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Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #90 on: February 23, 2019, 09:35:18 PM »
That's right up there with trying to convince people the walls, books, and boxes muffled the sound of the gunshots...

I suppose we could spend several months in the Iacoletti Angels On The head Of A Pin branch making thousands of posts about how to semantically define the motorcade passing by vs the shots going off seeing how they happened pretty much at the same time for all intents and purposes...

I've covered this before...Your version requires Oswald to be seen on the 2nd floor staircase landing by Stanton...Then be in the Domino Room to see Jarman and Norman go by...Then be in the 2nd floor lunch room to be seen by Carolyn Arnold...Then be back in the Domino Room to be there when the motorcade passed...And then be back up in the 2nd floor lunch room for Baker & Truly...

You don't think too deeply so you don't realize these serious doubtables...

I suppose we could spend several months in the Iacoletti Angels On The head Of A Pin branch making thousands of posts about how to semantically define the motorcade passing by vs the shots going off seeing how they happened pretty much at the same time for all intents and purposes...


Yes, the shots were fired when the Limo was on Elm street in Dealey Plaza....  That's not the point Dumbass.... The point is YOU said that Lee said he heard the shots. and he never said any such thing.   He merely said that he was on the first floor when the parade passed by.    I suspect that he may have been on his way to the stairs to the second floor lunchroom , to buy a coke, but that's just a guess.   

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ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #91 on: February 23, 2019, 09:42:22 PM »
I suppose we could spend several months in the Iacoletti Angels On The head Of A Pin branch making thousands of posts about how to semantically define the motorcade passing by vs the shots going off seeing how they happened pretty much at the same time for all intents and purposes...


Yes, the shots were fired when the Limo was on Elm street in Dealey Plaza....  That's not the point Dumbass.... The point is YOU said that Lee said he heard the shots. and he never said any such thing.   He merely said that he was on the first floor when the parade passed by.    I suspect that he may have been on his way to the stairs to the second floor lunchroom , to buy a coke, but that's just a guess.

To buy a Coke that he was seen holding a few minutes earlier by Sarah Stanton?

Why are you ignoring Fritz's Commission testimony where he said he was pretty sure Oswald told him he was in the 2nd floor lunch room when the president was shot?...

Also Ball tried to bait Fritz into saying Oswald went up to get the Coke...Fritz didn't bite and responded "He said he got a Coke" (in other words Fritz is telling Ball that Oswald didn't say he went up to get it)...

You need to learn to read evidence...

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #92 on: February 23, 2019, 10:27:53 PM »
To buy a Coke that he was seen holding a few minutes earlier by Sarah Stanton?

Why are you ignoring Fritz's Commission testimony where he said he was pretty sure Oswald told him he was in the 2nd floor lunch room when the president was shot?...

Also Ball tried to bait Fritz into saying Oswald went up to get the Coke...Fritz didn't bite and responded "He said he got a Coke" (in other words Fritz is telling Ball that Oswald didn't say he went up to get it)...

You need to learn to read evidence...

Fritz's Commission testimony where he said he was pretty sure Oswald told him he was in the 2nd floor lunch room when the president was shot

Huh.... I have no problem accepting that Lee could have been in the 2nd floor lunchroom when JFK was shot.....I DO have a problem with you saying that He said he heard the shots....  Lee never said any such thing.    He said that he was in the Domino room when the parade passed by the front of the TSBD.... BUt he could have been in the 2nd floor lunchroom at the time .....The point is He never heard the shots.... In fact when he was shown the Dallas street map that had an "X" at Houston and Elm....He realized that the cops were saying that the "X" indicated the spot where JFK was murdered....and he blurted out...."My God!, Don't tell me that is where   the shooting happened"....   ( Can someone provide Lee's word's verbatim?)

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ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #93 on: February 23, 2019, 10:35:04 PM »
You've got to learn to read between the lines when reading evidence..

Oswald is a very clever trained spook...

He doesn't mention hearing the shots because he's smart enough to know he'll be asked why he didn't then react and go find out more...Which will lead to why he was in the 2nd floor lunch room in the first place etc...Plus the authorities are omitting information from their side...

The less information the better which is exactly what he did at the police station...
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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #94 on: February 23, 2019, 10:47:48 PM »
Friends, we must take time to let the full implications of the newly-revealed Hosty notes sink in!



Mr Oswald's claim to have gone "outside to watch P. Parade" is completely incompatible with his having just been told by Mrs Reid that JFK had been shot.

Why would Mr Oswald make such a claim?

Let's suppose he's lying, shall we? Let's suppose he was the 6th fl shooter...

-----------He ran down the back stairs and went into the 2nd fl lunchroom
-----------An officer yelled to him and challenged him at gunpoint
-----------His boss vouched for him
-----------He took his coke through the 2nd fl office area and was passed by a woman saying 'The President has been shot!'
-----------He went downstairs and out.

OK! So Mr Oswald in custody knows he was seen by 3 people on the 2nd floor. This is hardly a disaster----------in fact it's an enormous stroke of luck, something he can easily build into a story of having been on the 2nd floor at the time of the shooting.... Puts quite some distance between him and that 6th fl window!  Thumb1:

So! He freely admits to what he can be sure those 3 people are going to be telling the police anyway:

-------------I was eating lunch in the 2nd fl lunchroom when a cop came in
-------------Wondering what was wrong, I immediately made my way to the front stairs
-------------A lady told me what had just happened outside
-------------I went out to see what was going on.

All very easy, no? Our shooter has managed----somehow!-----not to be seen on one of the upper floors. Now he has in his favor no fewer than 3 sightings of him by respectable people.

About the most idiotic thing he can do is to pretend these things never happened and tell Captain Fritz, "Well, I went outside to watch the Presidential parade".

Yet-----------that is just what he says!

Why would he tell such a wholly unnecessary lie?  ???

And NB NB NB!: Why would his obvious lie be suppressed by Captain Fritz & Co. and only reach the light of day 55 years later?   :o

Yet-----------that is just what he says!

NO!...That is what Hosty says he said....   At the time of the interrogation (3:15 pm 11/22/63) Lee probably wasn't too concerned with being precise.... He was under the impression that he was a suspect in the death of some cop.   I doubt that he was very careful in making sure he was precise in recalling his actions at the TSBD...because I'm sure he knew that there was no cop killed there.
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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #95 on: February 23, 2019, 11:02:57 PM »
So, in other words, you admit you are full of it when you say people could not hear the shots?

Get your head out, and Listen up...Doyly....  I did NOT say that people could not hear the shots....I said that Lee Oswald NEVER EVER said that he heard any shots....

Lee said that he was on the first floor in the Domino Room, when the Presidential parade passed by.....  but he never said anything about hearing any shots..

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #96 on: February 23, 2019, 11:10:53 PM »
Why of course he is. He said something that Cakebread The Kook doesn't like....so, he's automatically a big fat liar! (What a surprise!)

~yawn~

C' mon Vonzie ...Tell us how YOU can determine the caliber, the groove width,  the twist rate, and the proof that the bullet in the photo was fired from the TSBD carcano... 

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/search?q=Walt+Cakebread

You can just skip the BS text....and look at the pretty picture.....

Referring to the pic on the right....How wide is the groove that is clearly visible on the copper jacket....(hint....There is a scale right there....)
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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #97 on: February 23, 2019, 11:19:13 PM »
You will grow old awaiting responsiveness from Walt.... but to be fair, the original source link he likely obtained the note image excerpt
he posted is probably verboten to post on this forum.
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Assignment: Oswald
By James P. Hosty, Thomas Hosty


http://www.jfklancer.com/Hosty_Notes.html
http://www.jfklancer.com/docs.maps/hostynotes_LHO.gif


I especially like the entry that says that Lee told them that he had seen this rifle and two other rifles in Mr Truly's office on Wednesday November 20 1963.




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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #98 on: February 23, 2019, 11:29:33 PM »
You've got to learn to read between the lines when reading evidence..

Oswald is a very cleaver trained spook...

He doesn't mention hearing the shots because he's smart enough to know he'll be asked why he didn't then react and go find out more...Which will lead to why he was in the 2nd floor lunch room in the first place etc...Plus the authorities are omitting information from their side...

The less information the better which is exactly what he did at the police station...

"He doesn't mention hearing the shots"

So you've finally extracted your head..... Now get that stuff outta yer ears and LISTEN....

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #99 on: February 23, 2019, 11:57:34 PM »
Yet-----------that is just what he says!

NO!...That is what Hosty says he said....   At the time of the interrogation (3:15 pm 11/22/63) Lee probably wasn't too concerned with being precise.... He was under the impression that he was a suspect in the death of some cop.   I doubt that he was very careful in making sure he was precise in recalling his actions at the TSBD...because I'm sure he knew that there was no cop killed there.

We can be quite certain that Agent Hosty, given the magnitude of what was at stake, was not apt to be casual about the suspect's claimed whereabouts at the time of the assassination.

The reason he wrote "Then went outside to watch P. Parade" was that he had clearly heard the suspect tell Captain Fritz that he had gone outside to watch the Presidential parade.

And the reason this startling claim never made it into any official report was that it pointed to the rather unwelcome fact that the suspect had an alibi.

Not complicated!
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