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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Matt Grantham on May 15, 2018, 10:52:56 PM
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It looks like LBJ was not in the picture as the assassination was about to happen .
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Thanks for placing the time
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"The Senator who Suspected a JFK Conspiracy
Yarborough's Suspicion of Lyndon Johnson
"...There is the well-publicized story of Agent Rufus Youngblood, who reportedly threw himself on top of Vice President Johnson after the shooting began in Dealey Plaza.... Johnson, in a statement to the Warren Commission, mentioned the incident:
I was startled by a sharp report or explosion, but I had no time to speculate as to its origin because Agent Youngblood turned in a flash, immediately after the first explosion, hitting me on the shoulder, and shouted to all of us in the back seat to get down. I was pushed down by Agent Youngblood. Almost in the same moment in which he hit or pushed me, he vaulted over the back seat and sat on me. I was bent over under the weight of Agent Youngblood's body, toward Mrs. Johnson and Senator Yarborough....
However, former Texas senator Ralph Yarborough, who was sitting beside Johnson that day, told this author:
'It just didn't happen.... It was a small car, Johnson was a big man, tall. His knees were up against his chin as it was. There was no room for that to happen.' Yarborough recalled that both Johnson and Youngblood ducked down as the shooting began and that Youngblood never left the front seat. Yarborough said Youngblood held a small walkie-talkie over the back of the car's seat and that he and Johnson both put their ears to the device. He added: 'They had it turned down real low. I couldn't hear what they were listening to.'"
http://jfktruth.org/LBJ/DuckedBeforeFirstShotAtJFK/index.htm
LBJ can be seen in an unusually low position in his seat, relative to his height, as his car is heading TOWARDS TSBD as in seen in the Hughes film.
Perhaps the real reason for box placed on window ledge in obvious plain sight, is that it was a signal to LBJ in the motorcade, that the operation was about to commence. LBJ might have actually thought the shots would be starting on Houston st, after seeing box on the window ledge.
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Why post a photo (Altgens 6) taken AFTER shots (plural) have been fired when you're asking what anyone was doing BEFORE any shots were fired?
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Why post a photo (Altgens 6) taken AFTER shots (plural) have been fired when you're asking what anyone was doing BEFORE any shots were fired?
Maybe we are talking one or two seconds Apparently the old codger had the reactions of a ninja Also it is not what he said happened since, according to LBJ. he was supposedly pushed down by "Youngblood at the time of the first shot While admittedly vague at times, there are 4 films other other than the Altgens 6 photograph, that show the other 4 passengers nut not LBJ. BJ Martin testified that many of his fellow officers said LBJ was ducking down about 30 seconds before the shots Your best bet is to go with 'playing with his walkie talkie theory
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Why post a photo (Altgens 6) taken AFTER shots (plural) have been fired when you're asking what anyone was doing BEFORE any shots were fired?
Even if IF? the photo was taken AFTER the shots were fired ( it wasn't) Are you telling me that Lyin Bastroid Johnson had the world's fastest reflexes and he reacted faster than Superman? Nobody else in the photo has reacted to the shots ( because they have not yet been fired)
And why does the driver who is closer to the camera appear to be further away???
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Maybe we are talking one or two seconds
Uhh...No. More like five and a half seconds or longer.
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Uhh...No. More like five and a half seconds or longer.
Like you or anybody else knows exactly when the shooting started.
But no, LBJ is not ducking in Altgens 6.
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(http://jfktruth.org/LBJ/DuckedBeforeFirstShotAtJFK/LBJSlidesFurtherDownRed.jpg)
Looks like ducking to me :)
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Uhh...No. More like five and a half seconds or longer.
What is the evidence for that? Again there is other photograph evidence Several officers said they saw him down 30 second earlier
Probably my favorite thread in terms of comedic proportions None of it is funny but I do love the fact LBJ even has the face such a predicament in his historical legacy
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Like you or anybody else knows exactly when the shooting started.
But no, LBJ is not ducking in Altgens 6.
Do you actually see LBJ in the photo?? I can't see him.
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Even if IF? the photo was taken AFTER the shots were fired ( it wasn't) Are you telling me that Lyin Bastroid Johnson had the world's fastest reflexes and he reacted faster than Superman? Nobody else in the photo has reacted to the shots ( because they have not yet been fired)
And why does the driver who is closer to the camera appear to be further away???
I thought you believed he was looking up for those red circles painted on the TSBD windows? LOL. One of the looniest theories around. I really hope you don't believe that kind of nonsense.
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Like you or anybody else knows exactly when the shooting started.
But no, LBJ is not ducking in Altgens 6.
If it looks like a duck
if it quacks like a duck
if it ducks like a duck?
It must be a duck
Yes he has finished ducking at that point if that is what you mean
Altgens 6 is Z frame 167?
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The real question is just how many of these kookass threads are you going to continue to post?
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The real question is just how many of these kookass threads are you going to continue to post?
The fodder seems relatively endless
I believe kook-ass is hyphenated I don't like going to grammar rules, but you inspire me
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I thought you believed he was looking up for those red circles painted on the TSBD windows? LOL. One of the looniest theories around. I really hope you don't believe that kind of nonsense.
Perhaps you can tell me the purpose of all those red circles on the TSBD windows.... So far there have been a couple of looney, irrational attempts to explain the red rings. Incidentally the rings were not PAINTED on the windows....
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Perhaps you can tell me the purpose of all those red circles on the TSBD windows.... So far there have been a couple of looney, irrational attempts to explain the red rings. Incidentally the rings were not PAINTED on the windows....
Gary Mack explained it to you. I've explained it to you. Newspaper articles were posted explaining it to you. A loon can't be unconvinced of their nutty pet theory. Just to recap, Walt apparently believes these red circles were some type of signal to LBJ that the assassination was going to happen or some James Bond-type nonsense. Imagine the narrative behind that fringe theory?
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Gary Mack explained it to you. I've explained it to you. Newspaper articles were posted explaining it to you. A loon can't be unconvinced of their nutty pet theory. Just to recap, Walt apparently believes these red circles were some type of signal to LBJ that the assassination was going to happen or some James Bond-type nonsense. Imagine the narrative behind that fringe theory?
Have you ever looked at Project Northwoods? That plan seemed Hollywood inspired
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Gary Mack explained it to you. I've explained it to you. Newspaper articles were posted explaining it to you. A loon can't be unconvinced of their nutty pet theory. Just to recap, Walt apparently believes these red circles were some type of signal to LBJ that the assassination was going to happen or some James Bond-type nonsense. Imagine the narrative behind that fringe theory?
Yes, you're right, there have been attempts to get me to take a bite of a dog turd by claiming it's a candy bar......Now simply because you've fallen for the ridiculous idea that the red rings were a signal for the fire department don't assume that everybody is a gullible as yourself.
Ask yourself .... How the hell would any fireman know where to place his ladder with seven windows with red rings on them?
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Even if IF? the photo was taken AFTER the shots were fired ( it wasn't) Are you telling me that Lyin Bastroid Johnson had the world's fastest reflexes and he reacted faster than Superman? Nobody else in the photo has reacted to the shots ( because they have not yet been fired)
And why does the driver who is closer to the camera appear to be further away???
Even if IF? the photo was taken AFTER the shots were fired ( it wasn't)...
No one said the photo was taken after THE shots were fired. I said the photo was taken after shots were fired. Understand the difference?
Are you telling me that Lyin Bastroid Johnson had the world's fastest reflexes and he reacted faster than Superman?
No. I'm not telling you that. LBJ is not reacting at all yet.
Nobody else in the photo has reacted to the shots...
Correct, LBJ included.
( because they have not yet been fired)
They haven't? Then what is President Kennedy doing with his hands up toward his neck?
Learn the evidence.
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What is the evidence for that? Again there is other photograph evidence Several officers said they saw him down 30 second earlier
Probably my favorite thread in terms of comedic proportions None of it is funny but I do love the fact LBJ even has the face such a predicament in his historical legacy
Come on, Matt. LBJ was not ducking thirty seconds earlier. Do you seriously believe that he would be cowering down just moments after his vehicle had just made the turn from Main onto Houston?
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Maybe we are talking one or two seconds
Uhh...No. More like five and a half seconds or longer.
That's right, Tim.
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If it looks like a duck
if it quacks like a duck
if it ducks like a duck?
It must be a duck
Yes he has finished ducking at that point if that is what you mean
Altgens 6 is Z frame 167?
Altgens 6 is generally accepted as frame 255.
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Yes, you're right, there have been attempts to get me to take a bite of a dog turd by claiming it's a candy bar......Now simply because you've fallen for the ridiculous idea that the red rings were a signal for the fire department don't assume that everybody is a gullible as yourself.
Ask yourself .... How the hell would any fireman know where to place his ladder with seven windows with red rings on them?
So you think the explanation provided in the Dallas newspapers years before this event was planted in anticipation of the assassination and that is more ridiculous that these red circles were a fire safety measure than a prearranged signal to LBJ that the assassination of the president was going down? Got it. Someone get a butterfly net while Walt is distracted.
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Yes, you're right, there have been attempts to get me to take a bite of a dog turd by claiming it's a candy bar.....
More details, please.
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Ask yourself .... How the hell would any fireman know where to place his ladder with seven windows with red rings on them?
Any of them?
Ask yourself why one "signal ring" wouldn't be enough for LBJ.....
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Any of them?
Ask yourself why one "signal ring" wouldn't be enough for LBJ.....
Psssst.....The message was twofold.... One symbol two different meanings...
Red rings for JFK.... Hey, JFK you fink.... remember the umbrella of air cover you promised you would provide at red beach. (BOP) We had our position marked with the RED RINGS so the friendlies (USN) could ID our position, But YOU failed to send us the air umbrella......
Red Rings for LBJ... Everything set for the hit.... Just give us the thumbs up.....
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Don't forget the white Stetson hat signal too!
(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/roflmao.gif)
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Don't forget the white Stetson hat signal too!
(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/roflmao.gif)
The white Stetson signal.....???
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Correct, LBJ included.
Here is a link with many pictures of LBJ, or the lake thereof during the time in question
http://www.jfktruth.org/LBJ/DuckedBeforeFirstShotAtJFK/index.htm
Another link which claims Altgens 6 occurs at Z-frame 167
http://jfkfilmanalysis.blogspot.com/
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So you think the explanation provided in the Dallas newspapers years before this event was planted in anticipation of the assassination and that is more ridiculous that these red circles were a fire safety measure than a prearranged signal to LBJ that the assassination of the president was going down? Got it. Someone get a butterfly net while Walt is distracted.
My Dear ignoramus....During WWII after the attack on Pearl Harbor the citizens were jumpy and worried about Japanese incendiary bombs being dropped on US cities.....Many high rise buildings had inadequate fire escapes so certain windows were designated as escape routes. Those windows were usually at the end of hallways and the windows had a large red ring place on the window pane so the fire department would know where to place their ladder in the event of a fire.
The red rings on the south face of the TSBD were only on the fifth sixth and seventh floors and they weren't in any logical unobstructed escape route. As a matter of fact there is one of the rings seen from inside of the building and there are boxes of books stacked hi front of the window.
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Here is a link with many pictures of LBJ, or the lake thereof during the time in question
http://www.jfktruth.org/LBJ/DuckedBeforeFirstShotAtJFK/index.htm
Another link which claims Altgens 6 occurs at Z-frame 167
http://jfkfilmanalysis.blogspot.com/
LBJ was not ducking.
Altgens 6 occurs at Z-255.
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My Dear ignoramus....During WWII after the attack on Pearl Harbor the citizens were jumpy and worried about Japanese incendiary bombs being dropped on US cities.....Many high rise buildings had inadequate fire escapes so certain windows were designated as escape routes. Those windows were usually at the end of hallways and the windows had a large red ring place on the window pane so the fire department would know where to place their ladder in the event of a fire.
The red rings on the south face of the TSBD were only on the fifth sixth and seventh floors and they weren't in any logical unobstructed escape route. As a matter of fact there is one of the rings seen from inside of the building and there are boxes of books stacked hi front of the window.
Making progress. So now you acknowledge that red rings were used on the windows of buildings for fire safety purposes. Just as Gary Mack and the Dallas papers have explained.
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Gary Mack explained it to you. I've explained it to you. Newspaper articles were posted explaining it to you. A loon can't be unconvinced of their nutty pet theory. Just to recap, Walt apparently believes these red circles were some type of signal to LBJ that the assassination was going to happen or some James Bond-type nonsense. Imagine the narrative behind that fringe theory?
Walt apparently believes these red circles were some type of signal to LBJ that the assassination was going to happen
They were notification for LBJ...The red rings notified LBJ that everything was in place for the coup d e'tat....the evidence had been planted ...the patsy was cooperating and setting himself up. The hit squad was waiting.....All that was needed was the signal from LBJ.
Ask yourself which is the least rational....The above.....OR.... The Magic Bullet THEORY ???
Richie believes in magic bullets.....
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Walt apparently believes these red circles were some type of signal to LBJ that the assassination was going to happen
They were notification for LBJ...The red rings notified LBJ that everything was in place for the coup d e'tat....the evidence had been planted ...the patsy was cooperating and setting himself up. The hit squad was waiting.....All that was needed was the signal from LBJ.
Ask yourself which is the least rational....The above.....OR.... The Magic Bullet THEORY ???
Richie believes in magic bullets.....
So someone couldn't have just told him that? Instead someone had to paint magic red circles on the very building from which the shots were supposed to be fired instead of any other building in Dallas? Not suspicious or risky at all. LOL. And then travel back in their time machine and write a newspaper article explaining that the red circles are used for fire safety purposes. Honestly, surely you can't really believe this nonsense. I think many CTers take this up as a hobby and try to come up with any narrative to absolve Oswald. They don't even have to believe it themselves. It just needs to be a scenario they can dream up.
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LBJ was not ducking.
Altgens 6 occurs at Z-255.
LBJ was ducking
Altgens occurs at Z film 167
Such stimulating discourse!
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Making progress. So now you acknowledge that red rings were used on the windows of buildings for fire safety purposes. Just as Gary Mack and the Dallas papers have explained.
I've always acknowledged that there was a SINGLE red ring placed in a window to serve as a notice to firemen so they would know where to place their ladder.
Only a complete idiot would believe that multiple windows would have red rings placed on them as a signal to firemen.
However you do deserve praise for being smart enough and honest enough, to acknowledge that the red rings were a SIGNAL ...
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Walt apparently believes these red circles were some type of signal to LBJ that the assassination was going to happen
They were notification for LBJ...The red rings notified LBJ that everything was in place for the coup d e'tat....the evidence had been planted ...the patsy was cooperating and setting himself up. The hit squad was waiting.....All that was needed was the signal from LBJ.
Ask yourself which is the least rational....The above.....OR.... The Magic Bullet THEORY ???
Richie believes in magic bullets.....
There's nothing rational about Walt's fabrications -- they are just completely made up stories.
Walt's Fabrications (https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,99.0.html)
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So someone couldn't have just told him that? Instead someone had to paint magic red circles on the very building from which the shots were supposed to be fired instead of any other building in Dallas? Not suspicious or risky at all. LOL. And then travel back in their time machine and write a newspaper article explaining that the red circles are used for fire safety purposes. Honestly, surely you can't really believe this nonsense. I think many CTers take this up as a hobby and try to come up with any narrative to absolve Oswald. They don't even have to believe it themselves. It just needs to be a scenario they can dream up.
Duh....You really are obtuse aren't you Richie.....Do you really think that someone on the assassination team would have called out...."OK Lyndon....everything is go.... Can I give the killers the OK?"
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I've always acknowledged that there was a SINGLE red ring placed in a window to serve as a notice to firemen so they would know where to place their ladder.
Only a complete idiot would believe that multiple windows would have red rings placed on them as a signal to firemen.
However you do deserve praise for being smart enough and honest enough, to acknowledge that the red rings were a SIGNAL ...
You don't think there would be more than one floor/window in the building that the fireman might need to access? Particularly since they would not know in advance which floor the fire was on etc.
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Duh....You really are obtuse aren't you Richie.....Do you really think that someone on the assassination team would have called out...."OK Lyndon....everything is go.... Can I give the killers the OK?"
But you believe they could paint red circles on the building from which the shots were fired and presumably communicate the significance of those circles to LBJ (i.e. exactly what you indicate couldn't be done here) or they would have been meaningless to him. You find that more plausible than someone just saying to him "it's a go" that morning. LOL. Keep spinning the yarn. It gets better and better.
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You don't think there would be more than one floor/window in the building that the fireman might need to access? Particularly since they would not know in advance which floor the fire was on etc.
Picture his.....The Firemen arrive with their ladder truck....Smoke is billowing out of the upper floor windows of the TSBD.....but there are seven red rings on the windows ..... Where do they place their ladder?? If they placed a ladder at the east end of the sixth floor where there was a red ring......Nobody inside would have access to that window, because it was blocked by boxes of books.
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Picture his.....The Firemen arrive with their ladder truck....Smoke is billowing out of the upper floor windows of the TSBD.....but there are seven red rings on the windows ..... Where do they place their ladder?? If they placed a ladder at the east end of the sixth floor where there was a red ring......Nobody inside would have access to that window, because it was blocked by boxes of books.
Picture this. The fireman arrive with their ladder truck. There is only one red ring for the building and that window is inaccessible because of the fire. Now what? Time to roast some weenies?
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I've always acknowledged that there was a SINGLE red ring placed in a window to serve as a notice to firemen so they would know where to place their ladder.
Only a complete idiot would believe that multiple windows would have red rings placed on them as a signal to firemen.
However you do deserve praise for being smart enough and honest enough, to acknowledge that the red rings were a SIGNAL ...
If you believe there was already a red ring on the TSBD for fire safety purposes, how exactly was LBJ supposed to know whether the red ring he saw was the "signal" or the pre-existing fire safety circle? It seems like a pretty confusing and unnecessary signal just moments before the shots are fired. And you also think these red circles were for JFK as well - the target? Maybe give him a sporting chance to duck as well. I'm done with this.
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Duh....You really are obtuse aren't you Richie.....Do you really think that someone on the assassination team would have called out...."OK Lyndon....everything is go.... Can I give the killers the OK?"
Is that supposed to prove that the red rings were signals to LBJ?
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But you believe they could paint red circles on the building from which the shots were fired and presumably communicate the significance of those circles to LBJ (i.e. exactly what you indicate couldn't be done here) or they would have been meaningless to him. You find that more plausible than someone just saying to him "it's a go" that morning. LOL. Keep spinning the yarn. It gets better and better.
Yer dumber than a post..... An operation like the murder of the President involving Hoover and LBJ had to be given the high sign at the last minute.... That's the problem with you LNer's you've got simple minds like grammar school kids.
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If you believe there was already a red ring on the TSBD for fire safety purposes, how exactly was LBJ supposed to know whether the red ring he saw was the "signal" or the pre-existing fire safety circle? It seems like a pretty confusing and unnecessary signal just moments before the shots are fired. And you also think these red circles were for JFK as well - the target? Maybe give him a sporting chance to duck as well. I'm done with this.
If you believe there was already a red ring on the TSBD for fire safety purposes,
Why would you assume that I believe there was a red ring for fire safety..... If you'll extract your head youl may be alert enough to notice that the TSBD was equipped with a fire escape.
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Back to the time Altgens 6
Mr. LIEBELER - The important thing is--it's not all that important as to how far you were away from the car at the time you took the picture--the thing that I want to establish is that you are absolutely sure that you took Exhibit No. 203 at about the time the first shot was fired and that you are quite sure also in your own mind, that there were no shots fired after you saw the President hit in the head.
Mr. ALTGENS - That is correct; in both cases.
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If you believe there was already a red ring on the TSBD for fire safety purposes,
Why would you assume that I believe there was a red ring for fire safety..... If you'll extract your head youl may be alert enough to notice that the TSBD was equipped with a fire escape.
Check with the guy who posted this under your name: "I've always acknowledged that there was a SINGLE red ring placed in a window to serve as a notice to firemen so they would know where to place their ladder."
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Altgens 6 crop colorized
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/Image86.jpg)
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Did anyone see anyone waltz into the TSBD with a dripping tin of red paint (in an over-sized bag, just for laughs) leading up to the assassination to paint those joyous red rings on the windows then?
"Move those books over, pal - I've got to paint a big old 'notification circle' on that window there..."
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Did anyone see anyone waltz into the TSBD with a dripping tin of red paint (in an over-sized bag, just for laughs) leading up to the assassination to paint those joyous red rings on the windows then?
"Move those books over, pal - I've got to paint a big old 'notification circle' on that window there..."
:D
There were seven red rings in the south facing windows of the TSBD at the time of the coup d e'tat....There's no doubt about the existence of those red rings, because they are visible in many photos of the building that were taken that afternoon.
The investigators most certainly saw those red rings and had to have wondered about the significance of the rings, but they were never mentioned and have been swept under the rug.
When they have been asked about, the authorities have given lame answers like ...they were signals for the the
Fire Department.
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Altgens 6 crop colorized
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/Image86.jpg)
That image looks to be outside the car It has been color enhanced from other photographs How far are we saying the image is from Lady Bird?
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Weird that image, which still looks to be outside the car, does nor appear in other versions of Altgens 6
That looks like a shoulder patch on the motorcycle cop's uniform......
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I believe Robin Unger has located the image of the visible portion of the left side and left ear of then USVP LyndonJohnson, just after the vehicle he was in had turned onto westbound Elm St.
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That image looks to be outside the car It has been color enhanced from other photographs How far are we saying the image is from Lady Bird?
I recently read an article ( post) in which the author said that he had been carefully researching this aspect of the case. I don't recall the man's name, but he seems very sure that LBJ ducked down in the Lincoln ......
I'd like to know if the man has expanded his research and the results.... Does anybody know who the man is?
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That looks like a shoulder patch on the motorcycle cop's uniform......
Another fuzzy wuzzy prayer man type picture. Also LBJ was reportedly heard to have [later] said a very strange thing---"Why did THEY have to pick Dallas?" That puts a dent into a lot of theories right there.
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The Assassination of JFK: Who was the “Mastermind” — Johnson or Dulles?
By Phillip F. Nelson
LBJ: Master of Deceit September 26, 2019
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/09/phillip-f-nelson/the-assassination-of-jfk-who-was-the-mastermind-johnson-or-dulles/
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Probably my favorite thread based on provoked imagery alone. Shrub also showed some excellent head ducking skills when confronted with force filled shoes. Perhaps this is a wanted quality for a potential POTUS
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Come on, Matt. LBJ was not ducking thirty seconds earlier. Do you seriously believe that he would be cowering down just moments after his vehicle had just made the turn from Main onto Houston?
Hey, just a second now, Bill. If LBJ WAS ducking just as his car turns as in the photo i posted,and then 30 seconds later, when lots of OTHER people ARE ducking and diving to the ground, and LBJ is NOT... doesnt that seem a little odd to you?
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Yes
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Hey, just a second now, Bill. If LBJ WAS ducking just as his car turns as in the photo i posted,and then 30 seconds later, when lots of OTHER people ARE ducking and diving to the ground, and LBJ is NOT... doesnt that seem a little odd to you?
I would point out that LBJ should NOT be visible at the time spectators were ducking for cover, because it is on the record that the Secret Service Agent who was riding in the front passenger seat turned around immediately and covered LBJ who was ducking down ....
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There were seven red rings in the south facing windows of the TSBD at the time of the coup d e'tat....There's no doubt about the existence of those red rings, because they are visible in many photos of the building that were taken that afternoon.
The investigators most certainly saw those red rings and had to have wondered about the significance of the rings, but they were never mentioned and have been swept under the rug.
When they have been asked about, the authorities have given lame answers like ...they were signals for the the
Fire Department.
And they were so well prepared they actually planted this explanation in the newspaper decades before the assassination. You can't really believe that kind of nonsense?
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And they were so well prepared they actually planted this explanation in the newspaper decades before the assassination. You can't really believe that kind of nonsense?
Have you noticed?... The red rings on the windows of the TSBD really bother Mr "Smith".... WHY ?? I wonder why Mr "Smith" so obsessed with denying the red rings that are clearly visible in photos taken that day...
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Psssst.....The message was twofold.... One symbol two different meanings...
Red rings for JFK.... Hey, JFK you fink.... remember the umbrella of air cover you promised you would provide at red beach. (BOP) We had our position marked with the RED RINGS so the friendlies (USN) could ID our position, But YOU failed to send us the air umbrella......
Red Rings for LBJ... Everything set for the hit.... Just give us the thumbs up.....
the box on the window ledge of 6th story TSBD SE window, could be some kind of signal too, that the sniper is in place, which LBJ would not have seen until his car turns on Houston, thus maybe LBJ seeing the box mistakingly presumed the shots were about to commence on Houston st instead of Elm st.
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Have you noticed?... The red rings on the windows of the TSBD really bother Mr "Smith".... WHY ?? I wonder why Mr "Smith" so obsessed with denying the red rings that are clearly visible in photos taken that day...
Dallas County Fire Dept put red rings on Dallas county windows of tall buildings decades earlier
See if you can figure out why
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Dallas County Fire Dept put those red rings on the windows decades earlier
See if you can figure out why
Many City fire departments requested that the building manager place A SINGLE RED RING in a window of a building that did not have fire escapes, so the firemen would know where to place ladders to allow occupants to escape in the event of a fire.
More than a single red ring would have caused confusion for the firemen.....And perhaps your cranial rectalitus has prevented you from seeing the fire escape on the east side of the TSBD that goes clear to the roof....
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Many City fire departments requested that the building manager place A SINGLE RED RING in a window of a building that did not have fire escapes, so the firemen would know where to place ladders to allow occupants to escape in the event of a fire.
More than a single red ring would have caused confusion for the firemen.....And perhaps your cranial rectalitus has prevented you from seeing the fire escape on the east side of the TSBD that goes clear to the roof....
Tell us when the fire escape was installed and who authorized the red circles
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Tell us when the fire escape was installed and who authorized the red circles
The fire escape was there on 11 / 22 /63 .....No need for a SINGLE red ring at a designated escape window......
You'll have to do your own research.... If you've the guts
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Have you noticed?... The red rings on the windows of the TSBD really bother Mr "Smith".... WHY ?? I wonder why Mr "Smith" so obsessed with denying the red rings that are clearly visible in photos taken that day...
You are the one who believes they have significance in the context of the JFK assassination. Not me or any other person that I have ever seen post here. I just point out the lunacy of your claim. And that newspaper articles from decades prior to the assassination note their purpose. No one disputes there are red circles on some of the windows. It is your bizarre, and kooky interpretation that they were a signal to LBJ that is subject of dispute.
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I would point out that LBJ should NOT be visible at the time spectators were ducking for cover, because it is on the record that the Secret Service Agent who was riding in the front passenger seat turned around immediately and covered LBJ who was ducking down ....
That 'record' was a statement made by LBJ himself. Sen Ralph Yarborough refuted that claim. I'll amend that the Texas senator also riding in the car said that Johnson ducked and pulled the SS on top of him.
Rufus Youngblood was dismissed from his position. How come?
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You are the one who believes they have significance in the context of the JFK assassination. Not me or any other person that I have ever seen post here. I just point out the lunacy of your claim. And that newspaper articles from decades prior to the assassination note their purpose. No one disputes there are red circles on some of the windows. It is your bizarre, and kooky interpretation that they were a signal to LBJ that is subject of dispute.
Mr "Smith" ....I usually ignore your nonsensical posts.... But It's obvious that you are bent on discrediting the red rings.... WHY?? If you simply thought they were nonsense you'd ignore them. Clearly you're trying desperately to deny and discredit....
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Dallas County Fire Dept put red rings on Dallas county windows of tall buildings decades earlier
Built in 1912 the Dallas Adolphus Hotel does not nor has it ever had red circles painted on the windows. Now-- instead of posting more pictures of yourself---perhaps there might be a return to LBJ and his plunge to the floorboard...also, if he didn't pull Youngblood over him, well--- he always had Ladybird :-\
(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/03/28/08/07/adolphus-hotel.jpg)
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Although "official" history tells us Youngblood received a medal for his fast actions in Dallas covering LBJ (who wasn't even a target) after the first shot sounded, Senator Ralph Yarborough, who sat in the very same car with Youngblood and LBJ, said that this never happened - not only did Youngblood never even leave the front seat, the agent and LBJ were listening to a walkie-talkie with the volume set too low for the Senator to hear what they were picking up ("The Death of a President", p. 166 - surprisingly, Dave Powers, who rode in the follow-up car in place of Cecil Stoughton, agreed with Yarborough on this)
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You are the one who believes they have significance in the context of the JFK assassination. Not me or any other person that I have ever seen post here. I just point out the lunacy of your claim. And that newspaper articles from decades prior to the assassination note their purpose. No one disputes there are red circles on some of the windows. It is your bizarre, and kooky interpretation that they were a signal to LBJ that is subject of dispute.
You are the one who believes they have significance in the context of the JFK assassination.
Nobody has ever addressed the purpose or significance of those red rings. They certainly were very obvious, and yet the investigators ignored them and they were swept under the rug.
I just point out the lunacy of your claim.
Yes, that is what you'd like to do....It's the basic tactic that LNer's have used since day one.... Ridicule any idea that conflicts with the official fairy tale.
And that newspaper articles from decades prior to the assassination note their purpose.
Yes indeed ...Newspaper articles from decades past...ancient ideas that are no longer applicable .
No one disputes there are red circles on some of the windows. It is your bizarre, and kooky interpretation that they were a signal to LBJ that is subject of dispute.
Thank you....You've answered the question: WHY is Mr "Smith" so obsessed with the red rings that he frequently reopens the subject?
The answer is obvious....in his statements in this post.
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That 'record' was a statement made by LBJ himself. Sen Ralph Yarborough refuted that claim. I'll amend that the Texas senator also riding in the car said that Johnson ducked and pulled the SS on top of him.
Rufus Youngblood was dismissed from his position. How come?
Jerry, I could be wrong, but it seems to me that you posted a link to an article that was written by a researcher who has done computer analysis on the photo that shows LBJ missing from his place beside Lady Bird in the rear seat of the Lincoln convertible. Are you the person who posted that link?.... I'd like to see the article again.
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Built in 1912 the Dallas Adolphus Hotel does not nor has it ever had red circles painted on the windows. Now-- instead of posting more pictures of yourself---perhaps there might be a return to LBJ and his plunge to the floorboard...also, if he didn't pull Youngblood over him, well--- he always had Ladybird :-\
(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/03/28/08/07/adolphus-hotel.jpg)
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Prior to, and during WWII, Some cities had an ordinance that required buildings of more than four stories that were not equipped with an exterior fire escape to have a clearly marked escape rout in the event of a fire. An easily accessible window ( usually in a hallway) was to be identified as an escape window by painting a large red ring on the upper pane. The red ring had to be clearly visible from inside and outside of the building. There was only ONE red ring per floor.
Some LNer's are desperately afraid to have anybody call attention to the seven red rings that were on the windows of the 5th, 6th, & 7th floors of the TSBD at the time of the coup d e'tat. Obviously those red rings had nothing to do with some ancient ordinance ( if Dallas ever had such an ordinance??) .... They definitely were there for a reason. And they were removed shortly after the ambush murder of President Kennedy.
Mr "Smith" is particularly worried that attention has been called to the red signal rings... and I enjoy his inane efforts to discredit FACT.
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I did some genealogical research and found that the red ring was actually one of your close relatives mooning Kennedy
Thanks so much for your always-useful input.
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They definitely were there for a reason. And they were removed shortly after the ambush murder of President Kennedy.
Evidence, please.
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Evidence, please.
Is something wrong with your eyes? Look for yourself... It's not difficult to find photos of the TSBD that were taken from 11 / 22/ 63 thru 11 /25 /63 shooting
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why would they need red rings, when a simple box in the window ledge would do?
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why would they need red rings, when a simple box in the window ledge would do?
Would a box deliver the message?? for JFK.... Hey, JFK you fink.... remember the umbrella of air cover you promised you would provide at red beach. (BOP) We had our position marked with the RED RINGS so the friendlies (USN) could ID our position, But YOU failed to send us the air umbrella......
Red Rings for LBJ... Everything set for the hit.... Just give us the thumbs up.....
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Would a box deliver the message?? for JFK.... Hey, JFK you fink.... remember the umbrella of air cover you promised you would provide at red beach. (BOP) We had our position marked with the RED RINGS so the friendlies (USN) could ID our position, But YOU failed to send us the air umbrella......
Red Rings for LBJ... Everything set for the hit.... Just give us the thumbs up.....
So what you are suggesting is that these were symbols MOCKING JFK which now that I think about it, makes sense, because thats also why they decided to kill JFK in a spectacular multiple shot kill in front of a large crowd of admiring AMERICANS, and at the END of the parade, just as it appeared that JFK was triumphantly demonstrating he would NOT be thwarted by all the rumors circulating in Dallas of an impending assassination attempt.
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Is something wrong with your eyes? Look for yourself... It's not difficult to find photos of the TSBD that were taken from 11 / 22/ 63 thru 11 /25 /63 shooting
You mean like this one from the FBI reenactment on 5/24/1964?
(http://iacoletti.org/jfk/red-rings-fbi-reenactment-5-24-64.png)
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So what you are suggesting is that these were symbols MOCKING JFK which now that I think about it, makes sense, because thats also why they decided to kill JFK in a spectacular multiple shot kill in front of a large crowd of admiring AMERICANS, and at the END of the parade, just as it appeared that JFK was triumphantly demonstrating he would NOT be thwarted by all the rumors circulating in Dallas of an impending assassination attempt.
So what you are suggesting is that these were symbols MOCKING JFK which now that I think about it, makes sense,
Thank you, Zeon That's one of the nicest things anybody has ever posted in this group. I never thought of it as mockery....I just think the CIA renegades whose careers were ruined wanted JFK to know that they were exacting revenge for what they perceived as his perfidy at BOP. This little touch ( the red rings) smacks of E. Howard Hunt.... In reality those CIA people had nobody to blame but themselves, because JFK had stated clearly that there would be NO US military involved in the invasion.
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You mean like this one from the FBI reenactment on 5/24/1964?
(http://iacoletti.org/jfk/red-rings-fbi-reenactment-5-24-64.png)
You mean like this one from the FBI reenactment on 5/24/1964?
Are you a bit thick?.... I said; look at photos of the TSBD taken between 11/ 22 /63 and 11 /25/ 63.
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You mean like this one from the FBI reenactment on 5/24/1964?
Are you a bit thick?.... I said; look at photos of the TSBD taken between 11/ 22 /63 and 11 /25/ 63.
Wait, didn't you say the rings "were removed shortly after the ambush murder of President Kennedy"?
And yet they are still there 6 months later...
Or is your story that they removed them between 11/22 and 11/25 and then put them back up?
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Wait, didn't you say the rings "were removed shortly after the ambush murder of President Kennedy"?
And yet they are still there 6 months later...
Or is your story that they removed them between 11/22 and 11/25 and then put them back up?
is your story that they removed them between 11/22 and 11/25 and then put them back up?
Yes, that's how it appears, because there is only one ring visible in the 5 / 24 /64 photo.....
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is your story that they removed them between 11/22 and 11/25 and then put them back up?
Yes, that's how it appears, because there is only one ring visible in the 5 / 24 /64 photo.....
LOL.
Who were they trying to "signal" between 11/25 and 5/24?
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LOL.
Who were they trying to "signal" between 11/25 and 5/24?
I suppose they put up that ring to make it look like any photo taken could mistaken for a photo from 11 /22...who knows???
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I suppose they put up that ring to make it look like any photo taken could mistaken for a photo from 11 /22...who knows???
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LOL.
Who were they trying to "signal" between 11/25 and 5/24?
Maybe the owner of the TSBD, Harold Byrd wanted to keep admiring the mocking of JFK with red rings, just like Harold Byrd celebrated JFK death by hanging a window frame from TSBD in his big animal hunted down trophy room?
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Maybe the owner of the TSBD, Harold Byrd wanted to keep admiring the mocking of JFK with red rings, just like Harold Byrd celebrated JFK death by hanging a window frame from TSBD in his big animal hunted down trophy room?
Byrd wanted the window that the rifle was allegedly fired from...... He ordered the WEST window replaced and he wanted the removed window for his den.
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Altgens 6 crop colorized...
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/Image86.jpg)
Weird camera angles. The B&W photo looks like everybody is scrunched together but the color one looks like it might be Johnson practically falling out of the car while everybody is comfortably spread out. The driver looks like a mannequin.
Johnson did not want to even ride in the same car as Sen Yarborough. What a time to pick to try and bail :D
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I find it difficult to believe that people can't (or won't) see LBJ's head over Bobby Hargis' shoulder! It's right there in plain sight!
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My instinct would be to cover my wife.
And where exactly would Johnson hide if he was 'bailing'
These guys... ::)
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I find it difficult to believe that people can't (or won't) see LBJ's head over Bobby Hargis' shoulder! It's right there in plain sight!
Who could miss that ear?
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Exactly! :)
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Altgens 6 crop colorized
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/Image86.jpg)
I find it difficult to believe that people can't (or won't) see LBJ's head over Bobby Hargis' shoulder! It's right there in plain sight!
That’s not Lyndon Johnson. That’s the Auto Vice President who takes over during emergencies.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/51861833179004961/ (https://www.pinterest.com/pin/51861833179004961/)
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(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/Image86.jpg)
Johnson was so vulnerable. If there was an organized conspiracy, they could have taken out both JFK and Connally.