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OP correction begins at reply #3.
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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2019, 05:51:11 AM »
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Both were using 15 mm focal lenses on their 16 mm B&W film.


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A 15mm lens would be quite "fish eye," wouldn't it?

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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2019, 03:34:29 PM »
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Both were using 15 mm focal lenses on their 16 mm B&W film.


    It is images such as this that display the Great Distance between the Train Cars and the Pergola. The Dominant/Obscuring appearance of these train car Windows on the Bell Film contradict this distance.  What might the Bell Film have captured in the area between the Pergola and the train cars that these windows obscure?   

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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD
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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2019, 10:30:17 PM »
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Both were using 15 mm focal lenses on their 16 mm B&W film.

I need to make a correction to the OP. That view of the western side of the TSBD was not taken by Jimmy Darnell, but by Don Cook. I found some or all of Darnell's film clip. It was much overexposed and required contrast enhancement. I present the frames along with simulated views from my 3D model for comparison. Also, my statement in the OP that both cameramen used the same focal length lens may not be correct- still working on that. Please disregard my graphics in the previous postings. Thank you.


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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD (revised)
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2019, 01:47:10 AM »
Nice detective work James.  So, so far, Darnell is still the only newsman we know of that had some type of rolled up paper in his RH pocket.
And he is filming the westside before Cook does you think?  Since he's not focused on any particular part of it, I'll assume he's just heard something about the building in general, that it might be involved, perhaps the Euins/Harkness event or perhaps Jackson/Haygood.

And am I also right to assume that the footage of the cop, detective or whoever, climbing out one of those same windows(to gain access to a locked room, so the story goes) came about some good time later?

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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD (revised)
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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD (revised)
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2019, 02:34:10 AM »
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Nice detective work James.  So, so far, Darnell is still the only newsman we know of that had some type of rolled up paper in his RH pocket.
And he is filming the westside before Cook does you think?  Since he's not focused on any particular part of it, I'll assume he's just heard something about the building in general, that it might be involved, perhaps the Euins/Harkness event or perhaps Jackson/Haygood.

And am I also right to assume that the footage of the cop, detective or whoever, climbing out one of those same windows(to gain access to a locked room, so the story goes) came about some good time later?
Barry, thanks for the interesting comments and questions.
Darnell finished his filming of the west side just before Cook began to lower his camera. This was recorded in the Robert Hughes film, at roughly 12:34-12:35 by my estimate.


I think the Weatherford episode is some 10-20 minutes later.

Harkness ? on his DPD 3-wheeler just enters the parking area and Darnell takes off in his direction- as if to intercept him. So, I think Euins has not yet met up with Harkness.

I'm not up on a Jackson/Haygood event, would you fill me in on that?

So why did the west side attract both Darnell and Cook (and a few others in the Hughes film)?  We see that the 5th floor west side's south set of windows are now open (closed in McIntire). It may be that Norman, Williams and Jarmen are actually in those windows, but not picked up in the exposures like the Prayer Person in Wiegman was hidden so well in the shadows. Just imo.

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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD (revised)
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2019, 06:03:36 AM »
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Barry, thanks for the interesting comments and questions.
Darnell finished his filming of the west side just before Cook began to lower his camera. This was recorded in the Robert Hughes film, at roughly 12:34-12:35 by my estimate.


I think the Weatherford episode is some 10-20 minutes later.

Harkness ? on his DPD 3-wheeler just enters the parking area and Darnell takes off in his direction- as if to intercept him. So, I think Euins has not yet met up with Harkness.

I'm not up on a Jackson/Haygood event, would you fill me in on that?

So why did the west side attract both Darnell and Cook (and a few others in the Hughes film)?  We see that the 5th floor west side's south set of windows are now open (closed in McIntire). It may be that Norman, Williams and Jarmen are actually in those windows, but not picked up in the exposures like the Prayer Person in Wiegman was hidden so well in the shadows. Just imo.

James

James,

How long is the full-length Robert Hughes film?

What do you mean by "at roughly 12:34-12:35 by my estimate"?

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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD (revised)
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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD (revised)
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2019, 01:02:08 PM »
James, ty,
I think Jackson was the man responsible for Haygood running back to his bike(or to the nearest radio) and calling in that first mention of the TSBD over the air.  I'd have to come back to it later but.

Do you see Underwood there in your Hughes gif James in the long raincoat, well there's another piece of Hughes further west in the carparks that I thought shows Jim, Darnell and perhaps Jackson huddled together, so perhaps Jimmy's source came directly from Bob.

Also Harkness yes :) but was there only one three-wheeler in the RRY proper??
And I think you're right, that's Jimmy working, reacting(to Harkness' siren?) whereas Underwood by comparison, well, there just is none.

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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD (revised)
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2019, 10:29:08 PM »
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Barry, thanks for the interesting comments and questions.
Darnell finished his filming of the west side just before Cook began to lower his camera. This was recorded in the Robert Hughes film, at roughly 12:34-12:35 by my estimate.


I think the Weatherford episode is some 10-20 minutes later.

Harkness ? on his DPD 3-wheeler just enters the parking area and Darnell takes off in his direction- as if to intercept him. So, I think Euins has not yet met up with Harkness.

I'm not up on a Jackson/Haygood event, would you fill me in on that?

So why did the west side attract both Darnell and Cook (and a few others in the Hughes film)?  We see that the 5th floor west side's south set of windows are now open (closed in McIntire). It may be that Norman, Williams and Jarmen are actually in those windows, but not picked up in the exposures like the Prayer Person in Wiegman was hidden so well in the shadows. Just imo.

James

    I would disagree with the 12:34-12:35 time stamping of Darnell being behind the Pergola in that Hughes footage. Remember, Darnell while still on the South side of Elm St filmed the rear of the "Party Bus" and the Cop Car behind it as those 2 vehicles went under the Triple Underpass. These were the Last 2 vehicles in the JFK Motorcade. This means Darnell did Not even cross over to the North side of Elm St until the entire Motorcade had passed by him. This casts doubt that he would have reached that rear position behind the Pergola in only 4-5 minutes following the Kill Shot. Also, based on Darnell standing close to Cook in that Hughes snippet, and Cook having filmed the side of the TSBD and also filming almost straight down the Elm St Extension, would physically place Darnell on the extreme Eastern side/edge of the Pergola = somewhat close to the TSBD.  This would be a lot of ground for Darnell to cover in only 4-5 minutes when he did Not even cross Elm St until the Entire Motorcade had passed by him.
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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD (revised)
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2019, 04:43:09 PM »
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Do you see Underwood there in your Hughes gif James in the long raincoat, well there's another piece of Hughes further west in the carparks that I thought shows Jim, Darnell and perhaps Jackson huddled together, so perhaps Jimmy's source came directly from Bob...

It's not Hughes or even Bronson(my apologies)so it must be from the DCA films, I'll get it.

Derugo, @5:30, Craig talking to Darnell, Underwood and Jackson, common sense tells me that Jimmy filmed the TSBD after this
From Gerda's channel (RIP)
Also for the note takers, rewind to 5:27 to see Danny Arce standing behind Darnell with no shoulder strap again.
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