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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Man - An Alternative Solution?
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2018, 12:24:12 PM »
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Is there not already a prayer person thread [about 100 pages of it] ???

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Re: Prayer Man - An Alternative Solution?
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2018, 12:24:12 PM »

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Re: Prayer Man - An Alternative Solution?
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2018, 10:50:28 PM »
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Friends! It is important to recall that it was established some time back on the 'Prayer Woman' thread that no shadow can account for the dark vertical strip down 'Lovelady's' right side in the Wiegman frames. It's a physical impossibility!

This is either Billy Lovelady with some dark garment covering the right side of his red plaid shirt, or it's not Billy Lovelady at all.  ???
As pictured @ about 12:30pm CST, 11/22/'63, filmed from an in-motion hand held moving motion picture camera by a cameraman in a Motorcade Convertible Automobile, in Dallas, Texas, DealeyPlaza, showing the south/southeast facing TexasSchoolBookDepository Building Elm St Entrance Portal Image.
As filmed, there is a definite vertical shadow partially blocking Images from direct sunlight, including BillyNolanLoveladyImage's right side. And, there is nothing draped over his Image's right side at filming!

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Re: Prayer Man - An Alternative Solution?
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2018, 04:54:57 AM »
As photos and film footage taken of the entrance area shortly after the assassination amply show---------------

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----------------the position of the sun in the sky rules out any shadow cast by the west column as the explanation for the dark vertical strip down 'Lovelady' in all the Wiegman doorway frames.

And! There is in Wiegman no human body in 'Lovelady's' vicinity, and to his west, to cast a shadow, vertical or otherwise, down his side!

To suggest otherwise is pure ignorance---or disinformation  ::)

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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2018, 04:54:57 AM »

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Re: Prayer Man - An Alternative Solution?
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2018, 06:59:38 AM »
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As photos and film footage taken of the entrance area shortly after the assassination amply show---------------

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----------------the position of the sun in the sky rules out any shadow cast by the west column as the explanation for the dark vertical strip down 'Lovelady' in all the Wiegman doorway frames.

And! There is in Wiegman no human body in 'Lovelady's' vicinity, and to his west, to cast a shadow, vertical or otherwise, down his side!

To suggest otherwise is pure ignorance---or disinformation  ::)

An all to familiar EdselDodge by Ford, as while discussing a WiegmanFilm frame, but illustrating two different scenes several minutes after the WiegmanFilm, different cameras, different distance, and different camera angles.
Why use any film other than the WiegmanFilm?
And you say, "To suggest otherwise is pure ignorance---or disinformation  ::)"?
??? You wish!

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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2018, 01:22:51 PM »
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An all to familiar EdselDodge by Ford, as while discussing a WiegmanFilm frame, but illustrating two different scenes several minutes after the WiegmanFilm, different cameras, different distance, and different camera angles.
Why use any film other than the WiegmanFilm?
And you say, "To suggest otherwise is pure ignorance---or disinformation  ::)"?
??? You wish!


Poor Mr Trotter evidently believes that a different camera angle on the ground will cause the sun to move its position in the sky! Keep the gags coming, Mr Trotter  :D

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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2018, 01:22:51 PM »

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Re: Prayer Man - An Alternative Solution?
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2018, 04:22:46 PM »
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Poor Mr Trotter evidently believes that a different camera angle on the ground will cause the sun to move its position in the sky! Keep the gags coming, Mr Trotter  :D
And surely you will ::).
Try to remember, over here, Sunlight origin and relative shadow/shadow angle is determined by objects and their placement, as well as their positioning at a given time determined by daily rotation as well as annual orbit
of Our Earth. >:(
But again, why do you use a MartinFilmClip and a HughesFilmClip, both of which were filmed from a different Camera, CameraAngle and CameraDistance, than the WiegmanFilmClip, the basis for your no vertical shadow claim, that was filmed, accordingly, an estimated 20 minutes prior to the MartinFilmClip and HughesFilmClip of the TSBD Elm St EntrancePortal? ???
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« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2018, 04:36:10 PM »
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And surely you will ::).
Try to remember, over here, Sunlight origin and relative shadow/shadow angle is determined by objects and their positioning at a given time determined by daily rotation as well as annual orbit
of Our Earth. >:(
But again, why do you use a MartinFilmClip and a HughesFilmClip, both of which were filmed from a different Camera, CameraAngle and CameraDistance, than the WiegmanFilmClip, the basis for your no vertical shadow claim, that was filmed, accordingly, an estimated 20 minutes prior to the MartinFilmClip and HughesFilmClip of the TSBD Elm St EntrancePortal? ???

Okey dokey, Mr Trotter, if you believe that's a shadow down Mr Lovelady's right side in Wiegman, how about you show us an image (photo or film) that supports your silly notion?

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« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2018, 04:36:10 PM »

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« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2018, 05:00:30 PM »
Ford is switching the topic again...This would all be simply and quickly solved if we asked a professional film analyst...He would quickly tell you it was shadow causing the dark line on Lovelady...It's the only thing it could be and the suggestion it was a jacket draped over Lovelady's right side is what is the silly ignorance here...

Alan has had this issue answered already but is just repeating the same already disproven claims...Typical of Prayer Man backers he rationalizes backwards...A competent analyst realizes it is shadow so therefore seeks out what it tells you...Alan uses the Kamp method of dismissing what it is and then inventing some crazy explanation for it...The dark border is shadow and when you look at Martin for comparison all it tells you is Lovelady is further to the back of the landing where he would intersect that shadow...

Altgens should teach any researcher how badly angle of perspective changes things...Martin is from the reverse angle...While the shadow border does not change, the perception of the places of objects in the portal does...All it means is Lovelady is further back and more to the west side - but it doesn't mean that the shadow we see with our own eyes on Lovelady isn't shadow...This is yet again another prime example of the damaging effect of Prayer Man supporters on competent research...These people are still corrupting the community and arguing for Prayer Man being Oswald long after credible researchers would have seen it was obviously Stanton...

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« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2018, 05:00:30 PM »

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Re: Prayer Man - An Alternative Solution?
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2018, 05:21:44 PM »
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And surely you will ::).
Try to remember, over here, Sunlight origin and relative shadow/shadow angle is determined by objects and their placement, as well as their positioning at a given time determined by daily rotation as well as annual orbit
of Our Earth. >:(
But again, why do you use a MartinFilmClip and a HughesFilmClip, both of which were filmed from a different Camera, CameraAngle and CameraDistance, than the WiegmanFilmClip, the basis for your no vertical shadow claim, that was filmed, accordingly, an estimated 20 minutes prior to the MartinFilmClip and HughesFilmClip of the TSBD Elm St EntrancePortal? ???

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Okey dokey, Mr Trotter, if you believe that's a shadow down Mr Lovelady's right side in Wiegman, how about you show us an image (photo or film) that supports your silly notion?

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So you, AlanFord, make a claim about a WiegmanFilmFrameImage, and use different FilmClips, filmed about 20 minutes later from different Cameras, CameraAngles, and CameraDistances to illustrate your claim of "No Shadow On BillyNolanLovelady Image's Right Side? ::)
So you, AlanFord, make a claim void of reliable provable evidence, but then suggest I "show an image (photo or film) to support my silly notion"? ???
No Sir, it is your claim that requires justification! >:(
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« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2018, 06:29:27 PM »
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So you, AlanFord, make a claim about a WiegmanFilmFrameImage, and use different FilmClips, filmed about 20 minutes later from different Cameras, CameraAngles, and CameraDistances to illustrate your claim of "No Shadow On BillyNolanLovelady Image's Right Side? ::)
So you, AlanFord, make a claim void of reliable provable evidence, but then suggest I "show an image (photo or film) to support my silly notion"? ???
No Sir, it is your claim that requires justification! >:(

LOL.

There was an extensive discussion of this on the Prayer Woman thread, where poor Mr Doyle, his Blessed Apostle Mr Trotter, and one or two others, tried to come up with something--anything!--remotely indicative of a natural shadow that would have cast Mr Lovelady's right side into darkness.

And, guess what---the effort failed!

So! Until poor Mr Doyle, his Blessed Apostle Mr Trotter, or someone else, can show us what they now have in the way of images that might revive the silly notion that the dark strip is a shadow, Mr Trotter's words (as ever) are a waste of good bandwidth.

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