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Offline Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2019, 09:06:39 PM »
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Show us that you're not a Dolt, Mr May....  Use the scale in the photo and measure the width of the groove on the copper jacket in the photo.....

This is your big day.... so be careful....  show the world how smart you are....

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Hello.... Paul....  Hello??   Hmmmmm...I guess he chickened out.....

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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2019, 04:55:20 AM »
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She meant "ONLY a T-shirt" as an above-waist garment. She observed that Oswald was not wearing another shirt or a jacket over the T-shirt. I have no sense of humor!!!
Believe it or not, you don't need a sense of humor to understand. Just the fact that you felt the need to clarify what Mrs. Reid observed shows you're way behind and suggests you have no sense at all.

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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2019, 04:03:01 PM »
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Believe it or not, you don't need a sense of humor to understand. Just the fact that you felt the need to clarify what Mrs. Reid observed shows you're way behind and suggests you have no sense at all.

I gotta admit....Mrs Reid might not have thought it hilarious to see Lee Oswald enter the Office area carrying a coke and wearing only a Tee Shirt .....But the mental projection of that image strikes me as hilarious....  And I can guarantee Mrs Reid would damned sure have remember it!!....

And I was simply being flippant ........I never thought that I'd have to explain myself.

But the bottom line is:.... I seriously doubt Mrs Reid's tale.....   And I don't believe that she was a malicious liar.....  She simply told a Texas tale and never dreamed that it would blow up in her face.

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« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2019, 07:55:51 PM »
David is attached wrists and ankles to the lone gunman theory.
This much is exposed on the edforum. However a lot of things are just simply ignored.
He has devoted the last two decades compiling stuff.
David Von Pein go to this post and please explain it as there has been no other intelligent response to this discrepancy.
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« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2019, 08:16:16 PM »
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I gotta admit....Mrs Reid might not have thought it hilarious to see Lee Oswald enter the Office area carrying a coke and wearing only a Tee Shirt .....But the mental projection of that image strikes me as hilarious....  And I can guarantee Mrs Reid would damned sure have remember it!!....

And I was simply being flippant ........I never thought that I'd have to explain myself.

But the bottom line is:.... I seriously doubt Mrs Reid's tale.....   And I don't believe that she was a malicious liar.....  She simply told a Texas tale and never dreamed that it would blow up in her face.
No, you have to let the serious guy Ross decide, after all, if you were to say it's partly cloudy he may correct you by saying it's partly sunny

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« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2019, 01:15:54 AM »
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That's true..... But  they also measur and weigh the bullet....So why don't you humor me and measure the groove width on that jacket......Or aren't you smart enough to read a scale?

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« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2019, 06:31:16 AM »
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I believe the groove width on the copper jacket measures 1.5 mm across......


It is 3.3mm

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« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2019, 02:26:48 PM »
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The picture you are referencing is not the groove. It is the land. The land measures 1.8 mm just like Frazier stated a carcano barrel's lands and grooves are supposed to be. The barrel's groove is 3.3 mm

Frazier referring to a carcano's lands and grooves while discussing the Walker Bullet. The same as the barrel cast from CE 139

Mr. EISENBERG - Can you describe the general rifling characteristics which you referred to?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes. They consist of impressions from four lands and grooves. The bullet is mutilated on a portion of its surface. However, it can be determined that there were four land impressions and four groove impressions originally on this bullet.
The width of the land impression is 7/100ths of an inch, that is 0.07 inch--whereas the width of the groove impression is 0.13 inch, or 13/100ths of an inch.
The bullet is flattened so that it was not possible to measure its diameter. However, by adding the land width to the groove width, and multiplying by the number of lands and grooves, you can determine the circumference of the bullet and mathematically determine its diameter, which in this case corresponds to 6.5 mm. ammunition, or approximately .267 inch.
Mr. EISENBERG - What was the direction of the twist?
Mr. FRAZIER - To the right.

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« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2019, 04:45:24 PM »
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It is 3.3mm

Where are you measuring?   That 3.3 cannot be ACROSS the groove......

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« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2019, 05:02:03 PM »
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The picture you are referencing is not the groove. It is the land. The land measures 1.8 mm just like Frazier stated a carcano barrel's lands and grooves are supposed to be. The barrel's groove is 3.3 mm

Frazier referring to a carcano's lands and grooves while discussing the Walker Bullet. The same as the barrel cast from CE 139

Mr. EISENBERG - Can you describe the general rifling characteristics which you referred to?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes. They consist of impressions from four lands and grooves. The bullet is mutilated on a portion of its surface. However, it can be determined that there were four land impressions and four groove impressions originally on this bullet.
The width of the land impression is 7/100ths of an inch, that is 0.07 inch--whereas the width of the groove impression is 0.13 inch, or 13/100ths of an inch.
The bullet is flattened so that it was not possible to measure its diameter. However, by adding the land width to the groove width, and multiplying by the number of lands and grooves, you can determine the circumference of the bullet and mathematically determine its diameter, which in this case corresponds to 6.5 mm. ammunition, or approximately .267 inch.
Mr. EISENBERG - What was the direction of the twist?
Mr. FRAZIER - To the right.

The LAND in the barrel creates a GROOVE in the projectile as the projectile is fired through the barrel.   

The GROOVE on the jacket is called a GROOVE .....  And that's what I'm referring to. 

I simply asked for anybody to use the scale and measure the width of the groove....Simple..... If you can't do that then ....move on.....
I had hoped that an honest person would simply measure the distance ACROSS the groove on the copper jacket.....
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