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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Tom Graves on April 27, 2026, 04:49:14 AM
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One can only wonder whether or not Dale K. Myers graduated from the Gary Aguilar, or perhaps the Vince Lombardi, School of Charm.
Regardless, has the old deejay, Myers, learned yet that Brian Roselle and Kenneth Scearce showed in 2020 that Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot was not at Myer's beloved Z-160, but at hypothetical Z-124 -- half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133 -- and that, as Roselle has graphically shown more recently, the first of two involuntary pauses in Elsie Dorman's filming of the assassination occurred at the aforementioned "Z-124"?
(Her second involuntary pause "just happened to occur" around Z-222, i.e., at the time of the "Single Bullet" shot.)
Myers' lame 2008 diatribe against Max Holland and Kenneth Scearce:
https://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2008/12/cherry-picking-evidence-of-first-shot.html
Herb Huskr's very recent "Carcano Sound Intensity and Startle" video presentation:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/553546571932211/user/100003268844965
Note: Back in 2008, Max Holland and Kenneth Scearce thought Oswald's first shot was at hypothetical Z-107. Scearce and his research colleague, Brian Roselle, now think it was about a second later, at hypothetical Z-124.
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Vince Lombardi?
Vince Lombardi?
"Winning isn't everything. It's the only thing."
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Vince Lombardi?
Vince Lombardi?
"Winning isn't everything. It's the only thing."
I was being sarcastic.
Stare decisis
Re ipsa loquitor
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Yeah, I get it.
I am amazed anyone today remembers Vince Lombardi, or mentions him as a point of reference.
"Nice guys finish last."
Or, as Rodney Dangerfield said, "I am not a nice guy, and I still finish last."
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Yeah, I get it.
I am amazed anyone today remembers Vince Lombardi, or mentions him as a point of reference.
"Nice guys finish last."
Or, as Rodney Dangerfield said, "I am not a nice guy, and I still finish last."
You should watch Herb Husker's new video presentation in which he's synched the Dorman clip, the Zapruder clip, and a Secret Service reenactment clip and overlain them with gunshot sounds in three different three-shot scenarios.
Heck, you might even be able to figure out the timing of the flash-bang in the bushes!
Click on "Carcano Sound Intensity and Startle" and scroll down to the video links.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/553546571932211/user/100003268844965
Note: Dorman was so startled by the first two gunshots that she inadvertently stopped filming for a couple of seconds at those two points. That's why you see the black "gaps" in the video.
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That video is unavailable.
I wonder how a slug, or part of a slug, entered the rear-lower part of JFK's skull, the departed through the right upper side of JFK's skull, and then struck the curb at Tague's feet. Given that Tague was on JFK's left, at a slightly lower elevation. This does not hold water.
So...WC version: One slug ended up in JBC's leg, CE-399. One slug hit JFK's skull, and this slug or fragments thereof are very unlikely to have split off and hit the curb by Tague.
So the Tague shot came from where? If from LHO, then he wildly missed the limo.
A non-jacketed slug would have most likely been fired by a handgun. The FBI found only lead in the bullet strike mark by Tague.
What would Carnac the Magnificent say?
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That video is unavailable.
I wonder how a slug, or part of a slug, entered the rear-lower part of JFK's skull, the departed through the right upper side of JFK's skull, and then struck the curb at Tague's feet. Given that Tague was on JFK's left, at a slightly lower elevation. This does not hold water.
So...WC version: One slug ended up in JBC's leg, CE-399. One slug hit JFK's skull, and this slug or fragments thereof are very unlikely to have split off and hit the curb by Tague.
So the Tague shot came from where? If from LHO, then he wildly missed the limo.
A non-jacketed slug would have most likely been fired by a handgun. The FBI found only lead in the bullet strike mark by Tague.
What would Carnac the Magnificent say?
If you ask Huskr to be your FB "friend," he'll probably say "yes," and then you'll be able to watch his very convincing video montage and read about his Tague / Z-313 / concrete curb fragment theory, too!
Either that, or join the moderated FB page / group, "JFK Truth Be Told."
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My euphoria is unchecked.
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Tom you keep talking about a hypothetical Z-124 frame.
A hypothetical imagining of what actually happened on Elm st after Zapruder stopped filming prior to starting again at Z-133
I am not a big fan of hypothetical imaginings.
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Tom you keep talking about a hypothetical Z-124 frame.
A hypothetical imagining of what actually happened on Elm St after Zapruder stopped filming prior to starting again at Z-133.
I am not a big fan of hypothetical imaginings.
1) Funny, I'm not a big fan of people who utter or write redundancies like "hypothetical imaginings."
2) Regardless, do you think it's absolutely impossible that the first shot was fired right before Zapruder resumed filming, i.e., when the limo was already about 70 feet down Elm Street?
3) The quick, nearly simultaneous non-startle head turnings of JFK, Jackie, Connally, Nellie, and Kellerman between Z-140 and Z-149 suggests that it actually did happen, and since it probably took them about a second to start to consciously turn their heads, it means that the shot (or firecracker, or blowout, or Harley backfire if you prefer) they heard was at or very near hypothetical (HYPOTHETICAL BECAUSE ZAPRUDER WASN'T FILMING AT THE TIME) "Z-124."
4) I'm afraid you have Abraham Zapruder and the lead group of motorcycle policemen to blame for your predicament, Robin, because if they hadn't been so doggone far ahead of the limo and/or if Zapruder hadn't turned his camera on when he saw them turning onto Elm Street, he wouldn't have had to stop filming when he realized that the limo wasn't right behind them . . . and then resume filming 17 seconds later when he finally saw the limo, already 70 feet down Elm Street, coming straight towards him.
Hypothetically straight towards him, anyway.
Imagine that!
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My euphoria is unchecked.
In that case, your ignorance is unbounded.
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1) Funny, I'm not a big fan of people who utter or write redundancies like "hypothetical imaginings."
2) Regardless, do you think it's absolutely impossible that the first shot was fired right before Zapruder resumed filming, i.e., when the limo was already about 70 feet down Elm Street?
3) The quick, nearly simultaneous non-startle head turnings of JFK, Jackie, Connally, Nellie, and Kellerman between Z-140 and Z-149 suggests that it actually did happen, and since it probably took them about a second to start to consciously turn their heads, it means that the shot (or firecracker, or blowout, or Harley backfire if you prefer) they heard was at or very near hypothetical (HYPOTHETICAL BECAUSE ZAPRUDER WASN'T FILMING AT THE TIME) "Z-124."
4) I'm afraid you have Abraham Zapruder and the lead group of motorcycle policemen to blame for your predicament, Robin, because if they hadn't been so doggone far ahead of the limo and/or if Zapruder hadn't turned his camera on when he saw them turning onto Elm Street, he wouldn't have had to stop filming when he realized that the limo wasn't right behind them . . . and then resume filming 17 seconds later when he finally saw the limo, already 70 feet down Elm Street, coming straight towards him.
Hypothetically straight towards him, anyway.
Imagine that!
3) The quick, nearly simultaneous non-startle head turnings of JFK, Jackie, Connally, Nellie, and Kellerman between Z-140 and Z-149 suggests that it actually did happen, and since it probably took them about a second to start to consciously turn their heads, it means that the shot (or firecracker, or blowout, or Harley backfire if you prefer) they heard was at or very near hypothetical (HYPOTHETICAL BECAUSE ZAPRUDER WASN'T FILMING AT THE TIME) "Z-124."
(https://i.postimg.cc/h4ZnNqkk/Zap2.gif)
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One can only wonder whether or not Dale K. Myers graduated from the Gary Aguilar, or perhaps the Vince Lombardi, School of Charm.
Regardless, has the old deejay, Myers, learned yet that Brian Roselle and Kenneth Scearce showed in 2020 that Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot was not at Myer's beloved Z-160, but at hypothetical Z-124 -- half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133 -- and that, as Roselle has graphically shown more recently, the first of two involuntary pauses in Elsie Dorman's filming of the assassination occurred at the aforementioned "Z-124"?
(Her second involuntary pause "just happened to occur" around Z-222, i.e., at the time of the "Single Bullet" shot.)
Myers' lame 2008 diatribe against Max Holland and Kenneth Scearce:
https://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2008/12/cherry-picking-evidence-of-first-shot.html
Herb Huskr's very recent "Carcano Sound Intensity and Startle" video presentation:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/553546571932211/user/100003268844965
Note: Back in 2008, Max Holland and Kenneth Scearce thought Oswald's first shot was at hypothetical Z-107. Scearce and his research colleague, Brian Roselle, now think it was about a second later, at hypothetical Z-124.
I am far more impressed by Dale Myers thorough 3-D analysis than I am of Roselle and Scearce's unproven theory which to the best of my knowledge has never been peer reviewed. Until that is done, it has the same validity as my theory that the shot was fired at Z148 causing Zapruder to flinch at Z155. I do believe the first shot was a little earlier than Myers has proposed because I don't think JBC would have reacted to it by Z164.