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Title: Ferrie Flight Plan
Post by: Colin Crow on June 28, 2018, 03:24:29 PM
Anyone know of the authenticity of this?

(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5291/1101/1600/post-2230-11207412305.jpg)
Title: Re: Ferrie Flight Plan
Post by: Colin Crow on June 29, 2018, 10:12:52 AM
Anyone have samples of Ferrie's handwriting? More info on that Cessna? Did he have access to one in ?63?
Title: Re: Ferrie Flight Plan
Post by: Mitch Todd on June 30, 2018, 12:11:08 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_T-37_Tweet
First fligh '54...it was likely this one imo.
The "A" was first flown in '64....
Both were 2 seaters.

A Cessna model 37, not a T-37. The C37 appeared in the 30's, and was derived from the C34. It evolved into the C165 Airmaster. The T-37 was a Cessna model 318.

http://www.aviastar.org/air/usa/cessna_34.php
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_165
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled/Cessna-C-37-Airmaster/1002260


Title: Re: Ferrie Flight Plan
Post by: Joffrey van de Wiel on July 01, 2018, 02:40:55 AM
Anyone know of the authenticity of this?

(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5291/1101/1600/post-2230-11207412305.jpg)

We all know who Hidell (supposedly) was, but any clue who "Lambert' and 'Diaz' are?
Title: Re: Ferrie Flight Plan
Post by: Mitch Todd on July 01, 2018, 04:57:26 AM
We all know who Hidell (supposedly) was, but any clue who "Lambert' and 'Diaz' are?

Does anyone know how and where it appeared.

BTW, most sources I see say the c37/c38/165 max endurance is 4-4.5 hours. The "Ferrie" FP is showing 5.5. Wonder why?
Title: Re: Ferrie Flight Plan
Post by: Colin Crow on July 01, 2018, 05:07:52 AM
Mitch thanks for your input. From my limited understanding it was a Garrison document that was collected by the HSCA.
Title: Re: Ferrie Flight Plan
Post by: Colin Crow on July 01, 2018, 02:18:29 PM
Does anyone know how and where it appeared.

BTW, most sources I see say the c37/c38/165 max endurance is 4-4.5 hours. The "Ferrie" FP is showing 5.5. Wonder why?

I saw a quote of C37 range of 550 miles. Hammond to Garland is about 470 miles. However I have seen nothing to suggest the C37 could carry more than pilot and co-pilot.
Title: Re: Ferrie Flight Plan
Post by: Ray Mitcham on July 01, 2018, 02:25:21 PM
I saw a quote of C37 range of 550 miles. Hammond to Garland is about 470 miles. However I have seen nothing to suggest the C37 could carry more than pilot and co-pilot.

Colin, according to Wiki. the C37 could carry four people.

General characteristics
Crew: 1
Capacity: 3 passengers
Length: 24 ft 10 in (7.57 m)
Wingspan: 33 ft 10 in (10.31 m)
Height: 7 ft 3 in (2.21 m)
Wing area: 180 sq ft (17 m2)
Empty weight: 1,300 lb (590 kg)
Gross weight: 2,220 lb (1,007 kg)
Fuel capacity: 35 US gal (29 imp gal; 130 L)
Powerplant: 1 ? Warner Super Scarab 7-cylinder radial engine, 145 hp (108 kW)
Title: Re: Ferrie Flight Plan
Post by: Colin Crow on July 01, 2018, 02:30:57 PM
Colin, according to Wiki. the C37 could carry four people.

General characteristics
Crew: 1
Capacity: 3 passengers
Length: 24 ft 10 in (7.57 m)
Wingspan: 33 ft 10 in (10.31 m)
Height: 7 ft 3 in (2.21 m)
Wing area: 180 sq ft (17 m2)
Empty weight: 1,300 lb (590 kg)
Gross weight: 2,220 lb (1,007 kg)
Fuel capacity: 35 US gal (29 imp gal; 130 L)
Powerplant: 1 ? Warner Super Scarab 7-cylinder radial engine, 145 hp (108 kW)

Ah thanks Ray.....I also saw a page that said the fuel capacity could be 45 gallons. Two wing tanks of 17.5 gall and a centre tank of 10 gall. There was also mention of a reserve tank.
Title: Re: Ferrie Flight Plan
Post by: Ray Mitcham on July 01, 2018, 02:35:36 PM
Ah thanks Ray.....I also saw a page that said the fuel capacity could be 45 gallons. Two wing tanks of 17.5 gall and a centre tank of 10 gall. There was also mention of a reserve tank.

What would be the weight of that fuel and four average size passengers, compared to it's 920lbs nett carrying weight?
Title: Re: Ferrie Flight Plan
Post by: Colin Crow on July 01, 2018, 03:25:38 PM
What would be the weight of that fuel and four average size passengers, compared to it's 920lbs nett carrying weight?

Well we know Hidell was 165lbs......just kidding..... ;D
Title: Re: Ferrie Flight Plan
Post by: Ray Mitcham on July 01, 2018, 03:25:57 PM
Thx Colin/Ray
Thumb1:  The wieght of 45 gallons equates to 300lbs. so that allows just 620lbs for the pilot and three passengers.
Title: Re: Ferrie Flight Plan
Post by: Colin Crow on July 01, 2018, 03:57:58 PM
I have not been able to find any examples of Ferries' handwriting.
However,
There is a much better image of the document here: (at a link)
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/6750-david-ferrie-flight-plan/ (http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/6750-david-ferrie-flight-plan/)

Researchers will note the strange use of an upper case letter "E" in every instance on the document...except for the letter "e" in the Hidell name.

Anyone have any thoughts on this odd switch to a  lower case "e"?

Looks to be an attempt at upper case to me. Just that the middle horizontal blends with the upper.
Title: Re: Ferrie Flight Plan
Post by: Joffrey van de Wiel on July 02, 2018, 05:10:46 PM
Colin, has anyone established where Garrison obtained this copy of a flight plan?
Good to establish a chain of custody.
Especially the primary source

Here is the story about the discovery of the flight plan, according to Francesca Akhtar writing in the Dealey Plaza Echo.

(https://www.maryferrell.org/archive/docs/057/57728/images/img_57728_9_200.png)

(https://www.maryferrell.org/archive/docs/057/57728/images/img_57728_10_200.png)

I am sorry but I do not know how to make the pages appear smaller. Anyway, the information is here.
Title: Re: Ferrie Flight Plan
Post by: Colin Crow on July 03, 2018, 06:26:15 AM
Sorry Jim, been away for a while. Regarding the handwriting....you could be right but not definitive to my mind. Not sure how putting Hidell on a form "blows anyone's cover". All it needed was knowledge of an identity.