JFK Assassination Forum
The JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Tom Graves on June 14, 2026, 04:21:10 AM
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AFAIK, comrades Jimmy DiEugenio, Oliver Stone, Jefferson Morley, Peter Dale Scott, Bill Simpich, and Gary "Rudeness" Aguilar, et al. ad nauseum, believe the evil, evil, evil Military Industrial Intelligence-Community Complex killed JFK.
What about you?
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Yes, and Vincent Salandria and James W. Douglass.
A lot of smart guys are in the aforementioned, but...the ideology writes the agenda, and the agenda writes the narrative.
Another smart guy, and former CIA director with decades of experience in international affairs, James Woolsey, suspects the KGB.
Some suspect the Mafia or LBJ.
I suspect, but concede it is only a reasonable suspicion, that G2'ers were involved, although possibly just Alpha-66'ers.
A very small plot, involving LHO and two others.
Strange JFKA Fact: Almost no one believes LHO was part of a small, informal, ad hoc JFKA, consisting of lower level G2'ers or Cuban exiles.
LHO is usually posited to have been totally innocent, and framed in plot involving dozens and dozens up to the highest levels somewhere...or to have acted alone.
Then, we have crackpots positing Mossad...oh never mind.
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Yes, and Vincent Salandria and James W. Douglass.
A lot of smart guys are in the aforementioned, but...the ideology writes the agenda, and the agenda writes the narrative.
Another smart guy, and former CIA director with decades of experience in international affairs, James Woolsey, suspects the KGB.
Some suspect the Mafia or LBJ.
I suspect, but concede it is only a reasonable suspicion, that G2'ers were involved, although possibly just Alpha-66'ers.
A very small plot, involving LHO and two others.
Strange JFKA Fact: Almost no one believes LHO was part of a small, informal, ad hoc JFKA, consisting of lower level G2'ers or Cuban exiles.
LHO is usually posited to have been totally innocent, and framed in plot involving dozens and dozens up to the highest levels somewhere...or to have acted alone.
Then, we have crackpots positing Mossad...oh never mind.
I asked a simple question -- yes or no.
I didn't ask you for your brilliant observations and/or theories.
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No
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Yes. By the old boys IC-joint venture of all country's all over the world that still exists.
A former high-ranking colleague of Angleton(...) quote:
"Jim (angleton) believed that the real exercise of power in and between countries
occurs through networks of leaders. This was the importance of the
liaison unit. It operated outside of the normal channels, which really
irritated people like the State Department at times. A lot of it went
back to relationships formed during and just after World War II. Jim
cultivated these people, whether they were in or out of government."
Close quote
For instance: IMO the Covid affaire was a US-China IC joint venture, executed by the the MIC of the US and the MIC of China, with Europe as junior partner. 22.11. 63 was a SU-US joint venture with several junior partners: Mafia, Israel ...
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Yes. By the old boys IC-joint venture of all country's all over the world that still exists.
A former high-ranking colleague of Angleton(...) quote:
"Jim (angleton) believed that the real exercise of power in and between countries
occurs through networks of leaders. This was the importance of the
liaison unit. It operated outside of the normal channels, which really
irritated people like the State Department at times. A lot of it went
back to relationships formed during and just after World War II. Jim
cultivated these people, whether they were in or out of government."
Close quote
For instance: IMO the Covid affaire was a US-China IC joint venture, executed by the the MIC of the US and the MIC of China, with Europe as junior partner. 22.11. 63 was a SU-US joint venture with several junior partners: Mafia, Israel ...
Father-figure-requiring James Angleton was duped by a probable KGB mole in the CIA by the name of Bruce Leonard Solie (look him up; he was Deputy Chief of the Office of Security's mole-hunting Security Research Staff and Chief of ITS Research Branch) to such an extent that he may have manipulated Angleton into sending Oswald to Moscow in October 1959 as an ostensible "dangle" in a (unbeknownst to Angleton and Oswald) planned-to-fail hunt for "Popov's U-2 Mole" (Solie) in the wrong part of the CIA -- the Soviet Russia Division.
Which mole hunt lasted nine years, protected Solie from being uncovered, destroyed the Soviet Russia Division, and drove Angleton nuts.
Ironically, Angleton told true defector KGB Major Anatoly Golitsyn and CIA officers David E. Murphy and Raymond Rocca on 29 June 1964 that Solie's office was the only one in the CIA he wasn't afraid was penetrated by the KGB.
Among other things, in October 1968 Solie "cleared" false-defector-in-place in Geneva in June 1962 / false (or perhaps rogue) physical defector to the U.S. in February 1964, Yuri Nosenko, via a bogus polygraph exam and a specious report.
A short time later, Nosenko was generously reimbursed for his troubles, naturalized as a U.S. citizen, and got a good-paying gig at the CIA teaching "counterintelligence" to its and the FBI's new recruits.
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I voted a simple NO. I would have voted an EMPHATIC NO but that wasn't one of the options.
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No, but they certainly helped cover it up. As did the Kennedy family. Probably to cover up the Cuban assassination plots and CIA incompetence.
If the MIC was behind the assassination, no Kennedy would have dared run for political office. The MIC could have easily leaked stories about JFK’s marital infidelities or the secret deal with the Soviets to pull US missiles out of Turkey through Mockingbird and it would have damaged JFK’s chances in 1964.
Note that after the assassination, US nuclear strategic warheads peaked in 1965 while the Soviet’s stockpile continued to grow and surpass the US. The Vietnam war was escalated but conducted in a feckless manner, mostly by people selected by JFK. RFK continued to support the war until at least 1966 when it was starting to go south.The “dangerous” Limited Test Ban Treaty remained in place. The MIC concocted and elaborate assassination plot that had to involve dozens, successfully carried it out and successfully covered it up but then still lost ground?
Based on asking “cui bono?” after the assassination, the benefits accrued to those who who would be expected to be behind the Cuba, LBJ or Mossad theories. The sabotage/assassination plots against Cuba stopped and there was no invasion. LBJ gained the presidency and not removed from office due to the corruption investigations. Israel was able to continue its nuclear weapons program unmolested, watchdogs dragged their feet on the NUMEC uranium theft and the Israel escaped RFK/Fulbright attempts to get them registered as a foreign Lobby.
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No, but they certainly helped cover it up. As did the Kennedy family. Probably to cover up the Cuban assassination plots and CIA incompetence.
This was one of my real epiphanies, for which I thank Larry Hancock: The assorted cover-ups all have their own reasons, none of which necessarily has ANYTHING AT ALL to do any conspiracy to carry out the JFKA.
Based on asking “cui bono?” after the assassination, the benefits accrued to those who who would be expected to be behind the Cuba, LBJ or Mossad theories. The sabotage/assassination plots against Cuba stopped and there was no invasion. LBJ gained the presidency and not removed from office due to the corruption investigations. Israel was able to continue its nuclear weapons program unmolested, watchdogs dragged their feet on the NUMEC uranium theft and the Israel escaped RFK/Fulbright attempts to get them registered as a foreign Lobby.
Someone - probably John Corbett - became practically apoplectic when we went down the "cui bono?" road not too long ago. Lest we forget, however: The Mafia!
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My 90 year old grandmother could have reacted faster than the secret service. They had to cover their asses.
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Many get quite upset when anything disparaging of the biblical theme park in the middle east is suggested. Criticize our own government all you want but leave our greatest ally alone!
The Mafia would not have done this on their own. They actually vetoed a hit on NY governor Tom Dewey because it would bring to much heat on them. And Hoffa still went to jail.
It is true that the Mafia’s criminal networks and moral ambivalence made them useful for government intelligence agencies. The OSS used the Mafia in WW2 in Operation Underworld to guard the NYC docks from saboteurs and support resistance networks in Italy. Israel used US Mafia networks to smuggle weapons out of the US. The CIA of course used them for assassination attempts on Castro.
The Ruby hit on Oswald could have been requested by the CIA as part of the cover up or ordered by Mossad. Ruby had some interesting companions at the Dallas Police station on Friday evening that were never followed up by the WC.
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My 90 year old grandmother could have reacted faster than the secret service. They had to cover their asses.
Secret Service, FBI, CIA, DPD, LBJ and probably others - they all had CYA reasons for a post-JFKA cover-up of one degree or another.
Another one of my little epiphanies is a quote from Gerry Patrick Hemming (of all people): "I know for a fact there were plans to assassinate JFK. Maybe Oswald just beat 'em to it." I think it's entirely possible that what the best CT researchers (like Hancock) are uncovering were indeed assassination plots at one stage or another of seriousness. Researchers encounter difficulty in fitting Oswald and Dealey Plaza into such plots BECAUSE HE WASN'T PART OF THEM. He may have even been aware that talk of an assassination was in the air - but when Fate handed him an opportunity on a golden platter, he "just beat 'em to it."
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Secret Service, FBI, CIA, DPD, LBJ and probably others - they all had CYA reasons for a post-JFKA cover-up of one degree or another.
Another one of my little epiphanies is a quote from Gerry Patrick Hemming (of all people): "I know for a fact there were plans to assassinate JFK. Maybe Oswald just beat 'em to it." I think it's entirely possible that what the best CT researchers (like Hancock) are uncovering were indeed assassination plots at one stage or another of seriousness. Researchers encounter difficulty in fitting Oswald and Dealey Plaza into such plots BECAUSE HE WASN'T PART OF THEM. He may have even been aware that talk of an assassination was in the air - but when Fate handed him an opportunity on a golden platter, he "just beat 'em to it."
I could buy that except for the timing of the shots and the shallow angle between the back and throat wounds (regardless of whether or not the bullet went on to hit JBC). While eyewitness testimony is not reliable, many recall two of the shots being much closer together than the third shot. There is disagreement as to whether the first two shots or the last two shots were close together but it was noted even by law enforcement officers. When the Discovery Channel recreated the SBT, the shot emerged from JFK’s chest as shown by their own highlighting of the trajectory and the ersatz autopsy drawing they made up to be evaluated by an independent forensic examiner who concluded there were two shooters. However, a shot from a lower floor of the Dal-Tex building looks like it would have worked.
I think it’s possible Oswald gave one of the shooters access to the TSBD and perhaps acted as a lookout. Could he have left the building so soon afterwards to deliberately draw attention to himself and away from someone else? A deliberate “patsy”? If he was put up to it by pro-Castro Cubans, could he have been promised refuge in Cuba? Maybe they had no intention of honoring that promise and he was supposed to be killed but he was captured first.
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Someone - probably John Corbett - became practically apoplectic when we went down the "cui bono?" road not too long ago. Lest we forget, however: The Mafia!
"Apoplectic"??? Perhaps you mistook my laughter for apoplexy. Nothing you guys do angers me. I participate in these online discussions for amusement only. I find it humorous that despite being unable to find any compelling evidence of a conspiracy to kill JFK, you guys continue on your snipe hunt, convinced that one day you will bag your prey. You remind me of Elmer Fudd trying to hunt down Bugs Bunny.
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"Apoplectic"??? Perhaps you mistook my laughter for apoplexy. Nothing you guys do angers me. I participate in these online discussions for amusement only. I find it humorous that despite being unable to find any compelling evidence of a conspiracy to kill JFK, you guys continue on your snipe hunt, convinced that one day you will bag your prey. You remind me of Elmer Fudd trying to hunt down Bugs Bunny.
You certainly disguise your mirth well. Perhaps concealing your mirth is part of your self-amusement. You strike me as about as mirthful as MTG.
Mirthful John yuks it up at his keyboard over the latest CT post ...
(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/angry-worker-hit-his-keyboard-29579507.jpg)