LNers: Your Views of the Missed Shot?

[Steve Taylor]

The Tague trajectory graphic I provided is an illustration of the claim that the curb strike originated from the head shot metal fragmentation.

The WCR could not decide between the two explanations in my post.

    "Even if it were caused by a bullet fragment, the mark on the
     south curb of Main Street cannot be identified conclusively
     with any of the three shots fired. Under the circumstances it
     might have come from the bullet which hit the President's head,
     or it might have been a product of the fragmentation of the
     missed shot upon hitting some other object in the area."

So you now can fault them for not concluding anything about the Tague hit, just as you would fault them if they had concluded something.

With reference to your graphic, LNers generally do not contend the Tague hit was a direct-line shot from the SN window.

You theory only accounts for 2 hits.  What happened to the 3rd bullet?

[Steve Taylor]

First, a general trend in the frames 194-206 may be noted. Beginning as early as frame 194, the President's body seems to undergo a motion forward and to the left. This motion, which can be visually approximated to be on the order of six or seven inches, seems to begin in frame 194 and continues through about frame 200. The President seems to move away from the seat back and tilt to to the left, away from the window ledge.

I agree with thee panel you cited.  Between 194-206 looks probable.

[Steve Taylor]

The FBI initially believed (upon accepting Tague?s story) that it was a result of headshot fragmentation, and a few variations of a SBT were proposed at the autopsy. The SBT stands for a few reasons, chief them was the existence of only two bullets and the torso wounds to JFK. Despite weirdly prevalent assertions to the contrary, a ?shallow back wound? is physically impossible.   

Same question I gave to Jerry - what happened to the 3rd bullet if Tague was injured by a fragment?  And why is a shallow back wound physically impossible?  To me, this is the main evidence that the MC, firing nearly 20 year old ammo, was involved at all.

[Bill Chapman]

Can people stop posting those giant images
You're eating up bandwidth for the sake of posting blobs of pixels that shoW SFA

[Joe Elliott]

Can people stop posting those giant images
You're eating up bandwidth for the sake of posting blobs of pixels that shoW SFA

Actually, these images show us a lot. They show us that CTers can see gunmen in almost any image from Dealey Plaza taken on November 22, 1963. They don?t tell us a lot about what happened. But they give us lots of insight into the minds of CTers.
I wonder if while in Kindergarten, if they could always spot Waldo immediately, but usually in the wrong place.

[Bill Chapman]

Actually, these images show us a lot. They show us that CTers can see gunmen in almost any image from Dealey Plaza taken on November 22, 1963. They don?t tell us a lot about what happened. But they give us lots of insight into the minds of CTers.
I wonder if while in Kindergarten, if they could always spot Waldo immediately, but usually in the wrong place.

It's funny when CTers accuses LNers of seeing what we want to see, and at the same time let these whack jobs who see shooters everywhere off scot free.

[Bill Chapman]

Same question I gave to Jerry - what happened to the 3rd bullet if Tague was injured by a fragment?  And why is a shallow back wound physically impossible?  To me, this is the main evidence that the MC, firing nearly 20 year old ammo, was involved at all.

The Medical Evidence
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/medical.htm

Probing a wound.

Conspiracy books place great emphasis on the fact that the autopsists were unable to probe the wound in Kennedy?s back more than a inch or so into the body. They believe that this proves that the bullet didn?t penetrate more then an inch or so. Forensic pathologists don?t accept this idea.

The following is a quote from the Forensic Pathology Panel of the House Select Committee on Assassinations:

(430)" The panel believes that the difficulty which Drs. Humes, Finck, and Boswell experienced in trying to place a soft probe through the bullet pathway in President Kennedy?s neck probably resulted from their failure or inability to manipulate this portion of the body into the same position it was in when the missile penetrated. Rigor mortis may have hindered this manipulation. Such placement would have enabled reconstruction of the relationships of the neck and shoulder when the missile struck. It is customary, however, to dissect missile tracks to determine damage and pathway. Probing a track blindly may produce false tracks and misinformation."

[Mitch Todd]

Same question I gave to Jerry - what happened to the 3rd bullet if Tague was injured by a fragment?  And why is a shallow back wound physically impossible?  To me, this is the main evidence that the MC, firing nearly 20 year old ammo, was involved at all.

1.) Who said there were three shots? What if there were only two?
2.) The problems with a shallow back wound: a) Ruby shot Oswald with a snub-nose .38 special revolver. It's not a particularly penetrating projectile. Still, the bullet went from one side of Oswald to the other. A rifle bullet at any normal velocity would go at least as far. b)According to the Edgewood tests, the 6.5 Carcano bullets they tested only lost 400fps travelling completely through a simulated human neck made of meat covered with goatskin. Other experiments had determine that it takes a rifle-caliber steel ball about 150fps just to penetrate the skin. So a bullet that only burrows in an inch or so to the body is going to impact JFK travelling on the order of 200-400ft/sec. At 200ft/sec a bullet fired from 200ft away has a 1 second flight time, and will drop 1/2*(32.2ft/s/s)*1s = 16 feet. A bullet travelling at 400ft/sec will fly for 0.5sec and similarly drop 4 feet. So, to hit JFK with such a pokey projectile, the shooter would have to be aiming for a point several feet above JFK's head, which doesn't make sense. c.) If the bullet was stopped by the spine, it would have caused severe damage to the vertebra.