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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: Was Kennedy's Jacket bunched on Elm Street?
« Reply #56 on: December 21, 2018, 05:41:56 PM »
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   No actual proof is being offered as to the alleged shirt bunching. Saying it did is merely verbiage. And as usual, the visual aid shows the bullet exiting JFK through his sternum.
Since the jacket has been shown to have bunched up -- and the shirt had a similar pattern of displacement, as the bullet holes in the jacket and shirt demonstrate -- then the shirt must have been bunched up. The shirt being lighter material, it was probably bunched up near the shirt collar in a series of wrinkles. The jacket was of denser material and bunched up in a single bunch.



The sternum (which somewhat resembles a necktie) is clearly below the exit site shown in the line drawing.

    LBJ made sure he stacked the WC. His ace-in-the-hole being Gerry Ford.  Ford moved the location of JFK's back wound and was the FBI/Hoover's eyes and ears inside the WC. No job was too big or too small for this soon to be appointed President.
Ford thought the initial description (something like above the shoulder) was too vague (sounds to me like it could even be read as a missed shot). Ford convinced the other Commissioners to employ a description that better reflected what was in the autopsy report. Nothing was "moved." It's a little incidental thing that really captured the imagination of the conspiracy-minded.

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Re: Was Kennedy's Jacket bunched on Elm Street?
« Reply #56 on: December 21, 2018, 05:41:56 PM »


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Re: Was Kennedy's Jacket bunched on Elm Street?
« Reply #57 on: December 21, 2018, 06:27:45 PM »
Since the jacket has been shown to have bunched up -- and the shirt had a similar pattern of displacement, as the bullet holes in the jacket and shirt demonstrate -- then the shirt must have been bunched up. The shirt being lighter material, it was probably bunched up near the shirt collar in a series of wrinkles. The jacket was of denser material and bunched up in a single bunch.



The sternum (which somewhat resembles a necktie) is clearly below the exit site shown in the line drawing.

Ford thought the initial description (something like above the shoulder) was too vague (sounds to me like it could even be read as a missed shot). Ford convinced the other Commissioners to employ a description that better reflected what was in the autopsy report. Nothing was "moved." It's a little incidental thing that really captured the imagination of the conspiracy-minded.

    Who/What is the source of your "....ABOVE the shoulder" initial description of the BACK Wound?  Unless that is referencing a different/additional wound, that description is Not in close proximity to the BACK wound notated on the autopsy face sheet and photographed at the autopsy. Oh, and who wears the knot in their necktie BELOW the collar bone? Hilarious visual aid chicanery.
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Re: Was Kennedy's Jacket bunched on Elm Street?
« Reply #58 on: December 21, 2018, 06:31:54 PM »


A one-inch high bunch (which uses two-inches of material in total) is enough to raise the jacket so it accommodates the SBT entrance. The shirt isn't visible but it was similarly displaced. The jacket and shirt have a 1/8" difference in the height of the hole.

    Bump as to visual aid sternum exit wound.

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Re: Was Kennedy's Jacket bunched on Elm Street?
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Re: Was Kennedy's Jacket bunched on Elm Street?
« Reply #59 on: December 21, 2018, 06:41:52 PM »
    Who/What is the source of your "....ABOVE the shoulder" initial description of the BACK Wound? 
So you don't know the context and rationale behind Ford's concern over the initial wording? You're just mindlessly aping Ford's "moving" the back wound location because it suits your bias.

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Unless that is referencing a different/additional wound, that description is Not in close proximity to the BACK wound notated on the autopsy face sheet and photographed at the autopsy.
The initial wording (that Ford and the other Commissioners decided to make more accurate) was so vague it could have been taken as being away from the actual wound site or even as a "miss". Just like you are doing with my words in the above quote.

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Oh, and who wears the knot in their necktie BELOW the collar bone? Hilarious visual aid chicanery.
The red highlighted object in the 3D graphic is the sternum. Obviously lower than the exit site on the line drawing.

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Re: Was Kennedy's Jacket bunched on Elm Street?
« Reply #60 on: December 21, 2018, 07:24:39 PM »
So you don't know the context and rationale behind Ford's concern over the initial wording? You're just mindlessly aping Ford's "moving" the back wound location because it suits your bias.
The initial wording (that Ford and the other Commissioners decided to make more accurate) was so vague it could have been taken as being away from the actual wound site or even as a "miss". Just like you are doing with my words in the above quote.
The red highlighted object in the 3D graphic is the sternum. Obviously lower than the exit site on the line drawing.

       YOU referenced "...ABOVE the shoulder" regarding an initial description.  A description being generally "vague" would be understandable. A description Specifically referencing "....ABOVE the shoulder" would be one I am not familiar with. This is why I asked Who/What your source was.
       Maybe you should avoid using that visual aid? It Clearly displays the exit wound to be through the sternum

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Re: Was Kennedy's Jacket bunched on Elm Street?
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Re: Was Kennedy's Jacket bunched on Elm Street?
« Reply #61 on: December 21, 2018, 10:07:08 PM »

It is widely accepted the bullet entered at or about

the third thoracic vertebrae

"The President's death certificate places the wound at the third thoracic vertebra, which corresponds to the holes in the coat and shirt. This document was also marked verified."

Thats 5-6 inches down from the collar folks

please do this for me at home and get your partner to put their finger on your back there.Then try to explain how that bullet travels through to your neck and without smashing the spinal column.please try this at home.Feel how LOW that is?

FBI says 21 degrees down angle from the TSBD

forget about this "bunched shirt bologna"  lets not re-invent the wheel

We know exactly where the wound was

case closed

If you wish to challenge the official death cert. evidence please do so

Around the sternum yes - somewhere around the nipple level is where the bullet would have exited (It obviously hit a vertebrae and embedded there)
Similar to the angle of GC's wound. That would fit the evidence

HEE-HAW
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Re: Was Kennedy's Jacket bunched on Elm Street?
« Reply #62 on: December 21, 2018, 10:14:41 PM »
     There is absolutely Nothing in the Link which in Reality corroborates the Lack of Damage to the bullet involved in the SBT. None

There's only one CE-399. That bullet caused all the wounds to JFK and JBC other than the final and fatal head shot to JFK. As Dale Myers says


For a really detailed study of the SBF read The JFK Myths; A Scientific Investigation of the Kennedy Assassination by Larry M. Sturdivant.

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Re: Was Kennedy's Jacket bunched on Elm Street?
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Re: Was Kennedy's Jacket bunched on Elm Street?
« Reply #63 on: December 21, 2018, 10:21:18 PM »
There's only one CE-399. That bullet caused all the wounds to JFK and JBC other than the final and fatal head shot to JFK. As Dale Myers says


For a really detailed study of the SBF read The JFK Myths; A Scientific Investigation of the Kennedy Assassination by Larry M. Sturdivant.

Can you, or Dale Myers or Larry Sturdivant, prove that the bullet now in evidence as CE-399;

(1) was fired by the MC rifle on 11/22/63,
(2) was the bullet found by Tomlinson at Parkland Hospital
and (3) was the bullet that passed through Kennedy and Connally?