Oswald's strange behaviour and lies regarding the long brown paper rifle bag.

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Online John Mytton

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Oswald's strange behaviour.

Oswald was first seen by Linnie Mae Randle walking straight to Buell's car and placing a package made of a "heavy type of wrapping paper" on the back seat of Frazier's car. This is incriminating for a start, why would Oswald go straight to Frazier's car and hide the package, if it was just his lunch and as he said he kept it with him in the front seat on the way to the Depository, he would simply hold his light lunch as he waited for Frazier.
And besides it's rude to access someone's property without them being there or without permission, Frazier was doing Oswald a favour, a favour which Oswald didn't even contribute a single penny for the gas used. What a scumbag!

Mr. BALL - I see. Did he pay for any part of the trip, buy your gasoline?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; he didn't.




And as for the ridiculous notion that Randle couldn't see Oswald from her elevated position because of the garage wall, well that's just absurd because the garage wall was made of slats with open areas, so if anybody wants to believe that Randle couldn't see through open air then you're to far gone to reason with.



Mr. BALL. He put the package in the car.
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir; I don't know if he put it on the seat or on the floor but I just know he put it in the back.


Frazier corroborates Randle's recollection when he saw the what was obviously an unwieldly package on the back seat of his car.

Mr. FRAZIER - Let's see, when I got in the car I have a kind of habit of glancing over my shoulder and so at that time I noticed there was a package laying on the back seat, I didn't pay too much attention and I said, "What's the package, Lee?"
And he said, "Curtain rods," and I said, "Oh, yes, you told me you was going to bring some today."
That is the reason, the main reason he was going over there that Thursday afternoon when he was to bring back some curtain rods, so I didn't think any more about it when he told me that.


Oswald's lies

As we see above, Frazier saw the package on the back seat. But according to Fritz, Oswald had the package with him in the front seat, so who to believe, Frazier or the double murderer Oswald??

Mr. FRITZ. I asked him where he had the sack---his lunch, and he said he had it in the front seat with him.
Mr. BALL. Did you ask him if he put any sack in the back seat?
Mr. FRITZ. He said he did not.


Mr. BALL. What did you tell him?
Mr. FRITZ. I told him he had a package and put it in the back seat and it was a package about that long and it was curtain rods. He said he didn't have any kind of a package but his lunch. He said he had his lunch and that is all he had, and Mr. Frazier told me that he got out of the car with that package, he saw him go toward the building with this long package.
I asked him, I said, "Did you go toward the building carrying a long package?"
He said, "No. I didn't carry anything but my lunch."


And this was corroborated by the Postal Inspector, who had nothing to do with the Dallas Police and if you believe that they both got together to make up stories then as I said, you are too far gone to reason with!

Mr. HOLMES.
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"You didn't put it over in the back seat?"
"No." He said he wouldn't have done that.
"Well, someone said the fellow that hauled you said you had a long package which you said was curtain rods you were taking to somebody at work and you laid it over on the back seat."
He said, "Well, they was just mistaken. That must have been some other time he picked me up."
That is all he said about it.


Then the contents of the bag was raised, Frazier said Oswald told him it was curtain rods, but Fritz said Oswald told him he had his lunch. Again who to believe Frazier or the double murderer Oswald??

Mr. BALL. What did you tell him?
Mr. FRITZ.
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I asked him, I said, "Did you go toward the building carrying a long package?"
He said, "No. I didn't carry anything but my lunch."


Corroborated by Holmes!

Mr. HOLMES. Asked him if he brought a sack out when he got in the car with this young fellow that hauled him and he said, "Yes."
"What was in the sack?"
"Well, my lunch."


Frazier recalls that Oswald always brought his lunch in a little paper sack, except for the 22nd. The day Oswald assassinated the President!

Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir. When he rode with me, I say he always brought lunch except that one day on November 22 he didn't bring his lunch that day.
Mr. BALL - But every other day he brought a lunch?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right, when he rode with me.
Mr. BALL - Would he bring it in a paper sack or what kind of a container?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; like a little paper sack you get out of a grocery store, you have seen these little old sacks that you could buy, sandwich bag, sack.


Conclusion

Oswald didn't want to stand around holding his packaged rifle so immediately accessed Frazier's car to hide it.
Oswald lied about where he stashed his rifle on the back seat of Frazier's car.
Oswald lied about having his lunch with him on the front seat.
Oswald lied about Curtain rods.
Oswald lied about his lunch.

Whenever the rifle or it's packaging came up during the interrogation, Oswald lied! He also lied about ordering, purchasing and possessing the rifle, he lied about living at Neely street(the location of the backyard photos) and he lied about the backyard photos.





JohnM
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Online David Von Pein

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All good points, John M.!

Allow me to add my two-cents' worth:  :)
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Online John Corbett

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Oswald's strange behaviour.



JohnM

One thing I just noticed that I hadn't before in this photo is how shiny Oswald's shoes are. He apparently was trying to impress somebody with the photo. One thing he would have learned in the Marines is how to do a proper shoeshine. No way to pass inspection without that.

Offline Michael Capasse

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One thing I just noticed that I hadn't before in this photo is how shiny Oswald's shoes are. He apparently was trying to impress somebody with the photo. One thing he would have learned in the Marines is how to do a proper shoeshine. No way to pass inspection without that.

Nutters will try every angle.
 :D There might be a comb in his pocket, better check it for prints
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Nutters will try every angle.
 :D There might be a comb in his pocket, better check it for prints

There was no attempt by me to offer this observation as evidence of Oswald's guilt. You seem preprogrammed to find issue with everything a LN posts.

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There was no attempt by me to offer this observation as evidence of Oswald's guilt.

Neither was  I.

Offline Zeon Mason

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Oswald placed the package on the backseat of Fraziers car. That’s not “hiding” the package

If he had put the package in the trunk , maybe, but placing it on the back seat in plain view is not hiding.

Now I could easily believe   that a self avowed Marxist whom was a traitor to his country after taking vows as a USMC soldier and defected to the USSR could be a liar.

However whatever was stated by Oswald in private interviews which were not camera recorded or voice recorded and without attorney present, is subject to reasonable doubt.

I agree with JohnMs main premise  that Oswald’s actions are “strange” but I’m not sure that constitutes a conclusion of guilt for shooting Tippit or indicative of preplanned assassination of JFK.

One example of “strange “ behavior that is counter to what one would expect of a guy carrying a rifle is that Oswald did not immediately take the package out of Fraziers car and start walking to the TSBD. According to  Fraziers WC testimony , Oswald waited  by a fence with the package in hand for several minutes while Frazier ran the engine of his car apparently because his battery was weak or his alternator wasn’t charging the battery enough.

The only other examples  which MIGHT be interpreted as evidence of lies  are the 2 the camera recordings of Oswald:

A. When asked in the hallway the specific question “Did you shoot the President”? Oswald’s answer was “I didn’t shoot anybody” which indicates possibly a subconscious presumption he’s being asked about shooting Tippit also.

B. At the midnight conference, when asked again “Did you shoot the President? Oswald’s initial answer was “Nobody has charged me with that yet”  and “ I really don’t know what this is all about”, after which statements Oswald must have recalled his  earlier hallway answer , and corrected himself by saying “The first I heard of it was when I was asked by a reporter”.

 So Oswald trying to pretend : “I don’t  know what this is  all about “ realized too late that he DID know what it’s all about because he just earlier had answered that he hadn’t shot ANYBODY. And he also had stated that “they”were taking him in because  he had lived in the USSR and that he was just a patsy.

Since many CTs , (myself included 🙄 ) were all too willing to believe FBI agent Hosty note that  Oswald had gone outside to watch the P.Parade, then it might be evidence that Oswald  lied since the “Prayerman” figure has been reasonably concluded NOT to be Oswald.