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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Lack Of Damage To CE-399
« Reply #410 on: April 19, 2020, 10:26:25 PM »
That means nothing. A dead body cant give a fingerprint. So the print was not lifted off Oswalds body after he died as Oliver Stone claimed in the JFK movie.

Actually, you can get prints off of a dead body with the use of ink.

Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Lack Of Damage To CE-399
« Reply #411 on: April 19, 2020, 10:28:52 PM »
It is also near impossible to lift a print and leave no residue behind. The FBI examined the rifle on 11/23/63 and found no trace of a print.

Near impossible? Where do you get that from?


Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Lack Of Damage To CE-399
« Reply #412 on: April 19, 2020, 11:18:02 PM »
Near impossible? Where do you get that from?



The content of the letter you posted has nothing to do with risidue of a print being left behind when the print is lifted.

The FBI found not even a trace of a print on 11/23/63. When the rifle is returned to the DPD, Day has prints of Oswald's hand and palm available.

How easy would it be to stick such a print to the rifle and thus obtain the irregularities onto the lift?

Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Lack Of Damage To CE-399
« Reply #413 on: April 19, 2020, 11:42:09 PM »
The content of the letter you posted has nothing to do with risidue of a print being left behind when the print is lifted.

The FBI found not even a trace of a print on 11/23/63. When the rifle is returned to the DPD, Day has prints of Oswald's hand and palm available.

How easy would it be to stick such a print to the rifle and thus obtain the irregularities onto the lift?

Besides, letís see the actual examination. We got a claim from Hoover and a smudge.
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Lack Of Damage To CE-399
« Reply #414 on: April 20, 2020, 12:11:05 AM »
Quote from: Gerry Down on Today at 08:06:46 AM 
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A dead body cant give a fingerprint. So the print was not lifted off Oswalds body after he died as Oliver Stone claimed in the JFK movie.
Nonsense. As usual you fail to research something before you post it. Oswald was not found in the desert months after he died.
http://crimeandclues.com/2013/01/31/fingerprinting-the-dead/   

Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: Lack Of Damage To CE-399
« Reply #415 on: April 20, 2020, 02:52:22 AM »
Near impossible? Where do you get that from?



Oh Thank you , thank you. thank you...... for bringing up my favorite subject.....   

This letter from Hoover's Mob is a gargantuan CROCK!.....   And since you have posted it..... WHERE are he photos of the microscopic  comparison between the lifted print and the metal barrel??    Have you forgotten that it was an FBI Lab man who testified that he had not been able to find any evidence that the area of the carcano where Day claimed that he had found and lifted the print had been subjected to finger print powder nor could he detect that a lift had been performed.   He said he had never experienced any case in which a print had been lifted so completely that there was none of the print left behind....



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Re: Lack Of Damage To CE-399
« Reply #416 on: April 20, 2020, 03:21:13 AM »
Beside, letís see the actual examination. We got a claim from Hoover and a smudge.

We got a claim from Hoover and a smudge.

That's absolutely right.... What has been presented to us by "experts" as Lee Oswald's Palm Print ...Is nothing but a damned unidentifiable SMUDGE.

I've said this many many times, but I'll say it again.....  The barrel was only 5/8 " in diameter ( the diameter of a AA penlight battery) A tube that size is waaaaaaay too small to accept a adult mans palm print......


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Re: Lack Of Damage To CE-399
« Reply #417 on: April 20, 2020, 03:52:12 PM »
Oh Thank you , thank you. thank you...... for bringing up my favorite subject.....   

This letter from Hoover's Mob is a gargantuan CROCK!.....   And since you have posted it..... WHERE are he photos of the microscopic  comparison between the lifted print and the metal barrel??    Have you forgotten that it was an FBI Lab man who testified that he had not been able to find any evidence that the area of the carcano where Day claimed that he had found and lifted the print had been subjected to finger print powder nor could he detect that a lift had been performed.   He said he had never experienced any case in which a print had been lifted so completely that there was none of the print left behind....




 He said he had never experienced any case in which a print had been lifted so completely that there was none of the print left behind....

His commonsense told him that this story about a palm print having been found and lifted from THE SMALL DIAMETER METAL BARREL by the bumbling Lt Day was a lie.   

And in fact we can prove that Lt. Day never found any print on the metal barrel if we use our heads and the evidence before us.....

The primary piece of evidence is the evidence inventory list that was created to accompany the photo of the evidence that was being released to the FBI at midnight 11/22/63.   I know that there is going to be strong opposition to presenting this evidence, but that's the way it's been since the shots were fired over 56  years ago.

There are several facets to this "Palm print on the barrel" tale.......  So let's start with the photo of the evidence that was being released ....and note that not all of the evidence that was being released is shown in the photo.    There are four cardboard boxes that were sent to the FBI that night that are not shown in the photo, but (IMO they are unimportant ).  There are--- 3 negatives of partial prints "found on trigger housing of rifle ser. # C 2766"  That are not seen in the photo, and there is one  3 X 5 index card that had a piece of cellophane tape stuck to it.....That cellophane tape carried  1" Partial palm print  off underside gun barrel near end of foregrip " on rifle C 2766.     The  quotation marks are on the list indicating that the words are being taken from the notation on the 3 X 5 index card.

The alert reader will notice that the words    "1   Partial palm print  off underside gun barrel near end of foregrip " on rifle C 2766.  are the exact words that appear on the index card that the DPD claimed carried the palm print of Lee Oswald that Lt Day had found and lifted from the underside of the metal barrel of the carcano  but was never released to the FBI at midnight 11/22/63.   

The evidence list is solid proof that the 3 x5 index card carrying the cellophane tape with the lift on it was released to the FBI at midnight.....

I know there is going to be opposition to this evidence list.....There are going to be those who say this list was NOT created on 11/22/63 .....

So we'll debate that point before continuing ........



Item  # 6 on the altered list says.....Quote..."  1 -  .38 cal pistol, 2 inch barrel, S&W, Rev.,  sand blast finish, brown wooden handles, ser. # 510210. Rel. to FBI agent 11-22-63 and again on 11-26-63.

Released to FBI agent, Vince Drain, on 11-22-63 and again on 11-26-63.
 
They wanted it on the altered list, because that altered list was created AFTER the FBI returned the evidence to Dallas...and that was AFTER Day ( with help ) had invented the tale (damned lie) about finding the print but had failed to tell the FBI on 11 /22/63.




in the colored photo the bayonet groove is clearly visible .....The end of the bayonet groove is about 3 1/2 inches back from the end of the wooden stock.   So Lt Day guessed fairly accurately when he said he found the print about three inches back from the end of the wooden stock.
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