CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #574 on: January 02, 2020, 08:12:48 PM »
"Walt",

Fine.

But can you explain to me why the Warren Commission Report said nothing about Oswald's alleged visit to the Cuban Consulate in Mexico City, and why Yuri Nosenko claimed, a few weeks after the assassination, that not only had he personally handled Oswald's KGB file four times before and after the assassination, but that he "therefore" knew for a fact that the KGB hadn't even interviewed the former Marine Corps radar operator during the two and one-half years he lived in the USSR, and, last but not least, why John L. Hart lied his head off about Nosenko to the HSCA?

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can you explain to me why the Warren Commission Report said nothing about Oswald's alleged visit to the Cuban Consulate in Mexico City

In a hut shell.... The answer is :.... Because Godfather Hoover did not want the Mexico City fiasco to surface.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #575 on: January 02, 2020, 08:38:02 PM »
can you explain to me why the Warren Commission Report said nothing about Oswald's alleged visit to the Cuban Consulate in Mexico City

In a nut shell.... The answer is :.... Because Godfather Hoover did not want the Mexico City fiasco to surface.

"Walt",

Bingo!

And why was that?

Answer:  Because the Ruskies, with the help of probable triple-agents Guenther Schulz in Oklahoma and Ivan Obyedkov at the Mexico City Soviet embassy (and Duran's and Azcue's "Blond Oswald" -- KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov), et al., had planted a WW III "virus" in Olwald's CIA file.

--  MWT  ;)

PS  It's not "Godfather" Hoover, but "overly territorial, vindictive, gullible, wishful-thinking, in-denial of at least two ("Fedora" and "Top Hat") KGB penetrations of his very own FBI" Hoover, comrade.

D'oh
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #576 on: January 02, 2020, 08:54:23 PM »
"Walt",

Bingo!

And why was that?

Answer:  Because the Ruskies, with the help of probable triple-agents Guenther Schulz in Oklahoma and Ivan Obyedkov at the Mexico City Soviet embassy (and Duran's and Azcue's "Blond Oswald" -- KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov), et al., had planted a WW III "virus" in Olwald's CIA file.

--  MWT  ;)

PS  It's not "Godfather" Hoover, but "overly territorial, vindictive, gullible, wishful-thinking, in-denial of at least two ("Fedora" and "Top Hat") KGB penetrations of his very own FBI" Hoover, comrade.

D'oh

Hoover was insane....  Power corrupts.....  Absolute power, corrupts absolutely.    Hoover was mad with power....He had his own small band of loyal agents who answered only to Hoover, and they would jump like puppets on a string at anything Hoover suggested.   They had sent Lee to MC to try to obtain a visa to Cuba. They wanted to tie Lee Oswald to Castro so that after they murdered JFK they could blame Castro and attack Cuba.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #577 on: January 02, 2020, 09:30:21 PM »
Hoover was insane....  Power corrupts.....  Absolute power, corrupts absolutely.    Hoover was mad with power....He had his own small band of loyal agents who answered only to Hoover, and they would jump like puppets on a string at anything Hoover suggested.   They had sent Lee to MC to try to obtain a visa to Cuba. They wanted to tie Lee Oswald to Castro so that after they murdered JFK they could blame Castro and attack Cuba.

"Walt",

You didn't know that Hoover distrusted true-defector Anatoliy Golitsyn (because Golitsyn supposedly led CIA and FBI on a wild goose chase for "moles") and that he was duped by KGB triple-agent Aleksei Kulak (FBI's beloved FEDORA) for fifteen years, and by GRU triple-agent Dimitri Polyakov (FBI's TOP HAT) for as long as the KGB had Polyakov stationed at the UN on his second posting there?

Ya think they may have influenced him to distrust true-defector Golitsyn and to trust false-defector Yuri "The KGB Didn't Even Interview Oswald in the USSR!" Nosenko?

LOL

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #578 on: January 05, 2020, 03:13:06 AM »
  They had sent Lee to MC to try to obtain a visa to Cuba. They wanted to tie Lee Oswald to Castro so that after they murdered JFK they could blame Castro and attack Cuba.
Back to Mexico past...
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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #579 on: January 17, 2020, 04:59:12 AM »
The blanket being found still rolled up with all the strings still tied around it is indicative of conspirators stealing rifle as quickly as possible after entering the Paines garage in the early 2 am hour on Nov 22/63

And why the blanket was left instead of being taken with the rifle

The rifle was found fully assembled with the scope attached so the conspirator shooter decided not to remove it after test firing at some targets and finding the scope unreliable with a tendency to drift and being misaligned

It was decided not to replace the defective scope with some other scope since this rifle was a mail ordered rifle with possible record of the serial no.

there were only a few hours available to practice with the rifle just using iron sights and probably only at ground level

The 2 conspirator gunman probably stealth entered TSBD not later than 4am

They hid themselves on the 7th floor possibly in attic space until approx 12:15 pm when one of them was seen at.the SW window 6th floor by Arnold Rowland


The gunman using the MC rifle probably used latex gloves of flesh color that were not discernible from any of the eyewitness who may have seen this gunman briefly

It’s possible this gunman had also some kind of special mask just in case some photograph might capture that window at time of shots

They decided it was too risky to attempt using an Oswald mask which if captured by photo might not fool expert examiners later

Gunman no. 2 used a 30.06 rifle and got the 3rd shot “one shot kill” this no shell ejected at the SW window

This gunman escaped by running to the west elevator in 10 secs and 30 sec later arrived to ground floor where he exited and then thru the west side door from loading dock roofed annex bldg as early as 50 sec post shots

Gunman no. 2  could have dropped his rifle out a west side window on 6th floor as early as 5 sec post shots where it fell 72 ft in approx 3 sec. That rifle then pickec up by accomplice waiting below with car who drove away with it as early as 15 sec post shots

Gunman no.1 shot 2 shots with Oswalds MC rifle the 1st got hitting JFK and then Gov Connally at Z223

The 2nd shot fired approx 3.5 seconds later went high and struck curb near James Teague

3rd shot was then fired by Gunman no 2 about 1 sec later at Z313 which why majority of earwitness heard last 2 shots close together , “back to back”

Gunman no 1. returned the elevator by push button used by Gunman 2 to the 5th floor by 70 sec post shots or it was sent back up by no.2 after he exited it on the ground floor

Gunman no 1 then used elevator (not Dougherty) after putting Oswalds rifle near staircase to suggest flight by stairs and Gunman no. 1 was also able to escape via west side door thru the annexed roofed part of loading dock bldg

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #580 on: February 08, 2020, 12:35:49 AM »
When you see Weitzman interviewed recorded on video , he looks like a man who is reluctantly supporting the WC conclusion that his ID of the rifle as a Mauser was simply a mistake

IMO, Wietzman never REALLY accepted he was mistaken. He never amended his original affidavit description of “Mauser” which is odd since by about 8pm Nov 22/63 just about the whole world had heard and/or seen on TV, Lt.Day holding the MC rifle up in the air and announcing it was a rifle “made in Italy”

Therefore, it’s not that implausible the rifle Weizman and Boone saw BEFORE the wall of boxes were “destacked in from the original twin wall configuration may have been a Mauser that was then switched for a MC rifle that would enable an easier fake paper trail to be established due to the MC manufactures having had sloppy records and possible duplicate serial  numbering