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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: John Mytton on April 18, 2026, 05:23:44 AM
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Oswald's strange behaviour.
Oswald was first seen by Linnie Mae Randle walking straight to Buell's car and placing a package made of a "heavy type of wrapping paper" on the back seat of Frazier's car. This is incriminating for a start, why would Oswald go straight to Frazier's car and hide the package, if it was just his lunch and as he said he kept it with him in the front seat on the way to the Depository, he would simply hold his light lunch as he waited for Frazier.
And besides it's rude to access someone's property without them being there or without permission, Frazier was doing Oswald a favour, a favour which Oswald didn't even contribute a single penny for the gas used. What a scumbag!
Mr. BALL - I see. Did he pay for any part of the trip, buy your gasoline?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; he didn't.
(https://i.postimg.cc/c4QqXyHC/osw-ald-walks-to-frazier-car.gif)
And as for the ridiculous notion that Randle couldn't see Oswald from her elevated position because of the garage wall, well that's just absurd because the garage wall was made of slats with open areas, so if anybody wants to believe that Randle couldn't see through open air then you're to far gone to reason with.
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Mr. BALL. He put the package in the car.
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir; I don't know if he put it on the seat or on the floor but I just know he put it in the back.
Frazier corroborates Randle's recollection when he saw the what was obviously an unwieldly package on the back seat of his car.
Mr. FRAZIER - Let's see, when I got in the car I have a kind of habit of glancing over my shoulder and so at that time I noticed there was a package laying on the back seat, I didn't pay too much attention and I said, "What's the package, Lee?"
And he said, "Curtain rods," and I said, "Oh, yes, you told me you was going to bring some today."
That is the reason, the main reason he was going over there that Thursday afternoon when he was to bring back some curtain rods, so I didn't think any more about it when he told me that.
Oswald's lies
As we see above, Frazier saw the package on the back seat. But according to Fritz, Oswald had the package with him in the front seat, so who to believe, Frazier or the double murderer Oswald??
Mr. FRITZ. I asked him where he had the sack---his lunch, and he said he had it in the front seat with him.
Mr. BALL. Did you ask him if he put any sack in the back seat?
Mr. FRITZ. He said he did not.
Mr. BALL. What did you tell him?
Mr. FRITZ. I told him he had a package and put it in the back seat and it was a package about that long and it was curtain rods. He said he didn't have any kind of a package but his lunch. He said he had his lunch and that is all he had, and Mr. Frazier told me that he got out of the car with that package, he saw him go toward the building with this long package.
I asked him, I said, "Did you go toward the building carrying a long package?"
He said, "No. I didn't carry anything but my lunch."
And this was corroborated by the Postal Inspector, who had nothing to do with the Dallas Police and if you believe that they both got together to make up stories then as I said, you are too far gone to reason with!
Mr. HOLMES.
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"You didn't put it over in the back seat?"
"No." He said he wouldn't have done that.
"Well, someone said the fellow that hauled you said you had a long package which you said was curtain rods you were taking to somebody at work and you laid it over on the back seat."
He said, "Well, they was just mistaken. That must have been some other time he picked me up."
That is all he said about it.
Then the contents of the bag was raised, Frazier said Oswald told him it was curtain rods, but Fritz said Oswald told him he had his lunch. Again who to believe Frazier or the double murderer Oswald??
Mr. BALL. What did you tell him?
Mr. FRITZ.
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I asked him, I said, "Did you go toward the building carrying a long package?"
He said, "No. I didn't carry anything but my lunch."
Corroborated by Holmes!
Mr. HOLMES. Asked him if he brought a sack out when he got in the car with this young fellow that hauled him and he said, "Yes."
"What was in the sack?"
"Well, my lunch."
Frazier recalls that Oswald always brought his lunch in a little paper sack, except for the 22nd. The day Oswald assassinated the President!
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir. When he rode with me, I say he always brought lunch except that one day on November 22 he didn't bring his lunch that day.
Mr. BALL - But every other day he brought a lunch?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right, when he rode with me.
Mr. BALL - Would he bring it in a paper sack or what kind of a container?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; like a little paper sack you get out of a grocery store, you have seen these little old sacks that you could buy, sandwich bag, sack.
Conclusion
Oswald didn't want to stand around holding his packaged rifle so immediately accessed Frazier's car to hide it.
Oswald lied about where he stashed his rifle on the back seat of Frazier's car.
Oswald lied about having his lunch with him on the front seat.
Oswald lied about Curtain rods.
Oswald lied about his lunch.
Whenever the rifle or it's packaging came up during the interrogation, Oswald lied! He also lied about ordering, purchasing and possessing the rifle, he lied about living at Neely street(the location of the backyard photos) and he lied about the backyard photos.
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JohnM
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All good points, John M.!
Allow me to add my two-cents' worth: :)
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Oswald's strange behaviour.
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JohnM
One thing I just noticed that I hadn't before in this photo is how shiny Oswald's shoes are. He apparently was trying to impress somebody with the photo. One thing he would have learned in the Marines is how to do a proper shoeshine. No way to pass inspection without that.
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One thing I just noticed that I hadn't before in this photo is how shiny Oswald's shoes are. He apparently was trying to impress somebody with the photo. One thing he would have learned in the Marines is how to do a proper shoeshine. No way to pass inspection without that.
Nutters will try every angle.
:D There might be a comb in his pocket, better check it for prints
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Nutters will try every angle.
:D There might be a comb in his pocket, better check it for prints
There was no attempt by me to offer this observation as evidence of Oswald's guilt. You seem preprogrammed to find issue with everything a LN posts.
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There was no attempt by me to offer this observation as evidence of Oswald's guilt.
Neither was I.
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Oswald placed the package on the backseat of Fraziers car. That’s not “hiding” the package
If he had put the package in the trunk , maybe, but placing it on the back seat in plain view is not hiding.
Now I could easily believe that a self avowed Marxist whom was a traitor to his country after taking vows as a USMC soldier and defected to the USSR could be a liar.
However whatever was stated by Oswald in private interviews which were not camera recorded or voice recorded and without attorney present, is subject to reasonable doubt.
I agree with JohnMs main premise that Oswald’s actions are “strange” but I’m not sure that constitutes a conclusion of guilt for shooting Tippit or indicative of preplanned assassination of JFK.
One example of “strange “ behavior that is counter to what one would expect of a guy carrying a rifle is that Oswald did not immediately take the package out of Fraziers car and start walking to the TSBD. According to Fraziers WC testimony , Oswald waited by a fence with the package in hand for several minutes while Frazier ran the engine of his car apparently because his battery was weak or his alternator wasn’t charging the battery enough.
The only other examples which MIGHT be interpreted as evidence of lies are the 2 the camera recordings of Oswald:
A. When asked in the hallway the specific question “Did you shoot the President”? Oswald’s answer was “I didn’t shoot anybody” which indicates possibly a subconscious presumption he’s being asked about shooting Tippit also.
B. At the midnight conference, when asked again “Did you shoot the President? Oswald’s initial answer was “Nobody has charged me with that yet” and “ I really don’t know what this is all about”, after which statements Oswald must have recalled his earlier hallway answer , and corrected himself by saying “The first I heard of it was when I was asked by a reporter”.
So Oswald trying to pretend : “I don’t know what this is all about “ realized too late that he DID know what it’s all about because he just earlier had answered that he hadn’t shot ANYBODY. And he also had stated that “they”were taking him in because he had lived in the USSR and that he was just a patsy.
Since many CTs , (myself included 🙄 ) were all too willing to believe FBI agent Hosty note that Oswald had gone outside to watch the P.Parade, then it might be evidence that Oswald lied since the “Prayerman” figure has been reasonably concluded NOT to be Oswald.
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I don't believe anything Oswald said and nothing he said is the basis of my firm conviction that he was a double murderer.
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Mr. BALL - Did you usually walk up there together.
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; we did.
Mr. BALL - Is this the first time that he had ever walked ahead of you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir...
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Mr. BALL - Did you usually walk up there together.
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; we did.
Mr. BALL - Is this the first time that he had ever walked ahead of you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir...
Means nothing. Frazier chose to stay behind
Mr. BALL - You didn't get out immediately then?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I was sitting there, say, looked at my watch and somewhere around 7 or 8 minutes until and I saw we had a few minutes and I sat there, and as I say you can see the Freeway, Stemmons Freeway, from the warehouse and also the trains coming back and forth and I was sitting there.
What I was doing--glanced up and watching cars for a minute but I was letting my engine run and getting to charge up my battery, because when you stop and start you have to charge up your battery.
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Mr. BALL - Did you usually walk up there together.
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; we did.
Mr. BALL - Is this the first time that he had ever walked ahead of you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir...
Means nothing. Frazier chose to stay behind
Mr. BALL - You didn't get out immediately then?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I was sitting there, say, looked at my watch and somewhere around 7 or 8 minutes until and I saw we had a few minutes and I sat there, and as I say you can see the Freeway, Stemmons Freeway, from the warehouse and also the trains coming back and forth and I was sitting there.
What I was doing--glanced up and watching cars for a minute but I was letting my engine run and getting to charge up my battery, because when you stop and start you have to charge up your battery.
Oops!
When we started walking, Lee was just a few feet ahead of me, but he kept walking faster than me, and finally got way ahead of me.
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JohnM
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Oswald placed the package on the backseat of Fraziers car. That’s not “hiding” the package
If he had put the package in the trunk , maybe, but placing it on the back seat in plain view is not hiding.
Now I could easily believe that a self avowed Marxist whom was a traitor to his country after taking vows as a USMC soldier and defected to the USSR could be a liar.
However whatever was stated by Oswald in private interviews which were not camera recorded or voice recorded and without attorney present, is subject to reasonable doubt.
I agree with JohnMs main premise that Oswald’s actions are “strange” but I’m not sure that constitutes a conclusion of guilt for shooting Tippit or indicative of preplanned assassination of JFK.
One example of “strange “ behavior that is counter to what one would expect of a guy carrying a rifle is that Oswald did not immediately take the package out of Fraziers car and start walking to the TSBD. According to Fraziers WC testimony , Oswald waited by a fence with the package in hand for several minutes while Frazier ran the engine of his car apparently because his battery was weak or his alternator wasn’t charging the battery enough.
The only other examples which MIGHT be interpreted as evidence of lies are the 2 the camera recordings of Oswald:
A. When asked in the hallway the specific question “Did you shoot the President”? Oswald’s answer was “I didn’t shoot anybody” which indicates possibly a subconscious presumption he’s being asked about shooting Tippit also.
B. At the midnight conference, when asked again “Did you shoot the President? Oswald’s initial answer was “Nobody has charged me with that yet” and “ I really don’t know what this is all about”, after which statements Oswald must have recalled his earlier hallway answer , and corrected himself by saying “The first I heard of it was when I was asked by a reporter”.
So Oswald trying to pretend : “I don’t know what this is all about “ realized too late that he DID know what it’s all about because he just earlier had answered that he hadn’t shot ANYBODY. And he also had stated that “they”were taking him in because he had lived in the USSR and that he was just a patsy.
Since many CTs , (myself included 🙄 ) were all too willing to believe FBI agent Hosty note that Oswald had gone outside to watch the P.Parade, then it might be evidence that Oswald lied since the “Prayerman” figure has been reasonably concluded NOT to be Oswald.
Oswald placed the package on the backseat of Fraziers car. That’s not “hiding” the package
If he had put the package in the trunk , maybe, but placing it on the back seat in plain view is not hiding.
Thanks Zeon, by Oswald's immediate actions, he clearly didn't want to be standing around holding his very conspicuous large brown paper package, so hid it away in Frazier's car. He already explained to Frazier the previous day that the package contained Curtain Rods so he didn't need to hide it from Frazier specifically but who knows how many witnesses may have seen him waiting for Frazier, like neighbours, Linnie Mae, anyone! He was trying to keep as many eyes off the package as reasonably possible. Obviously the problem was trying to get the package into the building, do it first thing in the morning?, go back a little later?
Oswald ended up getting it done as soon as possible and by his decision to quickly move into the TSBD at a pace far greater than Frazier, indicates he meant business!
In Frazier's testimony, Oswald waited at the relative safe cyclone fence till Frazier got out of the car, and I wonder what was going through Oswald's mind?
Should Oswald appear to be inconspicuous and wait for Frazier and keep their standard procedure and walk together?
Should Oswald just walk off quickly and risk it?
Should Oswald put the rifle package back in the car and get it later?
Was he scouting the area and waiting for as few people as possible to be outside?
As I said it's impossible to know what the psychotic Oswald was thinking and why he did what he did, but one thing is extremely clear, when the opportunity arose he got into the building as quick as he could!
When we started walking, Lee was just a few feet ahead of me, but he kept waking faster than me, and finally got way ahead of me.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/frazierb4.htm
JohnM
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Oops!
When we started walking, Lee was just a few feet ahead of me, but he kept walking faster than me, and finally got way ahead of me.
JohnM
so what? Frazier stayed behind. Did you win something?
::) have a lollipop!
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The HSCA was a group of smart and skeptical people, and they concluded LHO owned the M-C rife (technically a carbine) in question.
It sure looks like LHO carried a suspicious bundle into the TSBD6 on 11.22, and then slender light-skinned male was seen (by Howard Brennan) firing three shots from the TSBD6 sniper window in the direction of the limo, while gunfire rang out.
Three loud shots were heard inside the TSBD during the JFKA, three shells found in the TSBD6 sniper window.
Not one eyewitness said they saw LHO while shots rang out. LHO was invisible. The Prayer-woman image is risible.
I would lay heavy odds LHO was the TSBD6 sniper.
But, IMHO, LHO could not have perped the GK smoke-and-bang-show, nor fired rounds that struck Gov. JBC ~Z-295 and JFK at Z-313.
US State Dep't employees, including the Ambassador to Mexico, lost their jobs for merely wanting to pursue LHO-Cuba leads.
LHO met with three KGB officers in MC. On a Saturday! LHO may have met G2 ops in New Orleans (says Gus Russo). Alpha 66 had a house on Harlandale in Dallas, where a lone eyewitness placed LHO. Alpha 66 was penetrated by G2.
LHO may have been induced by money, or promise of flight to Cuba, to participate in the JFKA.
Remember...why did President LBJ direct the WC to conclude with the LN narrative?
LBJ, with a lot of good reasons, wanted to avoid a nuke war with Russia.
Also, there just was not much JFKAC there. A small plot, with no oversight or participation by institutions...left no trails to follow, once LHO was dead.
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The HSCA was a group of smart and skeptical people, and they concluded LHO owned the M-C rife (technically a carbine) in question.
They were congressmen. Do you think we send our best and brightest people to Congress? As for skeptical, they weren't the least bit skeptical about the acoustic evidence on which they based their erroneous conclusion of a fourth shot and a second shooter.
It sure looks like LHO carried a suspicious bundle into the TSBD6 on 11.22, and then slender light-skinned male was seen (by Howard Brennan) firing three shots from the TSBD6 sniper window in the direction of the limo, while gunfire rang out.
I believe Brennan only located Oswald in time to see the final shot. He would have had no reason to be looking in that direction when the first shot was fired.
Three loud shots were heard inside the TSBD during the JFKA, three shells found in the TSBD6 sniper window.
Not one eyewitness said they saw LHO while shots rang out. LHO was invisible. The Prayer-woman image is risible.
Brennan is one eyewitness and he saw Oswald fire the third shot.
I would lay heavy odds LHO was the TSBD6 sniper.
I would put it at 100%
But, IMHO, LHO could not have perped the GK smoke-and-bang-show, nor fired rounds that struck Gov. JBC ~Z-295 and JFK at Z-313.
Nobody fired a shot from the GK. There's no forensic evidence. There is no eyewitness who saw a shooter.
US State Dep't employees, including the Ambassador to Mexico, lost their jobs for merely wanting to pursue LHO-Cuba leads.
Hadn't heard that one. Do you have a source for it.
LHO met with three KGB officers in MC. On a Saturday! LHO may have met G2 ops in New Orleans (says Gus Russo). Alpha 66 had a house on Harlandale in Dallas, where a lone eyewitness placed LHO. Alpha 66 was penetrated by G2.
Sounds a lot like they embellished stories I've read about for years.
LHO may have been induced by money, or promise of flight to Cuba, to participate in the JFKA.
How would anybody in MC have known at the time that Oswald would be working in a building overlooking a motorcade route that hadn't even been planned yet. Nobody even knew there was going to be a motorcade. Why would anybody in MC have any interest in working with Oswald?
Remember...why did President LBJ direct the WC to conclude with the LN narrative?
Why are you making things up?
LBJ, with a lot of good reasons, wanted to avoid a nuke war with Russia.
Also, there just was not much JFKAC there. A small plot, with no oversight or participation by institutions...left no trails to follow, once LHO was dead.
So would Oswald being a lone assassin.
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The HSCA may have not been perfect, but they were staffed up, and Robert Blakey was reasonable and intelligent man (with whom I have traded e-mails).
The actual House Representatives on the HSCA did not seem to add much, although most had law degrees and what not, and were likely a relatively intelligent group. (I am the first to assent that public office-holder quality has declined in the last 40 years).
As for the acoustics evidence, I never could make head nor tails of any of it.
I can see the Z-film, frame by frame, and make my own layman's analysis.
The acoustics stuff----click sounds on a tape?
Some experts say they are important and others say they are not important.
I have no idea.
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The HSCA may have not been perfect, but they were staffed up, and Robert Blakey was reasonable and intelligent man (with whom I have traded e-mails).
I'm sure Robert Blakey was intelligent and just as sure he got duped.
The actual House Representatives on the HSCA did not seem to add much, although most had law degrees and what not, and were likely a relatively intelligent group. (I am the first to assent that public office-holder quality has declined in the last 40 years).
I don't know that it has ever been top drawer. I think ambition more than intelligence directs people to seek public office.
As for the acoustics evidence, I never could make head nor tails of any of it.
It was never scrutinized and didn't survive peer review. I think it was Steve Barber who noticed the crosstalk from the other channel and concluded the recording was made after the assassination.
I can see the Z-film, frame by frame, and make my own layman's analysis.
The acoustics stuff----click sounds on a tape?
Some experts say they are important and others say they are not important.
I have no idea.
I do. The supposed acoustics evidence is not a recording of the shooting. It has been dunked every which way. Dale Myers proved through film and still photos that the motorcycle that was believed to have had the stuck open transmitter was not where the acoustics team said it had to be for their findings to be valid. It was junk science dumped on the HSCA at the 11rh hour that was never given the scrutiny it should have been given it was the primary basis for the HSCA's conclusion of a fourth shot, a second gunman, and a conspiracy.