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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: How Good Are People at Counting?
« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2018, 09:01:06 PM »
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LOL.  Nowhere in that video does McDonald even say that Oswald tried to shoot a cop in the theater.

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Re: How Good Are People at Counting?
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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: How Good Are People at Counting?
« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2018, 09:02:41 PM »
The Invisible Gorilla experiment spawned IB science.

Try to pay attention 
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And this has what to do with a paper bag allegedly located in an alleged crime scene?

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Re: How Good Are People at Counting?
« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2018, 09:18:59 PM »
LOL.  Nowhere in that video does McDonald even say that Oswald tried to shoot a cop in the theater.

Oh, yes, he does. If you pay attention to the video McDonald states that he "snapped the pistol" in other words he pulled the trigger. Innocent people certainly don't try to shoot their way out, now do they. 

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Re: How Good Are People at Counting?
« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2018, 09:33:36 PM »
And this has what to do with a paper bag allegedly located in an alleged crime scene?

Inattentional blindness possibilities

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Re: How Good Are People at Counting?
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2018, 09:38:50 PM »
Oh, yes, he does. If you pay attention to the video McDonald states that he "snapped the pistol" in other words he pulled the trigger. Innocent people certainly don't try to shoot their way out, now do they.

Even if he did "snap the pistol" like embellisher McDonald claimed, that doesn't mean he was trying to shoot anybody.  Furthermore,
CT Walker said that he saw several hands on the gun before it ever came out, and that when he heard a soft click (which Ray Hawkins said could have been somebody in the seats making a noise) the gun was pointed at a 45 degree angle and slightly toward the screen.  Not only that, but McDonald said on day one that the gun misfired.  The bit about sticking his hand between the hammer and the firing pin came later.  And Paul Bentley claimed that he was the one who prevented the gun from firing.

So, there's no good reason to think that the trigger was necessarily ever pulled, and if it was there's no good reason to think that it must have been Oswald who did it, or that it was aimed toward a cop at the time.

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Re: How Good Are People at Counting?
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2018, 09:48:21 PM »
Inattentional blindness possibilities



Because a gorilla walking through a basketball game with intentionally distracted viewers is nothing like a bag on the floor of a crime scene where law enforcement officers are specifically examining the scene for evidence.


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Re: How Good Are People at Counting?
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2018, 10:24:03 PM »


You missed the part where the gorilla test spawned/expanded* to real-life situations

Were the officers expecting to find a (folded) gun case made of paper, in a building with boxes wrapped in the exact same paper...

Inattentional Blindness*
@wikipedia

1   Defining criteria
1.1   Cognitive capture
2   The cognition debate: early vs. late selection of attention
2.1   Evidence for late selection
2.2   Evidence for early selection
3   Theories
3.1   Perceptual load
3.2   Inattentional amnesia
3.3   Expectation
3.4   Perceptual cycle
4   Experiments
4.1   Invisible Gorilla Test
4.2   A real-world experiment
4.3   Computer red cross experiment
4.4   Clown on a unicycle
4.5   Blindness despite fixation
4.6   Effects of expertise
5   Limitations of perception or memory?
6   Neuropsychological analogies
6.1   Visual neglect
6.2   Extinction
6.3   Inattentional agnosia
6.4   Change blindness
7   Additional factors exhibiting effects on it
7.1   Age and expertise
7.2   Similarity between stimuli
7.3   Mindfulness
8   Possible causes
8.1   Conspicuity
8.2   Mental workload and working memory
8.3   Expectation
8.4   Capacity
9   Benefits
10   Broader implications
10.1   Safety
10.2   Illusion
10.3   Police shootings
11   See also
12   Notes
13   References
14   Further reading

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Re: How Good Are People at Counting?
« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2018, 10:29:48 PM »

Not that I know of....






Thanks, that's why some law enforcement officers might have overlooked a brown paper bag.



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