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Title: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Matt Grantham on May 15, 2018, 10:52:56 PM
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Mike Orr on May 15, 2018, 11:49:08 PM
   It looks like LBJ was not in the picture as the assassination was about to happen .

       
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Matt Grantham on May 15, 2018, 11:51:00 PM
Thanks for placing the time
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Zeon Mason on May 16, 2018, 02:13:59 AM
"The Senator who Suspected a JFK Conspiracy
Yarborough's Suspicion of Lyndon Johnson
"...There is the well-publicized story of Agent Rufus Youngblood, who reportedly threw himself on top of Vice President Johnson after the shooting began in Dealey Plaza.... Johnson, in a statement to the Warren Commission, mentioned the incident:
I was startled by a sharp report or explosion, but I had no time to speculate as to its origin because Agent Youngblood turned in a flash, immediately after the first explosion, hitting me on the shoulder, and shouted to all of us in the back seat to get down. I was pushed down by Agent Youngblood. Almost in the same moment in which he hit or pushed me, he vaulted over the back seat and sat on me. I was bent over under the weight of Agent Youngblood's body, toward Mrs. Johnson and Senator Yarborough....
However, former Texas senator Ralph Yarborough, who was sitting beside Johnson that day, told this author:
'It just didn't happen.... It was a small car, Johnson was a big man, tall. His knees were up against his chin as it was. There was no room for that to happen.' Yarborough recalled that both Johnson and Youngblood ducked down as the shooting began and that Youngblood never left the front seat. Yarborough said Youngblood held a small walkie-talkie over the back of the car's seat and that he and Johnson both put their ears to the device. He added: 'They had it turned down real low. I couldn't hear what they were listening to.'"

http://jfktruth.org/LBJ/DuckedBeforeFirstShotAtJFK/index.htm


LBJ can be seen in an unusually low position in his seat, relative to his height,  as his car is heading TOWARDS TSBD as in seen in the Hughes film.

Perhaps the real reason for box placed on window ledge in obvious plain sight, is that it was a signal  to LBJ in the motorcade, that the operation was about to commence. LBJ might have actually thought the shots would be starting on Houston st, after seeing box on the window ledge.
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Bill Brown on May 16, 2018, 08:44:12 AM
Why post a photo (Altgens 6) taken AFTER shots (plural) have been fired when you're asking what anyone was doing BEFORE any shots were fired?
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Matt Grantham on May 16, 2018, 01:50:25 PM
Why post a photo (Altgens 6) taken AFTER shots (plural) have been fired when you're asking what anyone was doing BEFORE any shots were fired?

 Maybe we are talking one or two seconds Apparently the old codger had the reactions of a ninja Also it is not what he said happened since, according to LBJ.  he was supposedly pushed down by "Youngblood at the time of the first shot While admittedly vague at times, there are 4 films other other than the Altgens 6 photograph, that show the other 4 passengers nut not LBJ. BJ Martin testified that many of his fellow officers said LBJ was ducking down about 30 seconds before the shots Your best bet is to go with 'playing with his walkie talkie theory
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Walt Cakebread on May 16, 2018, 02:12:17 PM
Why post a photo (Altgens 6) taken AFTER shots (plural) have been fired when you're asking what anyone was doing BEFORE any shots were fired?

Even if   IF?  the photo was taken AFTER the shots were fired ( it wasn't) Are you telling me that Lyin Bastroid Johnson had the world's fastest reflexes and he reacted faster than Superman?    Nobody else in the photo has reacted to the shots  ( because they have not yet been fired) 

And why does the driver who is closer to the camera appear to be further away???
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Tim Nickerson on May 16, 2018, 06:23:05 PM
Maybe we are talking one or two seconds

Uhh...No. More like five and a half seconds or longer.
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: John Iacoletti on May 16, 2018, 09:11:15 PM
Uhh...No. More like five and a half seconds or longer.

Like you or anybody else knows exactly when the shooting started.

But no, LBJ is not ducking in Altgens 6.
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Zeon Mason on May 17, 2018, 03:42:26 AM
(http://jfktruth.org/LBJ/DuckedBeforeFirstShotAtJFK/LBJSlidesFurtherDownRed.jpg)


Looks like ducking to me  :)
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Matt Grantham on May 17, 2018, 06:13:19 AM
Uhh...No. More like five and a half seconds or longer.

 What is the evidence for that? Again there is other photograph evidence Several officers said they saw him down 30 second earlier

 Probably my favorite thread in terms of comedic proportions None of it is funny but I do love the fact LBJ even has the face such a predicament in his historical legacy
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Walt Cakebread on May 17, 2018, 12:54:10 PM
Like you or anybody else knows exactly when the shooting started.

But no, LBJ is not ducking in Altgens 6.

Do you actually see LBJ in the photo??    I can't see him.
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Richard Smith on May 17, 2018, 01:46:42 PM
Even if   IF?  the photo was taken AFTER the shots were fired ( it wasn't) Are you telling me that Lyin Bastroid Johnson had the world's fastest reflexes and he reacted faster than Superman?    Nobody else in the photo has reacted to the shots  ( because they have not yet been fired) 

And why does the driver who is closer to the camera appear to be further away???

I thought you believed he was looking up for those red circles painted on the TSBD windows?  LOL.  One of the looniest theories around.  I really hope you don't believe that kind of nonsense.
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Matt Grantham on May 17, 2018, 03:56:22 PM
Like you or anybody else knows exactly when the shooting started.

But no, LBJ is not ducking in Altgens 6.


If it looks like a duck

if it quacks like a duck

if it ducks like a duck?

It must be a duck

Yes he has finished ducking at that point if that is what you mean

 Altgens 6 is Z frame 167?
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Steve Logan on May 17, 2018, 04:00:22 PM
The real question is just how many of these kookass threads are you going to continue to post?
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Matt Grantham on May 17, 2018, 04:12:00 PM
The real question is just how many of these kookass threads are you going to continue to post?

The fodder seems relatively endless

 I believe kook-ass is hyphenated I don't like going to grammar rules, but you inspire me
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Walt Cakebread on May 17, 2018, 04:17:55 PM
I thought you believed he was looking up for those red circles painted on the TSBD windows?  LOL.  One of the looniest theories around.  I really hope you don't believe that kind of nonsense.

Perhaps you can tell me the purpose of all those red circles on the TSBD windows....    So far there have been a couple of looney, irrational attempts to explain the red rings.    Incidentally the rings were not PAINTED on the windows....
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Richard Smith on May 17, 2018, 04:37:18 PM
Perhaps you can tell me the purpose of all those red circles on the TSBD windows....    So far there have been a couple of looney, irrational attempts to explain the red rings.    Incidentally the rings were not PAINTED on the windows....

Gary Mack explained it to you.  I've explained it to you.  Newspaper articles were posted explaining it to you.  A loon can't be unconvinced of their nutty pet theory.  Just to recap, Walt apparently believes these red circles were some type of signal to LBJ that the assassination was going to happen or some James Bond-type nonsense.  Imagine the narrative behind that fringe theory? 
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Matt Grantham on May 17, 2018, 04:42:35 PM
Gary Mack explained it to you.  I've explained it to you.  Newspaper articles were posted explaining it to you.  A loon can't be unconvinced of their nutty pet theory.  Just to recap, Walt apparently believes these red circles were some type of signal to LBJ that the assassination was going to happen or some James Bond-type nonsense.  Imagine the narrative behind that fringe theory?

 Have you ever looked at Project Northwoods? That plan seemed Hollywood inspired
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Walt Cakebread on May 17, 2018, 05:28:33 PM
Gary Mack explained it to you.  I've explained it to you.  Newspaper articles were posted explaining it to you.  A loon can't be unconvinced of their nutty pet theory.  Just to recap, Walt apparently believes these red circles were some type of signal to LBJ that the assassination was going to happen or some James Bond-type nonsense.  Imagine the narrative behind that fringe theory?

Yes, you're right, there have been attempts to get me to take a bite of a dog turd by claiming it's a candy bar......Now simply because you've fallen for the ridiculous idea that the red rings were a signal for the fire department don't assume that everybody is a gullible as yourself.

Ask yourself .... How the hell would any fireman know where to place his ladder with seven windows with red rings on them?
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Bill Brown on May 17, 2018, 05:48:41 PM
Even if   IF?  the photo was taken AFTER the shots were fired ( it wasn't) Are you telling me that Lyin Bastroid Johnson had the world's fastest reflexes and he reacted faster than Superman?    Nobody else in the photo has reacted to the shots  ( because they have not yet been fired) 

And why does the driver who is closer to the camera appear to be further away???


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Even if   IF?  the photo was taken AFTER the shots were fired ( it wasn't)...

No one said the photo was taken after THE shots were fired.  I said the photo was taken after shots were fired.  Understand the difference?


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Are you telling me that Lyin Bastroid Johnson had the world's fastest reflexes and he reacted faster than Superman?

No.  I'm not telling you that.  LBJ is not reacting at all yet.


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Nobody else in the photo has reacted to the shots...

Correct, LBJ included.


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( because they have not yet been fired)

They haven't?  Then what is President Kennedy doing with his hands up toward his neck?

Learn the evidence.
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Bill Brown on May 17, 2018, 05:53:30 PM
What is the evidence for that? Again there is other photograph evidence Several officers said they saw him down 30 second earlier

 Probably my favorite thread in terms of comedic proportions None of it is funny but I do love the fact LBJ even has the face such a predicament in his historical legacy

Come on, Matt.  LBJ was not ducking thirty seconds earlier.  Do you seriously believe that he would be cowering down just moments after his vehicle had just made the turn from Main onto Houston?
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Bill Brown on May 17, 2018, 05:54:50 PM
Maybe we are talking one or two seconds

Uhh...No. More like five and a half seconds or longer.

That's right, Tim.
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Bill Brown on May 17, 2018, 05:56:21 PM
If it looks like a duck

if it quacks like a duck

if it ducks like a duck?

It must be a duck

Yes he has finished ducking at that point if that is what you mean

 Altgens 6 is Z frame 167?

Altgens 6 is generally accepted as frame 255.
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Richard Smith on May 17, 2018, 07:02:16 PM
Yes, you're right, there have been attempts to get me to take a bite of a dog turd by claiming it's a candy bar......Now simply because you've fallen for the ridiculous idea that the red rings were a signal for the fire department don't assume that everybody is a gullible as yourself.

Ask yourself .... How the hell would any fireman know where to place his ladder with seven windows with red rings on them?

So you think the explanation provided in the Dallas newspapers years before this event was planted in anticipation of the assassination and that is more ridiculous that these red circles were a fire safety measure than a prearranged signal to LBJ that the assassination of the president was going down?  Got it.  Someone get a butterfly net while Walt is distracted.
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Howard Gee on May 17, 2018, 07:29:21 PM
Yes, you're right, there have been attempts to get me to take a bite of a dog turd by claiming it's a candy bar.....

More details, please.
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: John Iacoletti on May 17, 2018, 08:08:16 PM
Ask yourself .... How the hell would any fireman know where to place his ladder with seven windows with red rings on them?

Any of them?

Ask yourself why one "signal ring" wouldn't be enough for LBJ.....
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Walt Cakebread on May 17, 2018, 09:04:24 PM
Any of them?

Ask yourself why one "signal ring" wouldn't be enough for LBJ.....

Psssst.....The message was twofold....   One symbol two different meanings...

Red rings for JFK....   Hey, JFK you fink.... remember the umbrella of air cover you promised you would provide at red beach. (BOP)    We had our position marked with the RED RINGS so the friendlies (USN) could ID our  position, But YOU failed to send us the air umbrella......

Red Rings for LBJ...   Everything set for the hit.... Just give us the thumbs up.....

 
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: John Iacoletti on May 17, 2018, 09:08:09 PM
Don't forget the white Stetson hat signal too! 

(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/roflmao.gif)
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Walt Cakebread on May 17, 2018, 10:50:39 PM
Don't forget the white Stetson hat signal too! 

(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/roflmao.gif)

The white Stetson signal.....???
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Matt Grantham on May 17, 2018, 11:28:11 PM


Correct, LBJ included.


Here is a link with many pictures of LBJ, or the lake thereof during the time in question

http://www.jfktruth.org/LBJ/DuckedBeforeFirstShotAtJFK/index.htm

Another link which claims Altgens 6 occurs at Z-frame 167

http://jfkfilmanalysis.blogspot.com/

Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Walt Cakebread on May 18, 2018, 03:02:01 AM
So you think the explanation provided in the Dallas newspapers years before this event was planted in anticipation of the assassination and that is more ridiculous that these red circles were a fire safety measure than a prearranged signal to LBJ that the assassination of the president was going down?  Got it.  Someone get a butterfly net while Walt is distracted.

My Dear ignoramus....During WWII  after the attack on Pearl Harbor the citizens were jumpy and worried about Japanese incendiary bombs being dropped on US cities.....Many high rise buildings had inadequate fire escapes so certain windows were designated as escape routes. Those windows were usually at the end of hallways and the windows had a large red ring place on the window pane so the fire department would know where to place their ladder in the event of a fire.

The red rings on the south face of the TSBD were only on the fifth sixth and seventh floors and they weren't in any logical unobstructed escape route.   As a matter of fact there is one of the rings seen from inside of the building and there are  boxes of books stacked hi front of the window.
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Bill Brown on May 18, 2018, 07:41:10 AM
Here is a link with many pictures of LBJ, or the lake thereof during the time in question

http://www.jfktruth.org/LBJ/DuckedBeforeFirstShotAtJFK/index.htm

Another link which claims Altgens 6 occurs at Z-frame 167

http://jfkfilmanalysis.blogspot.com/

LBJ was not ducking.

Altgens 6 occurs at Z-255.
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Richard Smith on May 18, 2018, 02:27:02 PM
My Dear ignoramus....During WWII  after the attack on Pearl Harbor the citizens were jumpy and worried about Japanese incendiary bombs being dropped on US cities.....Many high rise buildings had inadequate fire escapes so certain windows were designated as escape routes. Those windows were usually at the end of hallways and the windows had a large red ring place on the window pane so the fire department would know where to place their ladder in the event of a fire.

The red rings on the south face of the TSBD were only on the fifth sixth and seventh floors and they weren't in any logical unobstructed escape route.   As a matter of fact there is one of the rings seen from inside of the building and there are  boxes of books stacked hi front of the window.

Making progress.  So now you acknowledge that red rings were used on the windows of buildings for fire safety purposes.  Just as Gary Mack and the Dallas papers have explained. 
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Walt Cakebread on May 18, 2018, 02:37:33 PM
Gary Mack explained it to you.  I've explained it to you.  Newspaper articles were posted explaining it to you.  A loon can't be unconvinced of their nutty pet theory.  Just to recap, Walt apparently believes these red circles were some type of signal to LBJ that the assassination was going to happen or some James Bond-type nonsense.  Imagine the narrative behind that fringe theory?

Walt apparently believes these red circles were some type of signal to LBJ that the assassination was going to happen

They were notification for LBJ...The red rings notified LBJ that everything was in place for the coup d e'tat....the evidence had been planted ...the patsy was cooperating and setting himself up.    The hit squad was waiting.....All that was needed was the signal from LBJ.

Ask yourself which is the least rational....The above.....OR.... The Magic Bullet THEORY  ???

Richie believes in magic bullets.....
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Richard Smith on May 18, 2018, 03:23:13 PM
Walt apparently believes these red circles were some type of signal to LBJ that the assassination was going to happen

They were notification for LBJ...The red rings notified LBJ that everything was in place for the coup d e'tat....the evidence had been planted ...the patsy was cooperating and setting himself up.    The hit squad was waiting.....All that was needed was the signal from LBJ.

Ask yourself which is the least rational....The above.....OR.... The Magic Bullet THEORY  ???

Richie believes in magic bullets.....

So someone couldn't have just told him that?  Instead someone had to paint magic red circles on the very building from which the shots were supposed to be fired instead of any other building in Dallas?  Not suspicious or risky at all.  LOL.  And then travel back in their time machine and write a newspaper article explaining that the red circles are used for fire safety purposes.  Honestly, surely you can't really believe this nonsense.  I think many CTers take this up as a hobby and try to come up with any narrative to absolve Oswald.  They don't even have to believe it themselves.  It just needs to be a scenario they can dream up.
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Matt Grantham on May 18, 2018, 03:48:36 PM
LBJ was not ducking.

Altgens 6 occurs at Z-255.

LBJ was ducking

Altgens occurs at Z film 167

 Such stimulating discourse!

Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Walt Cakebread on May 18, 2018, 03:56:46 PM
Making progress.  So now you acknowledge that red rings were used on the windows of buildings for fire safety purposes.  Just as Gary Mack and the Dallas papers have explained.

I've always acknowledged that there was a SINGLE red ring placed in a window to serve as a notice to firemen so they would know where to place their ladder. 

Only a complete idiot would believe that multiple windows would have red rings placed on them as a signal to firemen.

However you do deserve praise for being smart enough and honest enough, to acknowledge that the red rings were a SIGNAL ...

Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: John Iacoletti on May 18, 2018, 05:53:39 PM
Walt apparently believes these red circles were some type of signal to LBJ that the assassination was going to happen

They were notification for LBJ...The red rings notified LBJ that everything was in place for the coup d e'tat....the evidence had been planted ...the patsy was cooperating and setting himself up.    The hit squad was waiting.....All that was needed was the signal from LBJ.

Ask yourself which is the least rational....The above.....OR.... The Magic Bullet THEORY  ???

Richie believes in magic bullets.....

There's nothing rational about Walt's fabrications -- they are just completely made up stories.

Walt's Fabrications (https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,99.0.html)
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Walt Cakebread on May 18, 2018, 06:06:43 PM
So someone couldn't have just told him that?  Instead someone had to paint magic red circles on the very building from which the shots were supposed to be fired instead of any other building in Dallas?  Not suspicious or risky at all.  LOL.  And then travel back in their time machine and write a newspaper article explaining that the red circles are used for fire safety purposes.  Honestly, surely you can't really believe this nonsense.  I think many CTers take this up as a hobby and try to come up with any narrative to absolve Oswald.  They don't even have to believe it themselves.  It just needs to be a scenario they can dream up.

Duh....You really are obtuse aren't you Richie.....Do you really think that someone on the assassination team would have called out...."OK Lyndon....everything is go....  Can I give the killers the OK?"
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Richard Smith on May 18, 2018, 06:11:13 PM
I've always acknowledged that there was a SINGLE red ring placed in a window to serve as a notice to firemen so they would know where to place their ladder. 

Only a complete idiot would believe that multiple windows would have red rings placed on them as a signal to firemen.

However you do deserve praise for being smart enough and honest enough, to acknowledge that the red rings were a SIGNAL ...

You don't think there would be more than one floor/window in the building that the fireman might need to access?  Particularly since they would not know in advance which floor the fire was on etc. 
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Richard Smith on May 18, 2018, 06:16:10 PM
Duh....You really are obtuse aren't you Richie.....Do you really think that someone on the assassination team would have called out...."OK Lyndon....everything is go....  Can I give the killers the OK?"

But you believe they could paint red circles on the building from which the shots were fired and presumably communicate the significance of those circles to LBJ (i.e. exactly what you indicate couldn't be done here) or they would have been meaningless to him.  You find that more plausible than someone just saying to him "it's a go" that morning.  LOL.  Keep spinning the yarn.  It gets better and better.
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Walt Cakebread on May 18, 2018, 06:34:49 PM
You don't think there would be more than one floor/window in the building that the fireman might need to access?  Particularly since they would not know in advance which floor the fire was on etc.

Picture his.....The Firemen arrive with their ladder truck....Smoke is billowing out of the upper floor windows of the TSBD.....but there are seven red rings on the windows .....   Where do they place their ladder??    If they placed a ladder at the east end of the sixth floor where there was a red ring......Nobody inside would have access to that window, because it was blocked by boxes of books.
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Richard Smith on May 18, 2018, 06:42:25 PM
Picture his.....The Firemen arrive with their ladder truck....Smoke is billowing out of the upper floor windows of the TSBD.....but there are seven red rings on the windows .....   Where do they place their ladder??    If they placed a ladder at the east end of the sixth floor where there was a red ring......Nobody inside would have access to that window, because it was blocked by boxes of books.

Picture this. The fireman arrive with their ladder truck.  There is only one red ring for the building and that window is inaccessible because of the fire.  Now what?  Time to roast some weenies?   
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Richard Smith on May 18, 2018, 06:49:00 PM
I've always acknowledged that there was a SINGLE red ring placed in a window to serve as a notice to firemen so they would know where to place their ladder. 

Only a complete idiot would believe that multiple windows would have red rings placed on them as a signal to firemen.

However you do deserve praise for being smart enough and honest enough, to acknowledge that the red rings were a SIGNAL ...

If you believe there was already a red ring on the TSBD for fire safety purposes, how exactly was LBJ supposed to know whether the red ring he saw was the "signal" or the pre-existing fire safety circle?  It seems like a pretty confusing and unnecessary signal just moments before the shots are fired.  And you also think these red circles were for JFK as well - the target?  Maybe give him a sporting chance to duck as well.  I'm done with this.
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: John Iacoletti on May 18, 2018, 06:49:13 PM
Duh....You really are obtuse aren't you Richie.....Do you really think that someone on the assassination team would have called out...."OK Lyndon....everything is go....  Can I give the killers the OK?"

Is that supposed to prove that the red rings were signals to LBJ?
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Walt Cakebread on May 18, 2018, 07:42:59 PM
But you believe they could paint red circles on the building from which the shots were fired and presumably communicate the significance of those circles to LBJ (i.e. exactly what you indicate couldn't be done here) or they would have been meaningless to him.  You find that more plausible than someone just saying to him "it's a go" that morning.  LOL.  Keep spinning the yarn.  It gets better and better.

Yer dumber than a post.....  An operation like the murder of the President involving Hoover and LBJ had to be given the high sign at the last minute....   That's the problem with you LNer's you've got simple minds like grammar school kids.
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Walt Cakebread on May 18, 2018, 11:15:53 PM
If you believe there was already a red ring on the TSBD for fire safety purposes, how exactly was LBJ supposed to know whether the red ring he saw was the "signal" or the pre-existing fire safety circle?  It seems like a pretty confusing and unnecessary signal just moments before the shots are fired.  And you also think these red circles were for JFK as well - the target?  Maybe give him a sporting chance to duck as well.  I'm done with this.

If you believe there was already a red ring on the TSBD for fire safety purposes,

Why would you assume that I believe there was a red ring for fire safety.....  If you'll extract your head youl may be alert enough to notice that the TSBD was equipped with a fire escape.
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Matt Grantham on May 19, 2018, 03:07:33 AM
 Back to the time Altgens 6

Mr. LIEBELER - The important thing is--it's not all that important as to how far you were away from the car at the time you took the picture--the thing that I want to establish is that you are absolutely sure that you took Exhibit No. 203 at about the time the first shot was fired and that you are quite sure also in your own mind, that there were no shots fired after you saw the President hit in the head.
Mr. ALTGENS - That is correct; in both cases.
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Richard Smith on May 21, 2018, 01:40:56 PM
If you believe there was already a red ring on the TSBD for fire safety purposes,

Why would you assume that I believe there was a red ring for fire safety.....  If you'll extract your head youl may be alert enough to notice that the TSBD was equipped with a fire escape.

Check with the guy who posted this under your name:  "I've always acknowledged that there was a SINGLE red ring placed in a window to serve as a notice to firemen so they would know where to place their ladder." 
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Robin Unger on May 21, 2018, 02:10:24 PM
Altgens 6 crop colorized

(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/Image86.jpg)
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Matthew Finch on May 21, 2018, 03:36:40 PM
Did anyone see anyone waltz into the TSBD with a dripping tin of red paint (in an over-sized bag, just for laughs) leading up to the assassination to paint those joyous red rings on the windows then?

"Move those books over, pal - I've got to paint a big old 'notification circle' on that window there..."

:D
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Walt Cakebread on May 21, 2018, 05:42:56 PM
Did anyone see anyone waltz into the TSBD with a dripping tin of red paint (in an over-sized bag, just for laughs) leading up to the assassination to paint those joyous red rings on the windows then?

"Move those books over, pal - I've got to paint a big old 'notification circle' on that window there..."

:D

There were seven red rings in the south facing windows of the TSBD at the time of the coup d e'tat....There's no doubt about the existence of those red rings, because they are visible in many photos of the building that were taken that afternoon.   
The investigators most certainly saw those red rings and had to have wondered about the significance of the rings, but they were never mentioned and have been swept under the rug.   

When they have been asked about, the authorities have given lame answers like ...they were signals for the the
 Fire Department.
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Matt Grantham on May 21, 2018, 05:50:46 PM
Altgens 6 crop colorized

(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/Image86.jpg)

 That image looks to be outside the car It has been color enhanced from other photographs How far are we saying the image is from Lady Bird?
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Walt Cakebread on May 21, 2018, 07:36:31 PM
Weird that image, which still looks to be outside the car, does nor appear in other versions of Altgens 6

That looks like a shoulder patch on the motorcycle cop's uniform......
Title: Re: Was LBJ ducking before shots
Post by: Larry Trotter on May 22, 2018, 04:49:22 AM
I believe Robin Unger has located the image of the visible portion of the left side and left ear of then USVP LyndonJohnson, just after the vehicle he was in had turned onto westbound Elm St.