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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Charles Collins on November 21, 2022, 03:49:18 PM

Title: Did LHO meet Castro?
Post by: Charles Collins on November 21, 2022, 03:49:18 PM

From pages 249-250 of “History Will Prove Us Right” by Howard Willens:

During May, Slawson followed up on several aspects of Oswald’s trip to Mexico. At his request, Rankin asked the State Department to obtain affidavits or sworn testimony from Mr. and Mrs. John B. McFarland of Liverpool, England, before an official of the US Consular Service. In an earlier interview, the McFarlands said they had traveled to Mexico in September 1963 and that a man later identified as Oswald got on their bus at Houston in the early morning of September 26. Oswald told them that he was the secretary of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee in New Orleans and that he was traveling to Mexico City so that he could go from there to Cuba to meet Castro. In his letter Rankin suggested several questions that might be asked of the McFarlands, including the nature of Oswald’s clothing, the number of suitcases he was carrying, and names or places in Mexico that Oswald might have mentioned.73


Just like LHO’s “I’m just a patsy” and his “I didn’t shoot anybody” statements, he just had to be telling the truth to the McFarlands ….  ;)

But then, of course, we have the letter he wrote to the Soviet Embassy in Washington DC that says he was denied the opportunity to go to Cuba by the bureaucrats in MC. And surely, LHO wouldn’t lie about that. Or, would he?  ???

Dang, these mysteries just keep getting more and more difficult to solve….  ::)
Title: Re: Did LHO meet Castro?
Post by: Mike Orr on November 21, 2022, 03:56:04 PM
No !
Title: Re: Did LHO meet Castro?
Post by: Charles Collins on November 21, 2022, 04:18:57 PM
No !


But, umm, do you have any evidence that clearly excludes the possibility that LHO met with Castro?   :-\   ;)
Title: Re: Did LHO meet Castro?
Post by: Jon Banks on November 21, 2022, 05:10:54 PM
Photographic proof that LHO was in Mexico City  ;)

(https://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/images/a/aa/Pict_MysteryMan_HSCA-935-927G.jpg)
Title: Re: Did LHO meet Castro?
Post by: Mike Orr on November 22, 2022, 04:45:01 PM
No I don't.
Title: Re: Did LHO meet Castro?
Post by: Mike Orr on November 22, 2022, 04:51:33 PM
Nobody can place LHO meeting Castro and the same goes for Oswald having been in Mexico City . No one has a picture of LHO in Mexico City and nobody can place LHO on the 6th floor on the 22nd of November. We can place him in the breakroom and the Texas theater . LHO said he was a Patsy and we know this because LHO said he was . Why would Ruby want to be taken to Washington DC ?
Title: Re: Did LHO meet Castro?
Post by: Richard Smith on November 22, 2022, 06:45:33 PM
Nobody can place LHO meeting Castro and the same goes for Oswald having been in Mexico City . No one has a picture of LHO in Mexico City and nobody can place LHO on the 6th floor on the 22nd of November. We can place him in the breakroom and the Texas theater . LHO said he was a Patsy and we know this because LHO said he was . Why would Ruby want to be taken to Washington DC ?

No one can be "placed" at the crime scene unless a witness confirms their presence at the moment of the crime?  That will come as good news to many criminals.  Typically, it is sufficient for them leave evidence like a weapon and/or prints at the crime scene and have no alibi and maybe even flee the scene.  Sound familiar?
Title: Re: Did LHO meet Castro?
Post by: John Iacoletti on November 23, 2022, 02:39:55 AM
No one can be "placed" at the crime scene unless a witness confirms their presence at the moment of the crime.  That will come as good news to many criminals.  Typically, it is sufficient for them leave evidence like a weapon and/or prints at the crime scene and have no alibi and maybe even flee the scene.  Sound familiar?

Too bad you don’t have any actual evidence that any particular person “left a weapon”.
Title: Re: Did LHO meet Castro?
Post by: Richard Smith on November 23, 2022, 03:12:00 PM
Photographic proof that LHO was in Mexico City  ;)

(https://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/images/a/aa/Pict_MysteryMan_HSCA-935-927G.jpg)

If you believe Oswald's trip to Mexico City was a fabrication to somehow frame him for the assassination, why wouldn't the authorities just release a fabricated picture of Oswald instead of someone else? The CIA works in mysterious ways.  Maybe they did have such a picture but didn't want to reveal anything about their surveillance techniques to the Russians or Cubans.  Maybe they were incompetent and didn't actually get his picture.  Whatever the explanation for not having Oswald's picture, it makes no sense to suggest that authorities faked Oswald's presence in Mexico City for some unknown reason but then released a picture of someone else who wasn't Oswald. That doesn't add up as a logical narrative.
Title: Re: Did LHO meet Castro?
Post by: Steve M. Galbraith on November 23, 2022, 03:34:26 PM
If you believe Oswald's trip to Mexico City was a fabrication to somehow frame him for the assassination, why wouldn't the authorities just release a fabricated picture of Oswald instead of someone else? The CIA works in mysterious ways.  Maybe they did have such a picture but didn't want to reveal anything about their surveillance techniques to the Russians or Cubans.  Maybe they were incompetent and didn't actually get his picture.  Whatever the explanation for not having Oswald's picture, it makes no sense to suggest that authorities faked Oswald's presence in Mexico City for some unknown reason but then released a picture of someone else who wasn't Oswald. That doesn't add up as a logical narrative.
This again. The CIA in Mexico City believed Oswald visited the Soviet Embassy on Monday. He had made a call earlier inquiring about the status of the visa he requested. The CIA went through the photos taken that day, grabbed one they thought might be him (they didn't have any photos of him), and sent it to Dallas. They admitted they had no idea who the person was. How could they know the person said he was Oswald? Only the people Oswald met could know that.

The three KGB agents/Embassy officials who met Oswald were shown the photo. They all said that the man was not the man who said he was Oswald and that the man they did meet over two days was the real Oswald.

The agents were interviewed for the PBS program "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?" They were shown the photo. Here is what they said.

NARRATOR: But there is much evidence that the real Oswald was in Mexico City. At the Soviet embassy, all three KGB officers told FRONTLINE the man they met was the real Lee Harvey Oswald, not the man in the photograph the CIA released.

VALERY KOSTIKOV, KGB: [through interpreter] No, this is a completely different person. The Oswald who had visited our embassy and whose photographs I saw in many newspapers and on TV was completely different.

Title: Re: Did LHO meet Castro?
Post by: Jon Banks on November 23, 2022, 04:27:31 PM
If you believe Oswald's trip to Mexico City was a fabrication to somehow frame him for the assassination, why wouldn't the authorities just release a fabricated picture of Oswald instead of someone else? The CIA works in mysterious ways.  Maybe they did have such a picture but didn't want to reveal anything about their surveillance techniques to the Russians or Cubans.  Maybe they were incompetent and didn't actually get his picture.  Whatever the explanation for not having Oswald's picture, it makes no sense to suggest that authorities faked Oswald's presence in Mexico City for some unknown reason but then released a picture of someone else who wasn't Oswald. That doesn't add up as a logical narrative.

My post was made in jest.

I assume that LHO probably did visit Mexico City but of course it’s funny that the only picture taken of him is a picture clearly of someone who wasn’t LHO.
Title: Re: Did LHO meet Castro?
Post by: Robert Reeves on November 24, 2022, 06:41:21 PM
I think LHO met the 'Bishop'
Title: Re: Did LHO meet Castro?
Post by: Richard Smith on November 24, 2022, 11:05:10 PM
My post was made in jest.

I assume that LHO probably did visit Mexico City but of course it’s funny that the only picture taken of him is a picture clearly of someone who wasn’t LHO.

There is often an indistinguishable line between what CTers are suggesting for real and in "jest" given that their theories are not based in reality.   There are some CTers here who do take issue with the conclusion that Oswald visited Mexico City and cite this picture as "evidence" of such fabrication even though that narrative makes absolutely no sense for the reasons already noted.
Title: Re: Did LHO meet Castro?
Post by: John Iacoletti on November 25, 2022, 03:17:36 PM
Nothing “makes sense” to “Richard” other than the official fantasy narrative.