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Online Thomas Graves

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2019, 08:26:57 PM »
Walt,

You probabably missed this:

"Do you believe KGB-boys Nechiporenko, Yatskov, Kostikov, and (Duran's/Azcue's) 'short, blond, thin, blue-eyed, 35-ish, very thin-faced' (KGB colonel) Nikolai Leonov, because, you know, The Cold War was like over man by 1993 (when Passport to Assassination was published), and the KGB had become a freakin' truth-telling humanitarian organization by that time?"

LOL

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

PS  Cakebread asked: "Who benefited by the death of JFK?"

My answer: Well, in the longrun, KGBMafia-boy Vladimir Putin did, seein' as how Kennedy's murder gave rise to oodles and gobbs of anti-U.S. government Tinfoil Hat Conspiracy Theories, which in turn paved the way for Cozy Bear and Fancy Bear and Guccifer 2.0 and Putin's lackey-agent Julian Assange, and how they successfully trolled American voters who had already been properly "conditioned" by said CTs to forego fact-checking altogether, and just go with whatever clickbait kinda "resonated" with them, be they on the Left, or on the Right.

But in the shorter run, Khruschev certainly stood to benefit from JFK's sudden demise, especially since he knew CIA would figure out that he and/or Castro had done the foul deed.

I've alread posted about that on another thread.  Did you miss that, too?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2019, 08:28:38 PM »
Walt,

You probabably missed this:

"Do you believe KGB-boys Nechiporenko, Yatskov, Kostikov, and (Duran's/Azcue's) 'short, blond, thin, blue-eyed, 35-ish, very thin-faced' (KGB colonel) Nikolai Leonov, because, you know, The Cold War was like over man by 1993 (when Passport to Assassination was published), and the KGB had become a freakin' truth-telling humanitarian organization by that time?"

LOL

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Pssst Muddy....   Once a person KNOWS the truth they lose any interest in listening to bull shippin stories....

Offline Michael Walton

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2019, 08:34:20 PM »
No. He said he didn't just like he said he was a patsy. It doesn't matter what thin-face man says. There is too much evidence elsewhere to show that he was just being set up. They had him where they wanted him.

Read George Michael Evica's books, Tom - A Certain Arrogance and We Are All Mortal. They're available as free downloads. It'd be next to impossible to take all of this planning and setting up of LHO - with Paine, Ruby and others - to then some how project it all on the Russians. There's no way the Russians could have done this much behind the scenes planning as it happened.

And like you seemed to project in another thread, Paine was NOT KGB. That was a real shocker for me to read you say that because except for the Russian thing, you seem pretty sensible otherwise.

Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2019, 08:56:51 PM »
Here (below) is the draft copy of the letter that Oswald sent the Soviet Embassy in Washington where he discusses going to Mexico City and visiting the Cuban consulate and Soviet Embassy. The handwriting was identified as belonging to Oswald.
He would then type a letter - using Ruth Paine's typewriter - and mail it to the Soviet Embassy. Both Marina Oswald and Ruth Paine testified that they saw him type the letter. His signature on that letter was identified as being Oswalds. The letter was shown by the FBI to have been typed on Ruth's typewriter.

The draft (page one):

Page two:


The actual letter:
 
Additionally: People who were on a bus going to MC said they saw and talked to Oswald. People at the hotel - a cleaning lady and waiter - said they saw him. Cubans at the consulate - Duran and Mirabal - say it was Oswald. The Soviet officials - KGB agents - say the man was Oswald and that the man in the photos did NOT identify himself as Oswald. There's a visa issued to Oswald from the Mexican consulate in New Orleans with his handwriting/signature on it. On and on and on it goes.

It's not a question of accepting the KGB accounts. We look at their accounts and corroborating evidence. That evidence for me is conclusive.
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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2019, 09:00:21 PM »
No. He said he didn't just like he said he was a patsy. It doesn't matter what thin-face man says. There is too much evidence elsewhere to show that he was just being set up. They had him where they wanted him.

Read George Michael Evica's books, Tom - A Certain Arrogance and We Are All Mortal. They're available as free downloads. It'd be next to impossible to take all of this planning and setting up of LHO - with Paine, Ruby and others - to then some how project it all on the Russians. There's no way the Russians could have done this much behind the scenes planning as it happened.

And like you seemed to project in another thread, Paine was NOT KGB. That was a real shocker for me to read you say that because except for the Russian thing, you seem pretty sensible otherwise.
Oswald saying - through the accounts given by Fritz and Hosty - that he didn't go to Mexico City is sufficient proof for you that he didn't go? That's all it takes?

Question please: You believe "they" set him up as going to Mexico City and then you believe "they" said he told them he didn't go to Mexico City? Why would they do this?

If they "set" him up why didn't they say he admitted to going there? He was dead; they could say he said anything.

You do realize that what you believe makes no sense at all? You have them framing him for going to MC and then saying he didn't go. Why would they do this?
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2019, 09:07:34 PM »
Pssst Muddy....   Once a person KNOWS the truth they lose any interest in listening to bull shippin stories....

Says Wallyburger..

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2019, 09:15:35 PM »
Here is one of the copies of the transit visa that Oswald applied for when he visited the Cuban consulate in Mexico City. This was supplied by the Cuban government. The signature was identified as belonging to Oswald.

The Cuban official - Sylvia Turan Duran - who typed out the forms has said for more than 55 years that the man she met was Lee Harvey Oswald.


Online Thomas Graves

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2019, 09:27:26 PM »
Here (below) is the draft copy of the letter that Oswald sent the Soviet Embassy in Washington where he discusses going to Mexico City and visiting the Cuban consulate and Soviet Embassy. The handwriting was identified as belonging to Oswald.

He would then type a letter - using Ruth Paine's typewriter - and mail it to the Soviet Embassy. Both Marina Oswald and Ruth Paine testified that they saw him type the letter. His signature on that letter was identified as being Oswalds. The letter was shown by the FBI to have been typed on Ruth's typewriter.

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Steve,

Who's to say that Ruth or Marina or someone else didn't type that letter and write that draft?

Fwiw, according to KGB defector Vasily Mitrokhin, the "Dear Mr. Hunt" letter was forged by the KGB to implicate the Military Industrial Intelligenge Complex in the assassination of JFK.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2019, 09:57:43 PM »
Here is one of the copies of the transit visa that Oswald applied for when he visited the Cuban consulate in Mexico City. This was supplied by the Cuban government. The signature was identified as belonging to Oswald.

The Cuban official - Sylvia Turan Duran - who typed out the forms has said for more than 55 years that the man she met was Lee Harvey Oswald.



Yeah, Steve, and 5' 3.5" Sylvia Tirado de Duran described her "Oswald" as being short, blond-haired, blue-or-green-eyed, and weighing about the same as Eddie Lopez (199 119 lbs.).

Lee Harvey Oswald was 5' 9.5", brown-haired, grey-or-hazel-eyed, and weighed around 135 lbs.

"Third Secretary" KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov, however, was 5' 7", blond-haired, had blue eyes, and was, well, downright skinny.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Oh yeah, and Duran said her "Oswald" was cheaply dressed.

Isn't it interesting that the sweater vest Oswald was wearing in his Cuban Visa Application photo, above, was the same one he was wearing in three or four photos of him that were taken apparently fairly early on in his USSR sojourn?  Point being: that passport-sized photo of him could have been taken in Minsk, and in fact it is very similar in format of other photos in his "Minsk Scrap Book," or whatever it was called.
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Offline Michael Walton

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2019, 10:07:10 PM »
Read the books, Tom.  They're available free. Tell me - do you not find it the least bit intriguing what kind of ring LHO had on when he was arrested? Photos prove what it was. The two free books and the ring he had on are book ends.

 

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