Well that is one (the most obvious IMO) of the reasons the MBT is a fiction.
the obvious hole in JFK's shirt being WAY too low.
well, a full fledged member of the WC doesn't believe it
and nor did the sitting president of the US.
but If you goofs want to believe it
go ahead
you guys are more WC than the actual WC
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well, a full fledged member of the WC doesn't believe it
One hits JFK in the throat from the front
could be worst comeback ever
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
3 post's in a row? why so angry?
could be worst comeback ever
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
3 post's in a row? why so angry?
You are frustrated because I am using WC witnesses,members and evidence
against your case.
what say you regarding the evidence I have pointed out?
Senator Russell was busy? thats it? you must do better than that. :D
"CGI simulations" LMFAO stop stop please is this a bit? :D :D :D
3 post's in a row? why so angry?
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
yep, you won!
Well Done
The magic bullet?
Its the weakest part of your entire case.
I dont know why you'd bring it up
the evidence against the THEORY is overwhelming
The WR truly is the worlds biggest hoax
and as I have proven you maniacs are
more WC than the actual WC
I don't think I'm about to change your mind
It is funny watching you guys try and make sense of it.
Hey, I know, we could use some
"real world recreations, stabilized film, alternating gifs and CGI simulations"
and then it would all make sense
WHOA, Johnny boy
better better, your comebacks are getting more sensical
I thought you said it wasn't a competition? :-[
you dont agree with me - but you keep re-posting everything I say
johnny you are so funny :D :D :D :D
your case is a loser bud - It's a Donkey
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTWuqxMzglPmtYJqPWAeffEw2HyewZRRUOdMmPSUoVT-8YJ1G8CzQ)
If you take a donkey and some rope.
then tie it from its leg and hang it from the roof
then stick a feather in its butt
it's still a donkey
HEE-HAW MF'er
Hey will you stop reposting all my hilarious posts?
Why do you keep putting yo name at the bottom?
we know who you are MF'er.
Hey will you stop reposting all my hilarious posts?
Why do you keep putting yo name at the bottom?
we know who you are MF'er.
Again comeback - terrible
you gonna have to work at this Johnny
you are not good at this.
Did you want to speak to GC's testimony regarding the shots?
What say you?
Again comeback - terrible
you gonna have to work at this Johnny
you are not good at this.
Did you want to speak to GC's testimony regarding the shots?
It's not a competition, it only happened one way.
JohnM
Sorry Eddie, no more of your unprovable worthless assertions, you already admitted defeat, Fcuk off!
JohnM
It's no longer the SBT it's the SBFact.
It's no longer the SBT it's the SBFact.
Something that's based on all sorts of assumptions somehow is a fact to you? ???
It's not a competition,
Well, it seems to you it is. Why else would you have written;
you already admitted defeat,
You can't keep up the pretense for long, can you now, Johnny?
Just saying?..
Caprio once claimed that JFK's clothes couldn't bunch because he wore expensive, tailored made suits from Brooks Brothers. You can't make that kind of comedy gold up. The pictures clearly provide the answer but CTers never let the facts get in the way of a far out fantasy.
Just like the "THEORY of relativity", until such time as the SBT can be replicated/duplicated in reality, it can Not be labeled as "Fact".
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jfk-single-bullet-theory-probed-using-latest-forensics-tech/
(https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jfk-single-bullet-theory-probed-using-latest-forensics-tech/)
Where in the video is the replication?
Not available for streaming according to PBS.
So what's the point of providing a like to a video that doesn't support your claim?
It does
In your dreams... just more theory by some "experts"...
Makes good tv but is no different to the Dale Myers cartoon.
That's right. Both prove the SBF.
It does
(https://sites.google.com/site/jfkforum/hsca/canning/reworked/wcr-sbtslope.jpg)
A one-inch high bunch (which uses two-inches of material in total) is enough to raise the jacket so it accommodates the SBT entrance. The shirt isn't visible but it was similarly displaced. The jacket and shirt have a 1/8" difference in the height of the hole.
Huh?
Marty, you're comparing 2 events which are non congruous.
The competition I was clearly refering to was never between two debaters but to what actually happened which has already been proven beyond all doubt by the overwhelming evidence and as pointed out, the sbf only happened one way so logically there is no other alternative and therefore in a one horse race there can be no competition and has zero do do with your doppelganger Eddie conceding that yes in fact I had already won.
JohnM
It's no longer the SBT it's the SBFact.
Caprio once claimed that JFK's clothes couldn't bunch because he wore expensive, tailored made suits from Brooks Brothers. You can't make that kind of comedy gold up. The pictures clearly provide the answer but CTers never let the facts get in the way of a far out fantasy.
lone nutters are the minority nowI see no evidence that LNers are currently losing ground.
and getting smaller everyday
Hee-Haw
The house select committee on assassinations believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The committee was unable to identify the other gunmen or the extent of the conspiracy.
There it is from your US Government
All you guys do is shout people down .
you cannot deny the fact Senator Russell thought it was unbelievable himself
and so did the sitting president of the united states
who QUICKLY agree's
you've all heard the telephone call
you guy's are holier than the pope himself, Its laughable
GTFO
lone nutters are the minority now
and getting smaller everyday
Hee-Haw
Wasn't the final legal verdict on the assasination a probable conspiracy?
I mean how credible is that?
Senator Richard Russell?
Not exactly a civil rights advocate
an old friend of LBJ's
He still cannot bring himself to sign off on that BS
No actual proof is being offered as to the alleged shirt bunching. Saying it did is merely verbiage. And as usual, the visual aid shows the bullet exiting JFK through his sternum.Since the jacket has been shown to have bunched up -- and the shirt had a similar pattern of displacement, as the bullet holes in the jacket and shirt demonstrate -- then the shirt must have been bunched up. The shirt being lighter material, it was probably bunched up near the shirt collar in a series of wrinkles. The jacket was of denser material and bunched up in a single bunch.
LBJ made sure he stacked the WC. His ace-in-the-hole being Gerry Ford. Ford moved the location of JFK's back wound and was the FBI/Hoover's eyes and ears inside the WC. No job was too big or too small for this soon to be appointed President.Ford thought the initial description (something like above the shoulder) was too vague (sounds to me like it could even be read as a missed shot). Ford convinced the other Commissioners to employ a description that better reflected what was in the autopsy report. Nothing was "moved." It's a little incidental thing that really captured the imagination of the conspiracy-minded.
Since the jacket has been shown to have bunched up -- and the shirt had a similar pattern of displacement, as the bullet holes in the jacket and shirt demonstrate -- then the shirt must have been bunched up. The shirt being lighter material, it was probably bunched up near the shirt collar in a series of wrinkles. The jacket was of denser material and bunched up in a single bunch.
(https://i.imgur.com/p8AX7j7.png)
The sternum (which somewhat resembles a necktie) is clearly below the exit site shown in the line drawing.
Ford thought the initial description (something like above the shoulder) was too vague (sounds to me like it could even be read as a missed shot). Ford convinced the other Commissioners to employ a description that better reflected what was in the autopsy report. Nothing was "moved." It's a little incidental thing that really captured the imagination of the conspiracy-minded.
(https://sites.google.com/site/jfkforum/hsca/canning/reworked/wcr-sbtslope.jpg)
A one-inch high bunch (which uses two-inches of material in total) is enough to raise the jacket so it accommodates the SBT entrance. The shirt isn't visible but it was similarly displaced. The jacket and shirt have a 1/8" difference in the height of the hole.
Who/What is the source of your "....ABOVE the shoulder" initial description of the BACK Wound?So you don't know the context and rationale behind Ford's concern over the initial wording? You're just mindlessly aping Ford's "moving" the back wound location because it suits your bias.
Unless that is referencing a different/additional wound, that description is Not in close proximity to the BACK wound notated on the autopsy face sheet and photographed at the autopsy.The initial wording (that Ford and the other Commissioners decided to make more accurate) was so vague it could have been taken as being away from the actual wound site or even as a "miss". Just like you are doing with my words in the above quote.
Oh, and who wears the knot in their necktie BELOW the collar bone? Hilarious visual aid chicanery.The red highlighted object in the 3D graphic is the sternum. Obviously lower than the exit site on the line drawing.
So you don't know the context and rationale behind Ford's concern over the initial wording? You're just mindlessly aping Ford's "moving" the back wound location because it suits your bias.
The initial wording (that Ford and the other Commissioners decided to make more accurate) was so vague it could have been taken as being away from the actual wound site or even as a "miss". Just like you are doing with my words in the above quote.
The red highlighted object in the 3D graphic is the sternum. Obviously lower than the exit site on the line drawing.
It is widely accepted the bullet entered at or about
the third thoracic vertebrae
"The President's death certificate places the wound at the third thoracic vertebra, which corresponds to the holes in the coat and shirt. This document was also marked verified."
Thats 5-6 inches down from the collar folks
please do this for me at home and get your partner to put their finger on your back there.Then try to explain how that bullet travels through to your neck and without smashing the spinal column.please try this at home.Feel how LOW that is?
FBI says 21 degrees down angle from the TSBD
forget about this "bunched shirt bologna" lets not re-invent the wheel
We know exactly where the wound was
case closed
There is absolutely Nothing in the Link which in Reality corroborates the Lack of Damage to the bullet involved in the SBT. None
There's only one CE-399. That bullet caused all the wounds to JFK and JBC other than the final and fatal head shot to JFK. As Dale Myers says
For a really detailed study of the SBF read The JFK Myths; A Scientific Investigation of the Kennedy Assassination by Larry M. Sturdivant.
Since the jacket has been shown to have bunched up -- and the shirt had a similar pattern of displacement, as the bullet holes in the jacket and shirt demonstrate -- then the shirt must have been bunched up. The shirt being lighter material, it was probably bunched up near the shirt collar in a series of wrinkles. The jacket was of denser material and bunched up in a single bunch.
Since the jacket has been shown to have bunched up -- and the shirt had a similar pattern of displacement, as the bullet holes in the jacket and shirt demonstrate -- then the shirt must have been bunched up. The shirt being lighter material, it was probably bunched up near the shirt collar in a series of wrinkles. The jacket was of denser material and bunched up in a single bunch.
(https://i.imgur.com/p8AX7j7.png)
The sternum (which somewhat resembles a necktie) is clearly below the exit site shown in the line drawing.
Ford thought the initial description (something like above the shoulder) was too vague (sounds to me like it could even be read as a missed shot). Ford convinced the other Commissioners to employ a description that better reflected what was in the autopsy report. Nothing was "moved." It's a little incidental thing that really captured the imagination of the conspiracy-minded.
Never mind the fact that several autopsy witnesses reported Humes' struggles to understand why the BULLET DID NOT TRANSIT THE BODY. These witnesses and the Sibert and O'Neill report state that the end of the wound could be felt while probing this wound. How could this missile be any threat to Connally? Answer is simple and it TOTALLY DESTROYS the imbecilic SBT.
(http://i47.tinypic.com/15x8g46.jpg)
Doesn't this destroy the MBT alone?
It's clearly not a ricochet but a direct hit
The windshield damage could be a ricochet from the final shot
This clearly is not
Jack your wound looks WAY too high.
It looks as If Mr Ford has done some of his handy work on it. lol
Official autopsy say's 3rd thoracic vertebrae (5-6 inches down from the collar)
The evidence fits perfectly
(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1087fd7691721af0146484e3c5ad3be1)
(http://www.jfklancer.com/docs.maps/back_diagram.gif)
this is where the bullet stopped and why the wound was so shallow
To think people really believe this bullet could find its way to the front of the trachea without smashing the spinal column amazes me.If it did do that all the bone and bullet would have blasted out the front of the trachea and JFK would have died instantly with a golfball sized exit wound in his throat.
Dont forget this bullet is still traversing at high velocity (enough to kill another man) on exiting JFK's neck.
After all that the bullet really GETS CRAZY. It is simply nonsensical.
There's some of our evidence. Where is your's?
Yes, the shirt/jacket bunching proves squat. And the SBF is actually the SBH (Hypothesis) because it is merely a guess and there is NO evidence to support it. Especially the bunching of JFK's clothing. ::)
Mytton is such a cut and paster who knows squat about ballistics, image analysis and science in general. There is only 1 thing you need to ask yourself and that is at what vertebrae did the MB strike JFK's back and what vertebrae did it exit his throat? How his jacket bunched is totally irrelevant and proves that you don't know what proof means. A scientist you ain't. So what is your answer Mytton? Here's a hint dufus:
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/x-ray_mb.gif)
Is that it Mr Organ?Look in a mirror or take a selfie. The back of the base of your neck is always higher than the base of the front of the neck. While you're at it, do your Christmas flossing and nose-hair puck.
Thats your comeback?
That x-ray is NOT consistent with JFK's wounds
It is no where even close.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRH8uL2YKDAk7YZAyfFMJHV0eaxtsgxufp72f4W9gs0JRoaOUwY)
At least an inch higher than the clavicle (feel that on your neck)
Which means the rear bullet had to strike higher than that from behind
It has to hit JFK squarely in the lower neck - which is NOT EVEN CLOSE
To the actual wounds.Clearly shot in the upper back and not the neck (officialLOL. You're not the least bit qualified to comment on those things.
autopsy photos) The MB would be an OBVIOUS neck shot from behind.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7FjFmuwn3506wGR5gSzMteLv8gkgb-sc8gIS_aFipVA8T_-Gr)
Even though I feel this picture is not correct or has been altered
"Telltale marks." I'll put that in my Xmas stocking, along with the equally-worthy dryer lint that's there. Where we need to see signs of tweezers are in your nostrils, ears and over your eyes.
I cannot resist using it as it is supplied by the government
AND IT STILL HARMS THE WC CASE,Its obviously too low to support the MBT.
you see the unusual wound shape? Tweezers have removed the bullet
and left their telltale marks on the wound.
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come on Bugliosi's Boyz - bring it, I'm at yo mamma's house for Christmas.
We can see the picture Bud
we know what someone's back is
and what their neck is
what say you regarding the bullet hole in the windshield frame? (pg8)
It's an obvious impact
see the clavicle in your picture
JFK's "exit" wound was a inch above that at the front
So the rear impact has to be higher again
right up into the neck at the rear - no mistake about it.
you don't see a bullet impact?
great defence - glaucoma
I hope santa gives you some new spectacles this year
see the clavicle in your pictureNear horizontal in anatomical-position. The wounding position was different.
JFK's "exit" wound was a inch above that at the front
So the rear impact has to be higher again
right up into the neck at the rear - no mistake about it.
you don't see a bullet impact?
great defence - glaucoma
I hope santa gives you some new spectacles this year
Near horizontal in anatomical-position. The wounding position was different.
(https://sites.google.com/site/jfkforum/neckwound/generic-anatomic-and-seated-positions.jpg)
JFK's wounding position was about in the middle of what's shown above.
Sure, I see an "impact" in the frame possibly caused by a metal fragment. I just don't see your so-called "bullet hole."
Ask him for books on basic anatomy and forensics.
You're getting into Dale Myers comedy territory with that diagram. Myers made Kennedy look like a hunchback in his award-winning cartoon and your diagram is just as bad.
How do you account for the downward angle of the bullet from the 6th floor?
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Absolutely NO Proof offered above. "In between" = whatever that Specifically means. "Compare the chin relative to the shoulder line" = more blather. This is the classic Dancing-A-Jig when stuck = BS:
Why did Gerald R. Ford think that he could actually move the back shot all the way up to the base of the neck .
In between: In this case, a third head placed equidistant between the two heads.
I'd say Jerry thought you xxxxx would get the idea just by describing it... but evidently forgot that you lot are permanent short-bus passengers.
Now that's funny - "a third head" LOLOL. I thought only CTers were only kooks and loons but you take the cake on this one. Maybe you can reach out to Myers and he'll throw some pixels together and create that third head.
LOL
Near horizontal in anatomical-position. The wounding position was different.
(https://sites.google.com/site/jfkforum/neckwound/generic-anatomic-and-seated-positions.jpg)
JFK's wounding position was about in the middle of what's shown above.
Sure, I see an "impact" in the frame possibly caused by a metal fragment. I just don't see your so-called "bullet hole."
Ask him for books on basic anatomy and forensics.
Now that's funny - "a third head" LOLOL. I thought only CTers were only kooks and loons but you take the cake on this one. Maybe you can reach out to Myers and he'll throw some pixels together and create that third head.
LOL
you were right Mr Storing
right to "I dont see no bullet hole"
Its the classic setup where I say "not a hole an impact"
"Well,If it was a bullet It would make a hole"
Do these guys take some deluded pride in defending this crap?
There should be a fresh congressional investigation into the JFK crime
based on that picture alone
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRH8uL2YKDAk7YZAyfFMJHV0eaxtsgxufp72f4W9gs0JRoaOUwY)
At least an inch higher than the clavicle (feel that on your neck)
Which means the rear bullet had to strike higher than that from behind
It has to hit JFK squarely in the lower neck - which is NOT EVEN CLOSE
To the actual wounds.Clearly shot in the upper back and not the neck (official
autopsy photos wiki page) The MB would be an OBVIOUS neck shot from behind.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7FjFmuwn3506wGR5gSzMteLv8gkgb-sc8gIS_aFipVA8T_-Gr)
This wound is obviously too low to support the MBT.
you see the unusual wound shape? Surgical tweezers/clamps have removed the bullet
and left their telltale marks on the wound.
I......dentical
:D :D