So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of a patsy begins?

Users Currently Browsing This Topic:
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Author Topic: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of a patsy begins?  (Read 9866 times)

Online Joe Elliott

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1431
Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2018, 04:08:15 AM »


Not one credible witness exists or existed for that matter to verify if Oswald even went home on that Thursday 21/11/63 we can't go by Marina because a lot suggests that she was subject to an extreme element of mind control in the aftermath, . . .


So, Frazier is lying when he says he drove Oswald from work to (near) the Paine?s house? Frazier is lying when he says he drove Oswald from (near) the Paine?s house to work? Frazier?s sister is lying when she saw Oswald put a package into her brother?s car?

Can we imagine the police questioning Frazier for hours about him helping Oswald commit the assassination while Frazier was telling him he did not know that Oswald brought a rifle to work? Indeed, he was not even aware of driving to work with Oswald.



Is it not true that any witness who says something that suggests Oswald might be guilty becomes a noncredible witness, automatically?



Why should we stop there? Why shouldn?t we declare that there are no credible witnesses that Oswald went home to visit his wife on Thursday night, no credible witnesses that Oswald even went into work on Friday morning and no credible witnesses that Oswald was found in a theater 75 minutes after the assassination.




. . . lets not forget her first interview with the magazine, before she went through all of the interogations, it reported that the last time she saw Lee was Thursday over a week prior to the shootings, it went on in the article that he was in good spirits and they discussed getting their own home together.
https://books.google.ie/books?id=U1IEAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&redir_esc=y&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false

Please find Marinas first interview on page 39 on that link, where she mentions seeing him for the last time pre shootings, one week before the day. he lifted up his infant Daughter and was in high spirits, he talked of them finding a family home and buying Christmas presents, before returning to his tiny apartment for another week of work, this was the last time Marina seen her Husband before he was arrested


Easily explained that Marina was afraid that they might charge her with being an accessory. Anything that leads to Oswald guilty, like a trip to the house where he may have picked up the rifle, maybe handed the rifle by Marina, would cause a natural lie that she hadn?t seen him for several days.

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2018, 04:08:15 AM »

Offline Michael O'Brian

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 184
Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2018, 03:23:04 PM »


Easily explained that Marina was afraid that they might charge her with being an accessory. Anything that leads to Oswald guilty, like a trip to the house where he may have picked up the rifle, maybe handed the rifle by Marina, would cause a natural lie that she hadn?t seen him for several days.

No No No you she was only talking to a magazine reporter at this stage, the gestapo had not begun their programme on her just yet they just had her Husband wasted, she had no reason to lie and she continued he was a good man, he did not do it.
« Last Edit: February 01, 2018, 04:32:10 PM by Michael O'Brian »

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2018, 03:23:04 PM »

Offline Jerry Organ

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1919
  • Halifax - Canada
Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2018, 04:35:20 PM »
No No No you she was only talking to a magazine reporter at this stage, the gestapo had not begun their programme yet, she had no reason to lie and she continued he was a good man, he did not do it.

The Tommy Thompson article was submitted before Oswald was terminated with extreme prejudice. Thompson was back in Los Angeles when that happened.

To accommodate the information that Oswald had died, the article text (and I would assume particularly the end portion) was edited. Because of time limitations, it's possible Thompson wasn't involved in the revision.

The original Thompson article was published in a small number of Life issues. I believe it was titled "Assassin: The Man Held for Kennedy's Murder". The banner was then changed and the Jack Beers photo added, along with the story updates.

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2018, 04:35:20 PM »

Offline Michael O'Brian

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 184
Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2018, 05:36:15 PM »
The Tommy Thompson article was submitted before Oswald was terminated with extreme prejudice. Thompson was back in Los Angeles when that happened.

To accommodate the information that Oswald had died, the article text (and I would assume particularly the end portion) was edited. Because of time limitations, it's possible Thompson wasn't involved in the revision.

The original Thompson article was published in a small number of Life issues. I believe it was titled "Assassin: The Man Held for Kennedy's Murder". The banner was then changed and the Jack Beers photo added, along with the story updates.
Thanks for that info!!! So the interview must have taken place on Friday evening or during Saturday 23.11.63 Very interesting how her version of events regarding her last meeting with her Husband changed

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2018, 05:36:15 PM »

Offline Larry Baldwin

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 23
Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2018, 05:44:05 PM »
This beaut would slot nicely with Fratini's paper bag theory.

Why don't you pull your head out of the sand, go back to Fratini's "Paper Bag theory" thread, and answer the questions left for you. 

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,159.70.html
« Last Edit: February 01, 2018, 05:46:05 PM by Larry Baldwin »

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2018, 05:44:05 PM »

Offline Jerry Organ

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1919
  • Halifax - Canada
Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2018, 05:54:17 PM »
Why don't you pull your head out of the sand, go back to Fratini's "Paper Bag theory" thread, and answer the questions left for you. 

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,159.70.html

So how much of this topic's theory (that Oswald didn't go to Irving on Nov 21) do you, apparently a Fratini supporter, believe?

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2018, 05:54:17 PM »

Offline Larry Baldwin

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 23
Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2018, 07:41:11 PM »
So how much of this topic's theory (that Oswald didn't go to Irving on Nov 21) do you, apparently a Fratini supporter, believe?

I am not sure why you would assume that I believe any of it (or that I am a Fratini supporter).  I happened to like Fratini's post and noticed that you failed to engage in what I can only assume you believed to be a losing battle.

Incidentally, I haven't read the interview but, if Marina was interviewed a week after the shots and says the last time she saw Lee was the previous Thursday, then she is probably referring to the night before the shots. 

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2018, 07:41:11 PM »

Offline Dan DAlimonte

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 171
Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2018, 08:28:33 PM »
I am not sure why you would assume that I believe any of it (or that I am a Fratini supporter).  I happened to like Fratini's post and noticed that you failed to engage in what I can only assume you believed to be a losing battle.

Incidentally, I haven't read the interview but, if Marina was interviewed a week after the shots and says the last time she saw Lee was the previous Thursday, then she is probably referring to the night before the shots.

Hey, Larry.  The interview with Life took place when Oswald was still alive.
So in essence, Oswald did not go home that Thursday and therefore couldn't have
smuggled in a rifle on Friday morning.  This means that any witness who testified
that he did go home was coerced to lie about it.  Which is easier to believe - she
left out that Thursday visit or that happier visit - the weekend before last - was indeed the
last time she saw her husband.

Of course, if he didn't go home ... this means the planners of his patsy hood had
Oswald already implicated whether he came from Irving or from his rooming house.
So why coerce people who could eventually tell the truth about the matter when they could
have said  - it was his rifle so he must have somehow smuggled it in before the President came.

Btw .. if it was that easy to coerce his wife and co-worker what would have prevented them
from coercing a bus driver or a passenger or a stranger had he left his rooming house and state
... Come to think of it.  I did see him carrying a package when he entered the bus.
« Last Edit: February 01, 2018, 09:10:24 PM by Dan DAlimonte »

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2018, 08:28:33 PM »

Online Richard Smith

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3509
Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2018, 08:32:13 PM »
Do you think both Marina and Buell are scared to death now?
Since they both must be in their 70's and they'll be forever linked to this case
anyway why not go on TV and come clean with what happened esp if it's different
from the official narrative?  I was afraid they would deport me.  I was afraid they'd kill me.
The public would understand.

Good point.  Both Marina and Frazier have freely expressed doubts about Oswald's guilt.  But we must believe they are still too scared to set the record straight by confirming that Oswald didn't go to Irving on Thursday.  LOL I thought I had heard it all by now from CTers but that one is a real whopper.  Conspiracy theory in this case is, at its core, a child-like faith that anyone who provides evidence of Oswald's guilt is suspect and a liar.  Even if these same people are relied upon in other instances to support his innocence.  Like Frazier and his two-foot long bag.  Imagine the plan behind that one in this context.  They get Frazier to lie about Oswald going to Irving and carrying a long bag to frame Oswald but then he won't confirm that the bag (which would not have existed at all if Oswald didn't actually make that trip) was long enough to carry the rifle.  The entire intent of this fabrication.  That is fall on the ground laughing material.

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2018, 08:32:13 PM »

Offline Larry Baldwin

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 23
Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2018, 08:33:26 PM »
Hey, Larry.  The interview with Life took place when Oswald was still alive.
So in essence, Oswald did not go home that Thursday and therefore couldn't have
smuggled in a rifle on Friday morning.  This means that any witness who testified
that he did go home was coerced to lie about it.  Which is easier to believe - she
left out that Thursday visit or that happier visit - the weekend before last - was indeed the
last time she saw her husband.

Of course, if he didn't go home ... this means the planners of his patsy hood had
Oswald already implicated whether he came from Irving or from his rooming house.
So why coerce people who could eventually tell the truth about the matter when they could
have said  - it was his rifle so he must have somehow smuggled it in before the President came.

I finally read it.  However, their are no direct quotes from Marina stating that the weekend prior to the assassination was the last time that she saw Lee.  It is the journalist telling the story, not Marina.

 

Mobile View