So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of a patsy begins?


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Offline Michael O'Brian

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2018, 12:41:01 AM »
So, just to double check this ... had he not gone home that Thursday
the assassination would still have taken place?  So, when does it end?
Damned if he did, damned if he didn't?
According to Marina he did not go home to her on the Thursday 21.11.63, and of course the assasination still took place, for some reason if her story to the magazine is correct, the entire trip to Irving by Oswald to collect the curtainriflerod was invented, by Frazier his sister and Ruth Paine. Marina was then programmed at a later stage to follow this line with them.
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Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2018, 02:15:45 AM »
A lot of damming evidence came from her after the gestapo primed her to their way of thinking, once again her interview with life magazine in the very early stages contradicts every foundation that the case against Oswald was built upon

A lot of damming evidence came from her after the gestapo primed her to their way of thinking,

Marina didn't know much beyond what the authorities were telling her .....  She was in no position to argue with them or refute their tales.   She knew that Lee had been involved in the Walker incident so she thought that possibly Lee had shot JFK  as the authorities were telling her.

In short ....she was confused and scared to death.....Just as Buell Frazier was.... 

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2018, 02:44:05 AM »
According to Marina he did not go home to her on the Thursday 21.11.63, and of course the assasination still took place, for some reason if her story to the magazine is correct, the entire trip to Irving by Oswald to collect the curtainriflerod was invented, by Frazier his sister and Ruth Paine. Marina was then programmed at a later stage to follow this line with them.

This beaut would slot nicely with Fratini's paper bag theory.

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2018, 03:24:17 AM »
A lot of damming evidence came from her after the gestapo primed her to their way of thinking,

Marina didn't know much beyond what the authorities were telling her .....  She was in no position to argue with them or refute their tales.   She knew that Lee had been involved in the Walker incident so she thought that possibly Lee had shot JFK  as the authorities were telling her.

In short ....she was confused and scared to death.....Just as Buell Frazier was....

Do you think both Marina and Buell are scared to death now?
Since they both must be in their 70's and they'll be forever linked to this case
anyway why not go on TV and come clean with what happened esp if it's different
from the official narrative?  I was afraid they would deport me.  I was afraid they'd kill me.
The public would understand. 
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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2018, 04:08:15 AM »


Not one credible witness exists or existed for that matter to verify if Oswald even went home on that Thursday 21/11/63 we can't go by Marina because a lot suggests that she was subject to an extreme element of mind control in the aftermath, . . .


So, Frazier is lying when he says he drove Oswald from work to (near) the Paine?s house? Frazier is lying when he says he drove Oswald from (near) the Paine?s house to work? Frazier?s sister is lying when she saw Oswald put a package into her brother?s car?

Can we imagine the police questioning Frazier for hours about him helping Oswald commit the assassination while Frazier was telling him he did not know that Oswald brought a rifle to work? Indeed, he was not even aware of driving to work with Oswald.



Is it not true that any witness who says something that suggests Oswald might be guilty becomes a noncredible witness, automatically?



Why should we stop there? Why shouldn?t we declare that there are no credible witnesses that Oswald went home to visit his wife on Thursday night, no credible witnesses that Oswald even went into work on Friday morning and no credible witnesses that Oswald was found in a theater 75 minutes after the assassination.




. . . lets not forget her first interview with the magazine, before she went through all of the interogations, it reported that the last time she saw Lee was Thursday over a week prior to the shootings, it went on in the article that he was in good spirits and they discussed getting their own home together.
https://books.google.ie/books?id=U1IEAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&redir_esc=y&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false

Please find Marinas first interview on page 39 on that link, where she mentions seeing him for the last time pre shootings, one week before the day. he lifted up his infant Daughter and was in high spirits, he talked of them finding a family home and buying Christmas presents, before returning to his tiny apartment for another week of work, this was the last time Marina seen her Husband before he was arrested


Easily explained that Marina was afraid that they might charge her with being an accessory. Anything that leads to Oswald guilty, like a trip to the house where he may have picked up the rifle, maybe handed the rifle by Marina, would cause a natural lie that she hadn?t seen him for several days.

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2018, 03:23:04 PM »


Easily explained that Marina was afraid that they might charge her with being an accessory. Anything that leads to Oswald guilty, like a trip to the house where he may have picked up the rifle, maybe handed the rifle by Marina, would cause a natural lie that she hadn?t seen him for several days.

No No No you she was only talking to a magazine reporter at this stage, the gestapo had not begun their programme on her just yet they just had her Husband wasted, she had no reason to lie and she continued he was a good man, he did not do it.
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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2018, 04:35:20 PM »
No No No you she was only talking to a magazine reporter at this stage, the gestapo had not begun their programme yet, she had no reason to lie and she continued he was a good man, he did not do it.

The Tommy Thompson article was submitted before Oswald was terminated with extreme prejudice. Thompson was back in Los Angeles when that happened.

To accommodate the information that Oswald had died, the article text (and I would assume particularly the end portion) was edited. Because of time limitations, it's possible Thompson wasn't involved in the revision.

The original Thompson article was published in a small number of Life issues. I believe it was titled "Assassin: The Man Held for Kennedy's Murder". The banner was then changed and the Jack Beers photo added, along with the story updates.

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2018, 05:36:15 PM »
The Tommy Thompson article was submitted before Oswald was terminated with extreme prejudice. Thompson was back in Los Angeles when that happened.

To accommodate the information that Oswald had died, the article text (and I would assume particularly the end portion) was edited. Because of time limitations, it's possible Thompson wasn't involved in the revision.

The original Thompson article was published in a small number of Life issues. I believe it was titled "Assassin: The Man Held for Kennedy's Murder". The banner was then changed and the Jack Beers photo added, along with the story updates.
Thanks for that info!!! So the interview must have taken place on Friday evening or during Saturday 23.11.63 Very interesting how her version of events regarding her last meeting with her Husband changed

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