A SW 6th Floor TSBD Gunman Escape Theory


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Offline Nicholas Turner

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Re: A SW 6th Floor TSBD Gunman Escape Theory
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2018, 09:05:08 AM »
OK he did say 'violently forward' ...I fail to see that but then maybe he saw a different film ::)

For accuracy he said 'forward with considerable violence' not 'violently forward'. This isn't correct and hard to understand why he got it wrong but he said he saw it twice only at full speed in a difficult situation and didn't make any notes so just got it wrong.

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Re: A SW 6th Floor TSBD Gunman Escape Theory
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2018, 03:29:32 PM »
For accuracy he said 'forward with considerable violence' not 'violently forward'. This isn't correct and hard to understand why he got it wrong but he said he saw it twice only at full speed in a difficult situation and didn't make any notes so just got it wrong.
BS: BS: BS: See the video again @ 2:12
Not 'hard to understand at all'. Rather was told the public would not be seeing that film.
For his co-operation with the cover up..Liar Rather was made heir apparent to the news anchor spot occupied by Walter Cronkite [another Time Life stooge]
Time Life..stooge company paid oodles for exclusive rights. A bootleg copy was Shanghai-ed  by Mr Josiah Thompson and viewed for the first time by the American public at the Jim Garrison inquiry.

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Offline Nicholas Turner

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Re: A SW 6th Floor TSBD Gunman Escape Theory
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2018, 07:11:33 PM »
BS: BS: BS: See the video again @ 2:12

You're right! Here's to accuracy. ;D. No need for the BS flag waving though.

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Not 'hard to understand at all'. Rather was told the public would not be seeing that film.
For his co-operation with the cover up..Liar Rather was made heir apparent to the news anchor spot occupied by Walter Cronkite [another Time Life stooge]
Time Life..stooge company paid oodles for exclusive rights. A bootleg copy was Shanghai-ed  by Mr Josiah Thompson and viewed for the first time by the American public at the Jim Garrison inquiry.

One way to see it. Any evidence?

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Re: A SW 6th Floor TSBD Gunman Escape Theory
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2018, 03:19:05 AM »
  No need for the BS flag waving though. One way to see it. Any evidence?
The flag was directed [in spirit] at Rather.
Evidence lies manifest..it happened just as described.
 
 
 

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Re: A SW 6th Floor TSBD Gunman Escape Theory
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2018, 03:22:56 AM »
Four women together on the 4th floor together, Adams and Styles were followed by Garner but Dorman would have seen A&S and then Garner. If you wanted to know what was happening then ask Dorman, but they didn't.

As for the lift, if the shooter used it before JED, then they have to evade JED. So JED and BRW don't see each other and JED doesn't see or hear the shooter use the lift.

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« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2018, 04:19:11 AM »
I agree with Tony that its not likely that Shelley and Lovelady could have been standing by the rear elevators at 60 sec posts shots, because both of them are seen outside TSBD in the Couch film moving away from the TSBD at approx.  25 sec post shots when Baker is seen running towards the entrance. It would have been about 35 sec post shots then, when Baker and Truly would have been together on the front steps, and that's when Lovelady would have seen them. Lovelady and Shelly then continued walking even further  away from TSBD:

Mr. BALL - First of all, let's get you to tell us whom you left the steps with.
Mr. LOVELADY - Mr. Shelley.
Mr. BALL - Shelley and you went down how far?
Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I would say a good 75, between 75 to 100 yards to the first tracks. See how those tracks goes---
Mr. BALL - You went down the dead end on Elm?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - And down to the first tracks?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.


75 yds is 225 ft, so at 35 sec post shots after having seen Baker and Truly at the front entrance, Billy Lovelady travels to some point 225 ft away from the west side entrance of TSBD and then must travel back again to have entered TSBD again. So 550 ft at 5 ft/sec pace would require an additional 100 secs added which therefore puts it about 2 min post shots as the earliest that Lovelady and Shelly could have returned into TSBD by the west side loading dock ramp.




The Jack Dougherty dilemma: When did Jack take the West elevator down or if he did not, who did?

If its JD, using the west elevator by himself, there are only 2 options:

1.West elevator taken down about 5 sec post shots, reached 1st floor approx 30 sec post shots, and then elevator returns itself to stop at 5th floor by 70 sec posts shots. JD walked across 1st floor at least about 85 ft away from west elevator to talk with Eddie
Piper standing near a window at the front of the 1st floor TSBD.


2. West elevator taken down about 5 seconds after Truly/Baker left elevator shaft to start up the immediate rear staircase approx 75 sec post shots. The West elevator started therefore from 5th floor at 75 sec post shots, went past the 2nd floor landing at approx 90 sec post shots while Baker is in the 2nd floor lunchroom, and Truly looking from outer door. Baker//Truly are unaware elevator went past being distracted with Oswald.



If a 6th floor shooter from SW window used the West elevator begining 10 sec post shots, and the elevator travels 1 floor/5 sec speed, the West elevator would reach 1st foor by 35 sec post shots. It then would have returned itself, upon gates being closed by the shooter,  to the 6th floor by 70 sec post shots, where it would be seen by Truly looking up the shaft, and guestimating it to be on 5th or 6th floor. The West elevator could have remained on 6th floor when Truly.Baker reach 5th floor, or a 2nd shooter on 6th floor could have taken it down beginning 75 sec post shots, passing by 2nd floor landing 90 sec posts shots, as in the JD scenario option.
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Re: A SW 6th Floor TSBD Gunman Escape Theory
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2018, 03:12:39 PM »
The west elevator could be "called" by use of a button but required the gates to be closed. The east elevator could only be operated manually by someone in the lift and could not be "called". It too would not move unless the gates were closed.

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