.

Its not a mob murder. 

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Online Denis Pointing

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Re: Why Was Oswald Killed?
« Reply #155 on: September 11, 2019, 11:05:04 AM »
Jack  Ruby was hardly an 'amateur' and by all means a snub nose .38 will kill you...it happens every day.

So you're claiming Ruby was a professional hitman, then? Please, please elaborate, this is going to be fun!  :D :D
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Re: Why Was Oswald Killed?
« Reply #156 on: September 11, 2019, 06:07:56 PM »
There's nothing wrong with speculating John, that's exactly what discussion/debating forums are all about.

I agree, Denis.  The problem is when people take their speculations and state them as facts or call them evidence.

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It often seems that somewhere in the mind of John Iacoletti this forum is a courtroom and you're Oswald's defence lawyer.

That's like accusing you of being Oswald's prosecution lawyer.  An honest evaluation of the evidence (or lack thereof) does not require a courtroom or a trial.  It just requires that people ditch their predetermined agenda and biased rhetoric in favor of the facts.  And the ability to admit that "I don't know" is often the best answer.

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Well, you've done half of what I requested and specified what part of the WR you believe to be an “ingenious imaginary scenario“ thanks for that. Now when will you fulfil the second half of my request and prove it...unless you're just speculating of course.

Prove that the WC conclusions are an imaginary scenario?  Because they are inferences derived from assumptions and (often) misrepresentations, not a fact-based narrative.

Examples:
"4. The shots which killed President Kennedy and wounded Governor Connally were fired by Lee Harvey Oswald. This conclusion is based upon the following:

 (a) The Mannlicher-Carcano 6.5-millimeter Italian rifle from which the shots were fired was owned by and in the possession of Oswald."

Assumptions, not based on anything factual:

- That the MC rifle fired the bullet that killed Kennedy
- That the rifle was ever in the possession of Oswald prior to the assassination

"(b) Oswald carried this rifle into the Depository Building on the morning of November 22,1963."

Assumption based on nothing factual.

"(c) Oswald, at the time of the assassination, was present at the window from which t.he shots were fired."

Assumption solely based on Howard Brennan's later change of heart after failing to identify Oswald even after seeing his picture in the paper

"(d) Shortly after the assassination, the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle belonging to Oswald was found partially hidden between some cartons on the sixth floor and the improvised paper bag in which Oswald brought the rifle to the Depository was found close by the window from which the shots were fired."

Assumptions based on nothing factual:

- That the rifle was brought in in the CE 142 bag
- That the CE142 bag was brought in by Oswald

"(f) Oswald lied to the police after his arrest concerning important substantive matters."

Assumption based on a circular argument that Oswald committed the crime so he must have been lying

"(g) Oswald had attempted to kill Maj. Gen. Edwin A. Walker (Resigned, U.S. Army) on April 10,1963, thereby demonstrating his disposition to take human life."

Assumption based solely on hearsay from Marina.

You have it backwards.  It's an imaginary scenario until it can actually be proven that it happened that way.






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Offline Mike Carney

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Re: Why Was Oswald Killed?
« Reply #157 on: September 12, 2019, 12:03:37 PM »
Maybe Ruby's only opportunity was on Sunday. Oswald died so he didn't bungle it.

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Offline Ted Shields

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Re: Why Was Oswald Killed?
« Reply #158 on: September 12, 2019, 01:38:35 PM »
Maybe Ruby's only opportunity was on Sunday. Oswald died so he didn't bungle it.

Ruby was there Friday. Could have shot him there easily.

As for the stomach shot, can you imagine the conversation?

Ruby "OK so Ill rush in and shoot him in the stomach"

Marcello/Hoover "But he'll likely survive that.. ah go on then risk it".

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Re: Why Was Oswald Killed?
« Reply #159 on: September 12, 2019, 01:43:34 PM »
What are your thoughts regarding this?

Fred

The evil, evil, evil, evil, evil, evil Deep State had to silence him!

LOL

--  MWT  ;)
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