Mr Billy Lovelady

[Ray Mitcham]

Don't worry about the human figures in Mr Stancak's reconstruction! This is his minimal setting of the Darnell scene, which I am using purely to illustrate the shadow line from the west pillar at 12.30pm on 11/22/63:



The shadow line would be the same for the time of Altgens and Wiegman, yes?

Now--------Unless Mr Stancak has gotten the sun's angle wildly wrong, the shadow from the west pillar would only catch Mr Lovelady if he were much farther west of the entranceway's center railing:



Like I say, it is a physical impossibility that the darkness down the right side of Mr Lovelady's body is a shadow. That side of his body was in full sunlight!

As I asked above, Alan, "If you disagree what do you think caused the black "shadow"?"

Can you let me have the link to his reconstruction on the other forum, Alan, I can't seem to find it?

[Alan Ford]

Alan, Andrej  Stancek's web site doesn't show the overhead view, which in the past, when he posted on the Ed forum, I  agreed he had the correct angle of the sun. Until I find it again, I am unable to show you where I believe Lovelady was.

Is this one you mean?



 

[Ray Mitcham]

Is this one you mean?



 

Thanks, Alan.

I believe that Lovelady is standing directly in front of Prayerman with his right foot on the right hand side of the green line as we look at it. This would mean the shadow would be on half of his body. I assume that you believe he was standing in full sunlight, and if so, this is where we disagree.

[Jerry Freeman]

What we fail to see [unless I missed it somewhere] is an actual photograph of the landing taken on any sunny 12:30 on any given Nov 22 or thereabouts from that same camera location where-ever that is.
If I could ever find Robt Groden again...I'll ask him about it.

[Alan Ford]

Thanks, Alan.

I believe that Lovelady is standing directly in front of Prayerman with his right foot on the right hand side of the green line as we look at it. This would mean the shadow would be on half of his body.

So Mr Lovelady is standing directly behind Mr Carl Jones in this frame?



Seriously?

[Alan Ford]

What we fail to see [unless I missed it somewhere] is an actual photograph of the landing taken on any sunny 12:30 on any given Nov 22 or thereabouts from that same camera location where-ever that is.
If I could ever find Robt Groden again...I'll ask him about it.

So you're not querying the meticulous sun angle calculations of Mr Stancak or Mr Hackerott and have no counter-analysis of your own to offer. Yet you don't wish to see the obvious implications of the sun's angle for your reality-denying belief that what is causing the darkness down Mr Lovelady's right side is shadow from the west pillar.

Got it! 

[Ray Mitcham]

What we fail to see [unless I missed it somewhere] is an actual photograph of the landing taken on any sunny 12:30 on any given Nov 22 or thereabouts from that same camera location where-ever that is.
If I could ever find Robt Groden again...I'll ask him about it.

That would be handy, Jerry, but in the mean time, maybe physics can help.

The TSBD is situated at an approximate angle of 13˚West of North.
The sun's azimuth  at 12.30 p.m on 11.22.63 was 185.32˚ (i.e.5.32˚ West of South) which gives us the sun shadow in the Entrance of 18˚ West of North,(13+5.32) or as we look at Andrej's plan view of the entrance at 18˚approx in relation to North. Which seems to agree with Andrej's model.