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Online Thomas Graves

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Re: Mysterious Cuban # 1: Gilberto Policarpo Lopez
« Reply #70 on: August 10, 2019, 11:25:04 PM »
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I'd get used to that sound (of crickets) if I was you. I can't imagine any member here bothering to discuss anything with you ever again. You're too rude and arrogant. Mr Graves, you have the social skills of a pig. No reply required.

Denis,

Thank you for setting me straight (and for bumping this thread).

-- MWT   ;)

PS  By the way, which charm school did you graduate from?


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Re: Mysterious Cuban # 1: Gilberto Policarpo Lopez
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« Reply #71 on: August 11, 2019, 12:13:14 PM »
The difference between Tom Graves's Russian theory and the State Secret theory is this. SS is very close to home. In other words, we can track what exactly happened to Oswald from the time he false defected to Russia, all the way to 11/24 when he was murdered.

In addition, there are too many coincidences in Oswald's narrative for it to just be a run of the mill guy going on with his life and leading to what happens to him.

Meanwhile, Tom Graves never - EVER - rebuts SS and the reason for that is this - he can't. How can you rebut something when it's actually documented the way it is in SS and elsewhere?

Tom Graves, when you tell him that his Russia theory holds no water, falls back on his usual tropes. Did you read Bagley's book? Did you know Simpich agreed with me? Did you know Newman admitted something or other to me?

What Tom Graves does not understand is this - just because there was come collateral incident that took place, he lumps that together and uses it as "See? I'm right." It's not true. As an example, suppose on opposite ends of the street a Mom gives her kid candy and then on the other end a guy keels over and dies. In the center of this street is a tree. Just because that tree was there does NOT mean it had an impact on either of the events at opposite ends.

Another huge issue with Graves is he's highly biased in this case. He hates Russia, hates people who support the JFK case being an inside job. This is not xxxx stirring either - he actually admitted this on another thread in this forum. So in Tom's mind, his bias clouds his thought process with the JFK case. It's like the cop who hates prostitutes but has to investigate their murder grudgingly and with disdain. That prostitute is not going to get a fair shake.

I've read and seen plenty of true crime events to know that when an investigator comes in and for whatever reason doesn't "like" the victim, they're not going to get a fair investigation. The same with Tom Graves and this case. It's just gotta be Russia. I have even seen him lump Putin in here, not because Putin was involved [he was 10 years old in 1963], but because of the Russian vitriole.

State Secret is the closest thing we'll ever have to totally understand what happen with Oswald, how he was steered into the book building to take the fall for 11/22. He even admitted as much ("I didn't shoot anyone -- I'm a patsy").

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Re: Mysterious Cuban # 1: Gilberto Policarpo Lopez
« Reply #72 on: August 11, 2019, 10:05:24 PM »
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Michael,

Does the fact that my hero, Tennent H. Bagley, believed that neither the Russians nor the Cubans had anything to do with the assassination of JFK make the prospect of reading his book Spy Wars any less abhorrent to you?

Or do you look so kindly on the actions of the KGB and the GRU and/or look so unfavorably on those of the CIA in trying to protect America and its allies from their depredations that it's still a revolting proposition?

Too revolting for you to even contemplate?  A total waste of time?  Surely just more "Mockingbird" or "Deep State" propaganda?

If so, then all that can be said is that 98 years of "active measures," artfully interwoven with 60 years of "strategic deceptions," really had their desired effect on you, my friend.

And it's sad, very sad, indeed -- for you, but more importantly, for our country -- that younger people like you are unwilling to endure a few Russian names and ... gasp ... the complexity of it all and actually read Bagley's truly illuminating 2007 book, Spy Wars.

I have an honest question, for you, Michael:

Are you, like James "Jumbo Duh" DiEugenio, a Trump supporter by any chance? I rather doubt it, but still ...  And how ironic and sad it would be if you actually now supported the "useful idiot" that KGB-boy Vladimir Putin and his virtual agent, Julian Assange, installed as our president in January of 2017.

-- MWT  ;)

PS  I read State Secret years ago, before you joined the EF, iirc. Haven't you seen my old pro-Simpich posts about it, there?
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