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Author Topic: BWF and LMR may not have been the only ones who saw LHO with a bag on 11/22/1963  (Read 37546 times)

Offline Zeon Mason

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This hypothetical  composite theory 
"Oswald framed by conspirator shooters" and "Oswald part of some plan to infiltrate Oswald into Cuba after the shooting by some other shooters"

As I understand Walts theory (and correct me if i have misunderstood)

1. An MC rifle WAS found on 6th floor.  near the rear staircase, between the 2 rows of boxes which were NOT in the configuration as seen in the still photo of the rifle, because its admitted that some boxes were moved to facilitate the photo taken of rifle as it lay on the floor. And this is based somewhat on Wietzmans statement of having been looking under a palette, when Boone then shined a light  into the gap between the boxes and saw the rifle. Weitzman, however , said the rifle was "well hidden" and "covered with boxes"  so there is some doubt that Weitzman actually SAW the rifle, from ground level,  with  Boone shining the light from above into a gap between 2 stacked walls of boxes , as the wall of boxes had not yet been "destacked" and some removed for the photo to be made.

2. The MC rifle was planted BEFORE the shooting occurs, and this MC rifle was NOT FIRED. ???

3. Whatever no. of shots were fired from the SE 6th floor window, are from some other rifle, those shells heard hitting the floor, are Harold Norman misinterpreting the noise of the rifle being used, or there were shells that fell, and picked up by the assassin, and Luke Mooney must have seen some other shells, or Luke Mooney is BS.

4. Lee was aware of some part of this plot, but was not aware that JFK was actually going to get shot, just that it was a LARP gathering to create the illusion that JFK was shot, and that Oswald was the assassin, to then have Oswald "escape" and that would convince Castro that Oswald was a real assassin/Marxist and would thus allow Oswald into Cuba as a "defector" and comrade for the cause.


I can only say, that no. 1 is about the only part I can agree with and in fact, may be probable. The other 3, are imo, very improbable, because why not just USE the MC rifle and thus make it even MORE convincing Oswald was the asssasin, if that was the plot.

So the MC rifle being fired, at least 2 shots, by some conspirator, whom had Oswald have possession of that rifle for some time previous, seems the easier way to set up Oswald, either as some  plot to inflltrate Oswald or outright  make Oswald the patsy.
 
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Offline John Iacoletti

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Are you really so naive that you think spies leave evidence like signed certified documents around to explain their actions?

No, I don't think that.  I also don't think that just because Walt makes up a story, that there is any truth to it.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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No, I don't think that.  I also don't think that just because Walt makes up a story, that there is any truth to it.

I'm sure you won't believe me....and frankly I don't care....But I did not make up the scenario that I've posted many times....   I'm not smart enough to find the solution by sorting the information.    I had very good help in finding my way through the smoke screen.....

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I'm sure you won't believe me....and frankly I don't care....But I did not make up the scenario that I've posted many times....   I'm not smart enough to find the solution by sorting the information.    I had very good help in finding my way through the smoke screen.....

So who was it who made up your scenario?

Offline Walt Cakebread

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So who was it who made up your scenario?

It's not a made up scenario ..... The scenario was created by deductive reasoning....   But You can accept that or reject as as you wish...  I've Had it!......I've run out of patience....   Good luck to you.

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LOL. There is literally no difference between ?made up scenario? and your ?deductive reasoning scenario?. There is no evidence that it is true.

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Made up scenario: The fact that no curtain rods were ever found in the Depository after the assassination tells us that Mr Oswald had a rifle in the bag and told Mr Frazier it was curtain rods!

Deductive reasoning scenario: The fact that a pair of curtain rods were sent for testing for Mr Oswald's prints 8 days before a pair of curtain rods were removed from the Paine garage tells us that the conclusion that Mr Oswald brought a rifle and not curtain rods to work the morning of the assassination is radically unsafe!

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Offline Zeon Mason

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Made up scenario: The fact that no curtain rods were ever found in the Depository after the assassination tells us that Mr Oswald had a rifle in the bag and told Mr Frazier it was curtain rods!

Deductive reasoning scenario: The fact that a pair of curtain rods were sent for testing for Mr Oswald's prints 8 days before a pair of curtain rods were removed from the Paine garage tells us that the conclusion that Mr Oswald brought a rifle and not curtain rods to work the morning of the assassination is radically unsafe!

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Alan, Walts scenario to some degree has deductive reasoning because of the fact that Oswald is recorded on a film made by someone, handing out "pro Castro" leaflets in New Orleans. This WREAKS of some sort of CIA or FBI operation  and or, at same time, set up Oswald as the patsy.

Then also, just "coincidentally" Oswald the guy that is the star of this film, just happenes to get ina fist fight with non other than Carlos Bringuier". Can you say the word "LARP"? Follpwed up very shortly afterwards by yet another film of Oswald, the star, explaining Marxism is different from Communism.
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Offline Ted Shields

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Alan, Walts scenario to some degree has deductive reasoning because of the fact that Oswald is recorded on a film made by someone, handing out "pro Castro" leaflets in New Orleans. This WREAKS of some sort of CIA or FBI operation  and or, at same time, set up Oswald as the patsy.

Then also, just "coincidentally" Oswald the guy that is the star of this film, just happenes to get ina fist fight with non other than Carlos Bringuier". Can you say the word "LARP"? Follpwed up very shortly afterwards by yet another film of Oswald, the star, explaining Marxism is different from Communism.

Brilliant from Oswald in his own way. Set it up for the cameras to film him being punched by Bringuier.

Oswald usually handed out leaflets with his home address on them.

The one occasion Oswald is known to have used pamphlets with the "544 CAMP ST." stamp was August 9, 1963, the day Carlos Bringuier and friends discovered him holding a demonstration only a few blocks from Bringuier's store. A year and a half earlier, 544 Camp Street had briefly been the workplace of *drum roll * - Carlos Bringuier - when he had served the Cuban Revolutionary Council.

Oswald went to a lot of trouble to set up that arrest on Canal St. He wanted Bringuier to hit him on TV so he could go write the Fair Play for Cuba Committee telling them of his near martyrdom.

Clearly a well laid trap for Bringuier to confront Oswald (which he did) and they all got chucked in jail. Oswald had the choice to pay a $25 fine and leave or to stay in jail. He chose to stay in jail. The questioning officer later said it looked like Oswald had set Bringuier up. Hence the later appearances of "it was staged" in conspiracy books. It was staged. By Oswald. This was all done to prove to the Fair Play For Cuba HQ in New York that he was worthy and legit. A "street agitator".
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Brilliant from Oswald in his own way. Set it up for the cameras to film him being punched by Bringuier.

Oswald usually handed out leaflets with his home address on them.

The one occasion Oswald is known to have used pamphlets with the "544 CAMP ST." stamp was August 9, 1963, the day Carlos Bringuier and friends discovered him holding a demonstration only a few blocks from Bringuier's store. A year and a half earlier, 544 Camp Street had briefly been the workplace of *drum roll * - Carlos Bringuier - when he had served the Cuban Revolutionary Council.

Oswald went to a lot of trouble to set up that arrest on Canal St. He wanted Bringuier to hit him on TV so he could go write the Fair Play for Cuba Committee telling them of his near martyrdom.

Clearly a well laid trap for Bringuier to confront Oswald (which he did) and they all got chucked in jail. Oswald had the choice to pay a $25 fine and leave or to stay in jail. He chose to stay in jail. The questioning officer later said it looked like Oswald had set Bringuier up. Hence the later appearances of "it was staged" in conspiracy books. It was staged. By Oswald. This was all done to prove to the Fair Play For Cuba HQ in New York that he was worthy and legit. A "street agitator".

Oswald went to a lot of trouble to set up that arrest on Canal St.

Yes... you're right  ...but I don't think Lee set it up for the benefit of "VT LEE" of the FPFCC....I believe he was desperately trying to trick Castro's spies into believing that he was in complete sympathy with Castro's revolution so he could gain entry to Cuba where he could spy on events taking place in Cuba.  ( There were rumors that the Russians were building missile sites in Cuba)

 Oswald had the choice to pay a $25 fine and leave or to stay in jail. He chose to stay in jail. The questioning officer later said it looked like Oswald had set Bringuier up.

 Oswald had the choice to pay a $25 fine and leave or to stay in jail. He chose to stay in jail. ...AND REQUEST to have a meeting with the FBI......

When he talked to the FBI agent he pointed out that the literature  The pamplets (not the leaflets or circulars) had the 544 Camp street address stamped inside on the back cover.   What he wanted the FBI to know was that "someone" at 544 Camp street appeared to be in support of Fidel Castro. ( Carlos Bringuier had had an office at that address ....and so did Hoover's extra special agent Guy Bannister.)

 

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