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The JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Karl Kinaski on June 13, 2026, 06:52:43 AM
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"How can one expect a president to shed light on the assassination of another president when he is not even interested in investigating the assassination attempt on himself?"
Candace Owens says President Trump is covering up the truth about the Butler assassination attempt because it was either staged or intended as a warning shot to force him into compliance. Owens says Dan Bongino is in full panic mode as questions continue to grow around the case, calling him a "stone-cold liar."
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Judyth Baker on X yesterday, quote
Judyth Vary Baker
@Judyth
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Jun 12
My attempts to testify to Luna about Lee Harvey Oswald has resulted in a humungous email effort to STOP me, using old arguments from 20 years ago based on altered emails and misquotes. Desperate to stop me, here's what they are ending to everyone they can think of:
"Judyth Vary Baker...fails on chronology (the Cancún anachronism, met with characteristic blame-shifting), on corroboration (Anna Lewis places her with Oswald while he was in Minsk), and on her sole documentary tether — a Reily Coffee W-2 whose authenticity is contested and which, in any event, suggests only co-employment; no contemporaneous Reily co-worker mentions her at all." GOT THAT? Now here are some facts to chew on:
THE CANCUN BRUHAHA
"Judyth Vary Baker ...fails on chronology (the Cancún anachronism, met with characteristic blame-shifting),..."
20 yrs ago, I had not yet located evidence about the real Cancun we planned to visit BEFORE perhaps going to Chichen-Itza. My agent, Peter Cox, thought a "fine hotel" Lee mentioned was on the then-deserted island of Cancun. We had planned to tay at a tiny village called Kankun, certainly no fine hotel.
For this and other gaffs, such as claiming I'd been sh^t at in Mexico, and had been hiding in Europe, I fired him. My insistence that we KNEW Cancun was called a lie. I insisted that an archeological dig was conducted there in July 1963, which Lee and I saw on exhibit in late August at Tulane' Latin American Library. Lee knew a CIA agent had rented a boat to go there - Dr. Wyllys Andrews -- who said the beach was suitable as an airstrip. I was finally able to prove the dig and exhibit occurred, and that I knew Cancun was a desert island back in 1963, in 2023 - multiple researchers went in person with me to Tulane' Latin American Library and found the evidence: the dig, the maps, the photos, just as I had described them. I had never even mentioned Cancun until my agent mentioned it, because of course, Lee was ordered back to Dallas and then was framed.
According to my enemies, I planned to meet Lee at a "fine hotel" at Cancun in 1963. They are shameless liars. The documents proving the dig, maps, etc, were photographed in a documentary June 5, 2026. And I have the name of those who witnessed finding the evidence.
"However, on corroboration (Anna Lewis places her with Oswald while he was in Minsk)..." 36 years later, Anna Lewis, who was filmed without any warning or preparation, remembered seeing Lee Oswald for the first time in 1962. She was off by a year. She spent over 35 minute describing everything else in detail, such as that Lee and I double-dated with her and her husband, David (who is in the JFK record). If anything, missing the date by one year how Anna Lewis wa not coached and had not prepared anything in advance.
THIS LAST ONE IGNORES NEW EVIDENCE:
"and on her sole documentary tether — a Reily Coffee W-2 whose authenticity is contested and which, in any event, suggests only co-employment..."
LOL! There are check stubs, bank statements, executive stationery, and now, Lee's time cards I had described which were finally released by the FBI some 12 years ago, which have my initial "J" on 6 of Lee's 11 time cards from Reily.
We were also registered at the A-1 Employment office (there were 6 active and 9 total employment office in New Orleans),
we were hired the same day to work at a tiny Reily sub-company (Standard) where our record were laundered, then transferred together a week later to Reily.
The day Lee was fired, an ad was ordered to replace me, as our job were together.
I was fired a week early on Aug 9 - the same day Lee was arrested - because I was seen with him.
They are griping that the W2 form I have was forged!
They wrote:
"...no contemporaneous Reily co-worker mentions her at all."
That is a lie. My witness is in my book, Lee Harvey Oswald and Me, along with her photo from 1963. Also, a private detective hired by a person still alive interviewed Reily workers who remembered me, but not Lee (he was a maintenance man, I was the Vice President'ss Finance and Security Secretary, quite visible.
Their 20-year-old accusations were never updated. Besides failing to update, NOT ONE OF MY ACCUSERS EVER CONTACTED ME for information all thee years. They relied on emails that in some cases can be easily seen to have been altered.
I am 83 years old. Most of my supporters who saw my original evidence are now gone. Some of my documents have been stolen. I have suffered injuries, threats and bankruptcy. I have never asked for money for any interview.
Two of my enemieshave recently been added to Rep. Luna' committee. They want to make sure my voice is never heard.
I'm also being muzzled here on X. My information on cancer a a bioweapon, in 1963, using the SV40 Monkey Virus, wasrevealed in 1999. Powerful Big Pharma source don't want me to peak, either.
I am writing this to set the record straight with the public. Lee Harvey Oswald was framed. He was silenced forever in front of 70+ Dallas Police.
THEY WANT ME TO BE SILENCED FOREVER, TOO.
PLEASE HELP PROTECT ME.
PLEAE REPOST THIS.
I THANK GOD I AM STILL ABLE TO SPEAK.
Thank you for your time.
God bless you all.
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Well, JVB is correct about one thing: I do want her to be silenced forever. Not dead, mind you, just silenced. A classic example of what plagues every area of weirdness: the desperate for attention wannabe.
I heard a clip of Candace Owens doing an antisemitic rant on Christian talk radio yesterday. It's absolutely astonishing how she has descended from far-right darling who used to seem more or less sensible on FOX News and other mainstream outlets to complete radioactive wacko. Come to think of it, they played a clip of Tucker Carlson, too.
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The goal of people like Owens is to achieve some level of notoriety = $$. Their role, (and it is a "role"), is no different than the "heavy" in wrestling match. People pay to see them, or in Owens case "click" on a computer. Nothing has changed here, as the bottom line is always $$. People believe that because someone is routinely on FOX NEWS or MSNOW, etc, that they are making all kinds of $$. That's just Not true. When you hear their position described as "contributor", they ain't makin' jack/$$. People you see with "news" shows on the weekend only, ain't makin' jack. They are basically auditioning for a regular "gig" during the week. They are generally regarded as 1st in line, but their weekend duty is still that of "auditioning".
Back when Johnny Carson was doing "The Tonight Show", his guests whether it was Burt Reynolds or that 89 yr old firefighter from Maine, were paid Union Scale/$$ to appear on the show. Of course, the "guest" also had to be a member of the Screen Actors Guild in order to appear on the show. For someone such as the 89 yr old firefighter, the 1 appearance on the show resulted in close to a net "wash" monetarily. This is what people such as Owens are making during their association with FOX NEWS. Same goes for clowns like Al Sharpton over at MSNOW. These people ain't making jack/$$.
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"How can one expect a president to shed light on the assassination of another president when he is not even interested in investigating the assassination attempt on himself?"
Candace Owens says President Trump is covering up the truth about the Butler assassination attempt because it was either staged or intended as a warning shot to force him into compliance. Owens says Dan Bongino is in full panic mode as questions continue to grow around the case, calling him a "stone-cold liar."
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Judyth Baker on X yesterday, quote
Judyth Vary Baker
@Judyth
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Jun 12
My attempts to testify to Luna about Lee Harvey Oswald has resulted in a humungous email effort to STOP me, using old arguments from 20 years ago based on altered emails and misquotes. Desperate to stop me, here's what they are ending to everyone they can think of:
"Judyth Vary Baker...fails on chronology (the Cancún anachronism, met with characteristic blame-shifting), on corroboration (Anna Lewis places her with Oswald while he was in Minsk), and on her sole documentary tether — a Reily Coffee W-2 whose authenticity is contested and which, in any event, suggests only co-employment; no contemporaneous Reily co-worker mentions her at all." GOT THAT? Now here are some facts to chew on:
THE CANCUN BRUHAHA
"Judyth Vary Baker ...fails on chronology (the Cancún anachronism, met with characteristic blame-shifting),..."
20 yrs ago, I had not yet located evidence about the real Cancun we planned to visit BEFORE perhaps going to Chichen-Itza. My agent, Peter Cox, thought a "fine hotel" Lee mentioned was on the then-deserted island of Cancun. We had planned to tay at a tiny village called Kankun, certainly no fine hotel.
For this and other gaffs, such as claiming I'd been sh^t at in Mexico, and had been hiding in Europe, I fired him. My insistence that we KNEW Cancun was called a lie. I insisted that an archeological dig was conducted there in July 1963, which Lee and I saw on exhibit in late August at Tulane' Latin American Library. Lee knew a CIA agent had rented a boat to go there - Dr. Wyllys Andrews -- who said the beach was suitable as an airstrip. I was finally able to prove the dig and exhibit occurred, and that I knew Cancun was a desert island back in 1963, in 2023 - multiple researchers went in person with me to Tulane' Latin American Library and found the evidence: the dig, the maps, the photos, just as I had described them. I had never even mentioned Cancun until my agent mentioned it, because of course, Lee was ordered back to Dallas and then was framed.
According to my enemies, I planned to meet Lee at a "fine hotel" at Cancun in 1963. They are shameless liars. The documents proving the dig, maps, etc, were photographed in a documentary June 5, 2026. And I have the name of those who witnessed finding the evidence.
"However, on corroboration (Anna Lewis places her with Oswald while he was in Minsk)..." 36 years later, Anna Lewis, who was filmed without any warning or preparation, remembered seeing Lee Oswald for the first time in 1962. She was off by a year. She spent over 35 minute describing everything else in detail, such as that Lee and I double-dated with her and her husband, David (who is in the JFK record). If anything, missing the date by one year how Anna Lewis wa not coached and had not prepared anything in advance.
THIS LAST ONE IGNORES NEW EVIDENCE:
"and on her sole documentary tether — a Reily Coffee W-2 whose authenticity is contested and which, in any event, suggests only co-employment..."
LOL! There are check stubs, bank statements, executive stationery, and now, Lee's time cards I had described which were finally released by the FBI some 12 years ago, which have my initial "J" on 6 of Lee's 11 time cards from Reily.
We were also registered at the A-1 Employment office (there were 6 active and 9 total employment office in New Orleans),
we were hired the same day to work at a tiny Reily sub-company (Standard) where our record were laundered, then transferred together a week later to Reily.
The day Lee was fired, an ad was ordered to replace me, as our job were together.
I was fired a week early on Aug 9 - the same day Lee was arrested - because I was seen with him.
They are griping that the W2 form I have was forged!
They wrote:
"...no contemporaneous Reily co-worker mentions her at all."
That is a lie. My witness is in my book, Lee Harvey Oswald and Me, along with her photo from 1963. Also, a private detective hired by a person still alive interviewed Reily workers who remembered me, but not Lee (he was a maintenance man, I was the Vice President'ss Finance and Security Secretary, quite visible.
Their 20-year-old accusations were never updated. Besides failing to update, NOT ONE OF MY ACCUSERS EVER CONTACTED ME for information all thee years. They relied on emails that in some cases can be easily seen to have been altered.
I am 83 years old. Most of my supporters who saw my original evidence are now gone. Some of my documents have been stolen. I have suffered injuries, threats and bankruptcy. I have never asked for money for any interview.
Two of my enemieshave recently been added to Rep. Luna' committee. They want to make sure my voice is never heard.
I'm also being muzzled here on X. My information on cancer a a bioweapon, in 1963, using the SV40 Monkey Virus, wasrevealed in 1999. Powerful Big Pharma source don't want me to peak, either.
I am writing this to set the record straight with the public. Lee Harvey Oswald was framed. He was silenced forever in front of 70+ Dallas Police.
THEY WANT ME TO BE SILENCED FOREVER, TOO.
PLEASE HELP PROTECT ME.
PLEAE REPOST THIS.
I THANK GOD I AM STILL ABLE TO SPEAK.
Thank you for your time.
God bless you all.
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How does this prove the Luna Committee is bogus? Just because the committee doesn't think Baker is credible enough to give her time to testify does not make the committee bogus, whether or not you believe Baker's story.
Baker's story seems too pat to me. I'm open to the possibility that part of it may be true, but I have so many doubts about it that I have never cited it in any of my research.
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Judyth Vary Baker?
Now there's a blast from the past. Does anyone believe anything that ditz has to say?
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[...] Baker's story seems too pat to me. I'm open to the possibility that part of it may be true, but I have so many doubts about it that I have never cited it in any of my research.
The principled restraint of a serious researcher is impressive to behold.
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I am holding in reserve any sentiments on the Luna Committee, due to the prominent role of Jeff Morley.
Yes, Morley is a smart guy, and deeply knowledgable about the JFKA.
Morley is also a devout CT'er, and lately made comments that suggested he had evidence beyond reasonable doubt the CIA had waxed JFK.
So...where is the evidence?
Morley's appearance on the Tucker Carlson show, in which Morley dog-whistled "Mossad perped the JFK"' and said Israel would instruct Trump to suppress key JFK records, is entirely indefensible. The Jews control the world, ala Morley? Utterly shameful.
In an e-mail exchange I had with Morley, he said Israel was an apartheid state.
OK, so modern partisan sentiments define who is guilty in the JFKA?
The Luna Committee has been far more receptive to the "CIA did it" angle than to the "G2-KGB did it" angle.
In the end, the Luna Committee became a yawner, and lacked gravitas. It is ending with a fizzle.
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@ Benjamin Cole
Morley did a lot of JFKA research. His recent assessment of the ongoing Iran-Israel-US mess is another story.
Back to topic:
It is my understanding that Jeff Morley ignored Judyth Baker and a possible bioweapon link in the complex story of the JFKA from the start. So does James DiEugenio (who is is IMO the most knowledgeable JFKA researcher in most aspects of the JFKA).
On the other hand, Oliver Stone believes Judyth Baker. What is the difference? The three men were allowed to testify; Baker was not. There is another aspect: those men are not eyewitnesses. Judyth Baker is the last eyewitness of Oswalds clandestine operations in NOLA. Judyth Baker’s story should be read into the record, whether you believe her or not. You don't get to the bottom of things, when you select experts und witness. Or discredit witness who are willing to testify.
Use for instance AI too, to get a fair assessment. Quote GROK:
"This (Bakers bioweapon claim)fits into 1960s U.S. biological weapons research and anti-Castro plots (e.g., CIA's real attempts with poisons/pills). However, mainstream accounts attribute Castro assassination efforts to more conventional means, not this specific New Orleans cancer project. The theory gained traction in alternative media and conferences but remains fringe even among conspiracy researchers.
In short, the bioweapon angle originated in Ed Haslam's investigation of Sherman's death and was popularized (and personalized) by Baker starting in the late 1990s/early 2000s. It remains highly debated—compelling to some as a "missing link," but unproven and contested by others. Primary sources are Baker's and Haslam's books; cross-check with critical analyses for balance."
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Judyth Baker may be the only living connection between Rep. Anna Paulina Luna’s work and Tulsi Gabbard’s work — a link between the never-ending U.S. bioweapon (gain-of-function) activities, all the bloody U.S. coups around the world, and the events of November 22, 1963 on american soil ... she should testify and should be questioned and grilled by committee members ...
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I could have a bit of word playing fun with the name Luna Committee but it's just too easy.
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Another person of interest for the Luna Committee would be Tosh Plumlee.
Quote Judyth Baker on X yesterday: Judyth Vary Baker
@Judyth
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Jun 16
Thanks to God, more verification! When I told the great Jim Marrs-and later, publisher Kris Milligan- that Lee Oswald said he had joined an abort team, Kris had a hard time handling that. As he wrote in Tosh Plumlee's new book DEEP COVER, SHALLOW GRAVES: "I heard about Tosh from the intrepid Jim Marrs. I was working on Judyth Vary Baker's book, ME & Lee...and she was talking about Lee being on an "abort" team, and Jim told me he had heard about that from only one other person, Tosh.
Then, there was so much flak about Judyth's story that I didn't pursue it, and the whole idea of an abort team just seemed so far-fetched. The trauma of the assassination was still coloring my understanding."
Kris explains that Tosh was silenced for a long time.
"They"...threatened "his pension, employment... [used] character as-sas-ina-tion and general trouble. We are honored and humbled to bring this fantastic book to print." (DEEP COVER SHALLOW GRAVES, by Tosh Plumlee.)
On p 7 Tosh describes his secret life with the same CIA people Lee Oswald worked with or knew about. More than that, they met a number of times as they were being trained, as well as later. Tosh Plumlee was one o the easy names to remember because the name "Lee" is in it. I used mnemonics to remember all the names I encountered, especially in 1963.
I am one of the few living witnesses who knew Lee Oswald personally, and I am fighting to get the truth to Rep. Luna! At least two people on her committee don't want me to testify. Close quote. Plumlee and Baker should testify ...
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I find it amazing that anyone still believes Judyth Vary Baker is the least bit credible. This is the ditz who said she planned to meet her lover Lee Harvey Oswald in Cancun. The only problem with that story is that in 1963, Cancun was a plantation with only a handful of people living there. It did not become a tourist hotspot until the 1970s.
The witness is dismissed.
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So does James DiEugenio (who is is IMO the most knowledgeable JFKA researcher in most aspects of the JFKA).
James (A knew B + B knew C = C knew A) DiEugenio (https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/scratch.gif)
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With respect to who should be talking to the Luna Committee, you guys continue kicking around the same old names. Those wells are dry. The best way to go is exploring an untapped information source that is close to some of these main players. I would be interested in hearing what "The Forum's Own", (1) Steve Barber and (2) Alex Harris aka "The JFK Theorist" have to say. Both have been around many of the JFK Assassination sources that have already been questioned ad infinitum. These "flies on the wall" are untapped sources of legit information regarding the JFK Assassination. Either or both could hold "Rosetta Stone" information and Not know it.
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With such a committee, everybody should have a voice — whether to shed light on the case or to discredit themselves.
@Duncan
Re. DiEugenio — I said “most aspects” of the JFKA. His main flaw is that he has not written a book review of Armstrong’s "Harvey and Lee" and "Me and Le" — two books that contradict each other. (And he won’t say why. Ask him. He has no sound answer.)BTW: The book "Lee: A Portrait of Lee Harvey Oswald by his brother, Robert L. Oswald, with Myrick Land (1967)" is the final nail in the coffin for Armstrong’s Harvey and Lee thesis. As far as I know, no book has yet killed Baker’s book.
KK
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The principled restraint of a serious researcher is impressive to behold.
Major LOL on this one Mark :)
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As far as I know, no book has yet killed Baker’s book.
You're joking, right? Walt Brown absolutely destroyed Baker's nonsense years ago:
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@Tommy Shanks. I know.
DiEugenio sent Walt Brown into the arena to write this sloppy hit-piece of a book ("Judyth in Her Own Words"). Walt Brown himself is an aggressive agnostic. Despite “50 years of JFK research” (Walt Brown in his own words!), his conclusion is still just “Oswald was a patsy.” When you ask him to name a guilty party, he has no answer. The man is all hot air.