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Re: Tina Towner film
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2018, 09:12:20 AM »
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The Zapruder we see on the Bell Film is Meandering around the area close to the Zapruder Perch. He appears to be doing likewise in Altgens 8. This Contrasts with the High Steppin' gent we see on the Paschall Film above.
Of course the Photographs and Films that you mention contrast with the Paschall clip which I posted above.
They show Zapruder's movements at completely different precise locations, and at completely different precise moments in time, all recorded within a very short precise time frame. 

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Re: Tina Towner film
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2018, 04:31:59 PM »
Of course the Photographs and Films that you mention contrast with the Paschall clip which I posted above.
They show Zapruder's movements at completely different precise locations, and at completely different precise moments in time, all recorded within a very short precise time frame.

    Are you contending that: (1)  Zapruder suffering from Vertigo jumped down off the pedestal unassisted and then Sprinted eastward as we see on the Paschall Film,  and (2) then Suddenly threw it into low gear and began meandering around the pedestal area as we see on the Bell Film?   If so, you are getting warm. Simply expand the running time Between these 2 films and add 1 to your current cast of characters. The Sitzman version of this same time frame as told to Tink Thompson less than 3 years after the assassination provides a rational explanation for the current Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde performance being attributed to Zapruder. 

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Re: Tina Towner film
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2018, 04:41:25 PM »
Are you contending that: (1)  Zapruder suffering from Vertigo jumped down off the pedestal unassisted and then Sprinted eastward as we see on the Paschall Film,  and (2) then Suddenly threw it into low gear and began meandering around the pedestal area as we see on the Bell Film?   If so, you are getting warm. Simply expand the running time Between these 2 films and add 1 to your current cast of characters. The Sitzman version of this same time frame as told to Tink Thompson less than 3 years after the assassination provides a rational explanation for the current Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde performance being attributed to Zapruder.

I'm contending that what you see is what you get, ie, the Historical visually recorded facts showing verifiable time differences between different images captured at different moments in time, which logically accounts for the obvious difference in the movements of Zapruder. It's a no brainer!

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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2018, 04:54:43 PM »


    There is Nothing "logical" as to the movements that have been attributed to a Vertigo suffering, overweight, 58 year old man. Sitzman's narrative checks all the boxes and was her 1st in-depth/detailed interview. The interview was also conducted by a very respected individual. The interview Tink Thompson did with Sitzman was Far more detailed than Anything that was ever done with Zapruder. This would include Zapruder's testimonies.

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Re: Tina Towner film
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2018, 06:20:01 PM »
There is Nothing "logical" as to the movements that have been attributed to a Vertigo suffering, overweight, 58 year old man. Sitzman's narrative checks all the boxes and was her 1st in-depth/detailed interview. The interview was also conducted by a very respected individual. The interview Tink Thompson did with Sitzman was Far more detailed than Anything that was ever done with Zapruder. This would include Zapruder's testimonies.
The movements of Zapruder and Sitzman in the recorded visual records, are the only true records of the movements of Zapruder and Sitzman in those specific recorded visual records.

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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2018, 10:43:46 PM »
The movements of Zapruder and Sitzman in the recorded visual records, are the only true records of the movements of Zapruder and Sitzman in those specific recorded visual records.

    The identities of the people we are discussing in the Bell & Paschall Films have Not been Proven/Verified. Nobody currently alive can with certainty ID the Fuzzy, nondescript images we are discussing on the Bell & Paschall Films. To date, any individual at the top of the Knoll wearing a dark suit and hat has been cavalierly ID'd as Zapruder. This ridiculous rubber stamp ID "process" has also been attached to shadowy image(s) inside the shelter behind Zapruder. These films were around when Both Zapruder and Sitzman were alive. It would have been nice if the FBI/SS/JFK Research Community had sat down with either/both Zapruder/Sitzman showed them the Bell and/or Pashall Films and said, "Is This YOU?". "Do YOU remember being in the physical position we see on this Film?". What would be the problem with sitting down with Wiegman and showing him the Bell Film segment where he is running West across the top of the Knoll and asking him, "Did you see Zapruder and Sitzman directly in front of you?". Whether intentional or due to blatant Incompetence,  the investigation into the assassination of JFK continues to come up wanting. This is due to many of its accepted "facts" being nothing more than Urban Legends which have been Endlessly repeated to the point of eventually being merely accepted as fact. No JFK assassination eyewitness has Ever Corroborated that we are seeing Zapruder on the Bell/Paschall Films. No assassination eyewitness has Ever Corroborated that Emmit Hudson was standing on The Steps. No assassination eyewitness has Ever Corroborated that we are seeing Mr & Mrs Hester on the ground in the Wiegman Film. I could go on.  It is this same type of cavalierly accepting/rubber stamping the ID of assassination eyewitnesses that we ended up with the Mumford/McKinnon Mis ID which stood for 30+ years. How many True eyewitnesses to the JFK assassination have been missed or completely lost as a result of the half arsed methods of investigation which have been and continue to be used and accepted in this case?     
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Re: Tina Towner film
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2018, 08:37:09 AM »
Nobody currently alive can with certainty ID the Fuzzy, nondescript images we are discussing on the Bell & Paschall Films.
I can  :)

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Re: Tina Towner film
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2018, 11:14:34 AM »
As can I, Duncan, and many others too, to the extent possible at this time. Rather than constantly complain about what other researchers didn't do, why doesn't Royall tell us what he has done?