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Online Thomas Graves

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Re: Mysterious Cuban # 1: Gilberto Policarpo Lopez
« Reply #70 on: August 10, 2019, 11:25:04 PM »
I'd get used to that sound (of crickets) if I was you. I can't imagine any member here bothering to discuss anything with you ever again. You're too rude and arrogant. Mr Graves, you have the social skills of a pig. No reply required.

Denis,

Thank you for setting me straight (and for bumping this thread).

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PS  By the way, which charm school did you graduate from?


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Offline Michael Walton

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« Reply #71 on: August 11, 2019, 12:13:14 PM »
The difference between Tom Graves's Russian theory and the State Secret theory is this. SS is very close to home. In other words, we can track what exactly happened to Oswald from the time he false defected to Russia, all the way to 11/24 when he was murdered.

In addition, there are too many coincidences in Oswald's narrative for it to just be a run of the mill guy going on with his life and leading to what happens to him.

Meanwhile, Tom Graves never - EVER - rebuts SS and the reason for that is this - he can't. How can you rebut something when it's actually documented the way it is in SS and elsewhere?

Tom Graves, when you tell him that his Russia theory holds no water, falls back on his usual tropes. Did you read Bagley's book? Did you know Simpich agreed with me? Did you know Newman admitted something or other to me?

What Tom Graves does not understand is this - just because there was come collateral incident that took place, he lumps that together and uses it as "See? I'm right." It's not true. As an example, suppose on opposite ends of the street a Mom gives her kid candy and then on the other end a guy keels over and dies. In the center of this street is a tree. Just because that tree was there does NOT mean it had an impact on either of the events at opposite ends.

Another huge issue with Graves is he's highly biased in this case. He hates Russia, hates people who support the JFK case being an inside job. This is not xxxx stirring either - he actually admitted this on another thread in this forum. So in Tom's mind, his bias clouds his thought process with the JFK case. It's like the cop who hates prostitutes but has to investigate their murder grudgingly and with disdain. That prostitute is not going to get a fair shake.

I've read and seen plenty of true crime events to know that when an investigator comes in and for whatever reason doesn't "like" the victim, they're not going to get a fair investigation. The same with Tom Graves and this case. It's just gotta be Russia. I have even seen him lump Putin in here, not because Putin was involved [he was 10 years old in 1963], but because of the Russian vitriole.

State Secret is the closest thing we'll ever have to totally understand what happen with Oswald, how he was steered into the book building to take the fall for 11/22. He even admitted as much ("I didn't shoot anyone -- I'm a patsy").

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Re: Mysterious Cuban # 1: Gilberto Policarpo Lopez
« Reply #72 on: August 11, 2019, 10:05:24 PM »

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Michael,

Does the fact that my hero, Tennent H. Bagley, believed that neither the Russians nor the Cubans had anything to do with the assassination of JFK make the prospect of reading his book Spy Wars any less abhorrent to you?

Or do you look so kindly on the actions of the KGB and the GRU and/or look so unfavorably on those of the CIA in trying to protect America and its allies from their depredations that it's still a revolting proposition?

Too revolting for you to even contemplate?  A total waste of time?  Surely just more "Mockingbird" or "Deep State" propaganda?

If so, then all that can be said is that 98 years of "active measures," artfully interwoven with 60 years of "strategic deceptions," really had their desired effect on you, my friend.

And it's sad, very sad, indeed -- for you, but more importantly, for our country -- that younger people like you are unwilling to endure a few Russian names and ... gasp ... the complexity of it all and actually read Bagley's truly illuminating 2007 book, Spy Wars.

I have an honest question, for you, Michael:

Are you, like James "Jumbo Duh" DiEugenio, a Trump supporter by any chance? I rather doubt it, but still ...  And how ironic and sad it would be if you actually now supported the "useful idiot" that KGB-boy Vladimir Putin and his virtual agent, Julian Assange, installed as our president in January of 2017.

-- MWT  ;)

PS  I read State Secret years ago, before you joined the EF, iirc. Haven't you seen my old pro-Simpich posts about it, there?
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Re: Mysterious Cuban # 1: Gilberto Policarpo Lopez
« Reply #73 on: August 25, 2019, 04:39:50 AM »
Here's an interesting 17-page HSCA document on the mysterious Tampa (home of Fidel Castro's buddy, Santo Trafficante) FPCC member Gilberto Policarpo Lopez ...

... which wasn't released until 2017. 

Hmmm

Page 11 is missing, but two footnotes (65 and 66) that were on it are listed in the appendix, so maybe some information can be gleaned from the 1977 CIA Task Force Report that fn #66 refers to ...

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/180-10147-10165.pdf

Fwiw, it's interesting that Policarpo Lopez was classified 4-F by the U.S. Army in 1962, but not for epileptic seizures -- for poor English. (See footnote #49)

(If we're to believe his wife, the poor guy's seizures didn't begin until early 1963, but didn't prevent him from doing construction work in June...)

-- MWT   ;)

Edit:  His daughter told me today (7/27/19) in an email that he is a very mean and violent man still today, that his family knew that he had lived in Tampa and "Keys," that he'd "been to Laredo, Mexico," that he had been to Communist meetings, that at one point he wanted to go fight in a war in Africa, that he was always very healthy and fit and has never taken medicine for epileptic seizures or anything else.

She also says he often claimed that he was very good at faking epileptic seizures because he didn't want to be drafted into the military, and that he spoke about being "the only passenger on a cargo plane" once, but that he didn't elaborate on the subject.

She says before they left Cuba in 1990 to come to the U.S., three Cuban Intelligence men in black suits came to their apartment to warn them that if he returned to the U.S. he'd be arrested by the U.S. authorities in connection with the JFK assassination.

"He has always said he did not do it but he was always a man who did not talk about anything of his past, not even his childhood. We didnít even know he had taken his mother, my grandmotherís US citizenship, when we were little. My mom found documents by chance one day."

"He is to the day a very mean and violent man so it would not surprise me if he did but he has never said. I mentioned [in an earlier email] that he said he was the only one in the cargo plane but donít know why he told us."

And from one of her posts on this thread earlier today:

"He resides in Miami now. He said he left to Havana [from Mexico City?] illegally in a 'cargo plane.'"


Douglas Caddy posted this newspaper article today at the EF:

https://nypost.com/2019/08/24/the-cuban-expat-who-may-have-helped-lee-harvey-oswald-assassinate-jfk/?utm_source=facebook_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site+buttons&utm_campaign=site+buttons&fbclid=IwAR2wRw48el57Iv9jVVhLHE-xp4WeZPM3gYkCURfJ1qE6JjNiMJSvzV21LfE

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Re: Mysterious Cuban # 1: Gilberto Policarpo Lopez
« Reply #74 on: August 31, 2019, 12:43:04 PM »
I was trying to find the book but I cannot find it. I remember his version was in Spanish. May I had the wrong author.

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« Reply #75 on: September 15, 2019, 10:57:30 PM »
I was trying to find the book but I cannot find it. I remember his version was in Spanish. May I had the wrong author.

Thanks for the feedback, Lisbette.

Have you seen this National Enquirer article, yet?

I believe there are several misstatments and misconceptions in it.

For example, on a "philosophical" level, I believe it was clearly shown in The lost Bullet that the fatal head shot came from the rear -- the mist consisting of blood and bits of JFK's brain can be seen going forward in the scanned and digitally-enhanced Orville Nix (iirc) film when viewed in slow motion.

https://www.pressreader.com/

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Re: Mysterious Cuban # 1: Gilberto Policarpo Lopez
« Reply #76 on: September 16, 2019, 02:58:46 AM »
It must have gotten lost in all of your inane references to Bermuda shorts.

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« Reply #77 on: September 16, 2019, 03:34:36 AM »
It must have gotten lost in all of your inane references to Bermuda shorts.

Iacoletti,

Wasn't it you who posted a photo, on another thread, of five or six really cute dudes wearing 'em in you vain effort to show that the three people wearing skirts and calf-length raincoats over dresses on the Pergola Patio in Towner might actually be men?

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« Reply #78 on: September 16, 2019, 03:45:13 AM »
No, that was the thing you made up to be sarcastic and obnoxious.

Itís amusing though that William is repetitively harping on you the way you repetitively harp on others. Taste of your own medicine.
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« Reply #79 on: September 16, 2019, 03:57:55 AM »
No, that was the thing you made up to be sarcastic and obnoxious.

Iacoletti,

Are you saying it was I who posted that GQ (or whatever) photo of those Bermuda shorts-wearing dudes?

To "prove" that the three people with bare lower legs on the Pergola Patio in Towner could be men?

And the photo of the guy wearing Bermuda shorts in the snow to "prove" that it wasn't really unusual for guys to be wearing them on a cool and blustery day ... in late November in conservative 1963 Dallas? 

It was I who did that?

Question: Have you always been a teller of non-truths?

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