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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #610 on: February 09, 2020, 09:10:24 PM »
Someone [a Commissioner maybe] just might have nudged Ruth... "I don't recall it specifically"  Can anyone else see what went on there?

No. But I'm sure you do.  ::)

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #611 on: February 09, 2020, 10:03:22 PM »
No. But I'm sure you do.     
You need to find some safe & effective relief for your constipation.

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #612 on: February 10, 2020, 02:33:47 PM »
They wanted so badly for Ruth to have seen a package.

Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #613 on: February 15, 2020, 03:10:07 AM »
If this MC rifle was planted before the fact then the conspirators must not have realized that west side of the floor was being laid with new plywood necessitating having to move boxes

Seems like a risky place to pre hide the rifle near the stairs

However, if rifle was hastily planted after the fact , near the stairwell would be quickest place  sliding under the pallettes

Maybe Weitzman observed or at least realized the rifle was moved from UNDER a palette to its new position In a gap between 2 parallel rows of boxes

Perhaps Weitzman even witnessed a hand sliding a rifle thru the space of the pallet In coincidence with Boone shining a light

At the very least, Weitzman may have witnessed the destacking of the wall of boxes in order to photograph a rifle no longer laying “flat” and within the frame of a wooden palette

Instead, now the rifle was in vertical position up against a wall of boxes with NO wooden palette underneath the boxes




Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #614 on: February 15, 2020, 07:24:08 AM »
Can I change the topic to..How did Oswald's ALLEGED rifle end up on the 6th floor?

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #615 on: February 15, 2020, 07:42:58 PM »
If this MC rifle was planted before the fact then the conspirators must not have realized that west side of the floor was being laid with new plywood necessitating having to move boxes

Seems like a risky place to pre hide the rifle near the stairs

However, if rifle was hastily planted after the fact , near the stairwell would be quickest place  sliding under the pallettes

Maybe Weitzman observed or at least realized the rifle was moved from UNDER a palette to its new position In a gap between 2 parallel rows of boxes

Perhaps Weitzman even witnessed a hand sliding a rifle thru the space of the pallet In coincidence with Boone shining a light

At the very least, Weitzman may have witnessed the destacking of the wall of boxes in order to photograph a rifle no longer laying “flat” and within the frame of a wooden palette

Instead, now the rifle was in vertical position up against a wall of boxes with NO wooden palette underneath the boxes

Seems like a risky place to pre hide the rifle near the stairs

Au contrair, monsieur ....  The LOGICAL place to hide the rifle was along a logical escape route.....That's where the police would look for a discarded weapon. And in fact the police DID search along the escape route several times before Boone and Weitzman discovered the well hidden rifle, beneath the pallet.  Had the rifle been in the location depicted in the official in situ photos it would have been discovered earlier.  They simply didn't anticipate Lee being in the 2nd floor lunchroom, when the plot called for him to be on the sixth floor.  When a DPD officer (Baker) saw Lee in the lunchroom about 90 seconds after the shooting they realized that the fact that the rifle was over five feet away from the escape route ( and buried beneath the pallet of book boxes) was an absolute rebuttal of their tale that Lee had ran by and dropped the rifle into the crack between boxes.   Baker's encounter with Oswald in the lunchroom really put the screws to their plot. 

However, if rifle was hastily planted after the fact , near the stairwell would be quickest place  sliding under the pallettes

Please present a realistic  estimate of the time necessary to hide the rifle beneath the pallet .....after moving the boxes of books, and then placing the rifle on the floor beneath the pallet and then stacking the boxes of books back over and around the rifle .

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #616 on: February 15, 2020, 08:17:56 PM »
Ok Walt, you got a point there depending what kind of wooden palette

I was envisioning a palette that’s got about 4” space made from 2x4 s thru witch a rifle could be placed regardless how many boxes stacked on the upper platform

Do you have a photo of what type wooden palette was there on the 6th floor TBDS?

if it’s just  1x4 overlapping board type then. I’m in agreement that it would be difficult to quickly wedge rifle all the way underneath and probably would require removing boxes to lighten the load to do so

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #617 on: February 15, 2020, 08:28:08 PM »
A glitch in the timeline....
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January 28, 1962: LHO orders a .38 caliber Smith and Wesson revolver by mail.
 Should be [if it indeed happened] 1963
 March 9-10, 1963: LHO takes photographs of the home of General Edwin Walker, a right wing activist.
March 12, 1963: Ruth Paine visits Marina at the new apartment. Also that day, LHO orders a rifle from Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago.
March 20, 1963: The rifle and the revolver are shipped
March 25, 1963: LHO picks up the weapons   
Notice the remarkable 'coincidence' that the pistol [supposedly ordered two months before the rifle was] was shipped and then claimed on respectively the very same day as the rifle.
What are the chances of this?
Also note that presumably...Lee goes over to take pictures at General Walker's before any rifle to shoot him with ever arrives.
Why in hell take pictures anyway? What purpose would it serve?

Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #618 on: February 15, 2020, 08:38:10 PM »
A glitch in the timeline....Notice the remarkable 'coincidence' that the pistol [supposedly ordered two months before the rifle was] was shipped and then claimed on respectively the very same day as the rifle.
What are the chances of this?
Also note that presumably...Lee goes over to take pictures at General Walker's before any rifle to shoot him with ever arrives.
Why in hell take pictures anyway? What purpose would it serve?

The revolver was not ordered two months before the rifle was.  Jan 27, 1963 was the date that Oswald filled out the coupon, not the date that he mailed it.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #619 on: February 15, 2020, 08:47:29 PM »
A glitch in the timeline....Notice the remarkable 'coincidence' that the pistol [supposedly ordered two months before the rifle was] was shipped and then claimed on respectively the very same day as the rifle.
What are the chances of this?
Also note that presumably...Lee goes over to take pictures at General Walker's before any rifle to shoot him with ever arrives.
Why in hell take pictures anyway? What purpose would it serve?

When seen in the "blue notebook " dossier that Lee created along with the BY photo and maps of the area near Walker's house the photo would serve to convince any viewer that Lee had been stalking Walker and planning to ambush him .   And that was the crux of the plot.... The bullet hole in Walker's window was intended to be mute evidence that someone had tried to kill Walker ( a very vocal foe of Fidel Castro)    Lee had created the false dossier with the idea that the police would trace the rifle ( which he had left for the police to find)   reminds one of the TSBD sixth floor !    Lee had planned to be a "fugitive" and on his way to Cuba when the police discovered the blue note book with the BY photo (CE 133A) and the photo of Walker's house in it.   

The plot never blossomed because the police didn't fall for the nonsense that Walker spewed......

 

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