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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Gerry Down on December 27, 2025, 02:47:53 PM
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Dino Brugioni claimed that he had seen a different version of the Zapruder film which included a large red mist over JFKs head, which lasted 2 to 3 frames, at the time of the fatal head shot. The Zapruder film as it stands only shows a red mist for 1 frame which is frame 313. Brugioni claimed that the version of the Zapruder film we have now shows a much shorter headshot sequence than the version he saw.
However Abraham Zapruder disproves such a claim. When Zapruder sold the rights of the Zapruder film to LIFE magazine, he stipulated that frame 313 must never be published, a stipulation that LIFE honored. The fact that Zapruder stipulated that only 1 frame must not be published, and not 2-3 frames, is prima facia evidence that the gore of the headshot did not last longer than 1 frame.
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Dino Brugioni claimed that he had seen a different version of the Zapruder film which included a large red mist over JFKs head, which lasted 2 to 3 frames, at the time of the fatal head shot. The Zapruder film as it stands only shows a red mist for 1 frame which is frame 313. Brugioni claimed that the version of the Zapruder film we have now shows a much shorter headshot sequence than the version he saw.
However Abraham Zapruder disproves such a claim. When Zapruder sold the rights of the Zapruder film to LIFE magazine, he stipulated that frame 313 must never be published, a stipulation that LIFE honored. The fact that Zapruder stipulated that only 1 frame must not be published, and not 2-3 frames, is prima facia evidence that the gore of the headshot did not last longer than 1 frame.
That maybe makes sense although I think Zapruder was more upset about the Z-313 frame showing the head exploding open then the spray being shown. Perhaps both. And you can see some mist in Z-314. Or I do. I think the B&W version that Life showed doesn't show it.
Of course, there are conspiracists who say Zapruder was one of the conspirators.
The key observation for me by Brugioni was that the mist/spray that he recalls seeing came out of the TOP of or OVER JFK's head NOT the rear. No rear mist/explosion.
Here's Z-314 from Costella. Looks like mist/spray above JFK's head.
(https://www.drivehq.com/file/DFPublishFile.aspx/FileID13093217729/Keyjgp16jocv157/z314.png)
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Dino Brugioni claimed that he had seen a different version of the Zapruder film which included a large red mist over JFKs head, which lasted 2 to 3 frames, at the time of the fatal head shot. The Zapruder film as it stands only shows a red mist for 1 frame which is frame 313. Brugioni claimed that the version of the Zapruder film we have now shows a much shorter headshot sequence than the version he saw.
However Abraham Zapruder disproves such a claim. When Zapruder sold the rights of the Zapruder film to LIFE magazine, he stipulated that frame 313 must never be published, a stipulation that LIFE honored. The fact that Zapruder stipulated that only 1 frame must not be published, and not 2-3 frames, is prima facia evidence that the gore of the headshot did not last longer than 1 frame.
The above assumes that Zapruder and Brugioni were viewing the same film under the same conditions. Brugioni viewed the Z Film at the NPIC over the course of an entire evening/early morning. And Brugioni repeatedly examined the film "5 Ways To Sunday". He also assembled "briefing boards" using still frame images from the Z Film he turned inside-out that night. The Zapruder viewing conditions? Wham-Bam, gotta have it Now, "and remember to pay the lady/man". Also, there is a chasm between "prima facie" and "Opinion".
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Dino Brugioni claimed that he had seen a different version of the Zapruder film which included a large red mist over JFKs head, which lasted 2 to 3 frames, at the time of the fatal head shot. The Zapruder film as it stands only shows a red mist for 1 frame which is frame 313. Brugioni claimed that the version of the Zapruder film we have now shows a much shorter headshot sequence than the version he saw.
However Abraham Zapruder disproves such a claim. When Zapruder sold the rights of the Zapruder film to LIFE magazine, he stipulated that frame 313 must never be published, a stipulation that LIFE honored. The fact that Zapruder stipulated that only 1 frame must not be published, and not 2-3 frames, is prima facia evidence that the gore of the headshot did not last longer than 1 frame.
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There is mist in several frames' forwards then backwards.
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Dino Brugioni claimed that he had seen a different version of the Zapruder film which included a large red mist over JFKs head, which lasted 2 to 3 frames, at the time of the fatal head shot. The Zapruder film as it stands only shows a red mist for 1 frame which is frame 313. Brugioni claimed that the version of the Zapruder film we have now shows a much shorter headshot sequence than the version he saw.
However Abraham Zapruder disproves such a claim. When Zapruder sold the rights of the Zapruder film to LIFE magazine, he stipulated that frame 313 must never be published, a stipulation that LIFE honored. The fact that Zapruder stipulated that only 1 frame must not be published, and not 2-3 frames, is prima facia evidence that the gore of the headshot did not last longer than 1 frame.
You can see the cloud of mist expand and dissipating in the next two or three frames after z313.
It's worth pointing out that the magenta, cyan, and yellow dyes used in color film fade over time, but do not do so at the same rate. Magenta takes longer to degrade than the other two colors. As the other dyes fade, the image becomes increasingly skewed towards magenta, which has the effect of reducing the contrast between magenta (and red and pink) areas and the rest of the photo. The cloud of spray was probably more distinctive in 1963 than it was 30 years later when the Z film was digitized, which would go a long way towards explaining why Dino's recollections do match what many researchers want to expect.
Then again, in 2013, Brugioni was a 90-year old man who'd just been shown copies of film frames that he hadn't seen for 50 years. I doubt it's wise to put so much faith in the detailed reliability of such old memories.
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There is mist in several frames' forwards then backwards.
Between the car moving out from under the mist, and the wind gusts being up to 25 MPH, the mist isn't moving backwards because of a frontal shot. All spray and head matter went upward, forward and down (some of it some 25 feet in front of the limousine which were later recovered by 3 separate people-Burros, Weitzman and Harper) and the mist and lighter matter went back and down. Some of which landed on the trunk lid, Bobby Hargis, B.J. Martin and Clint Hill.
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There is mist in several frames' forwards then backwards.
The violent backward reaction of Gov Connally at about Z340 is visual verification of ASAIC Kellerman's WC description of a "flurry of shells" coming into the car.
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Between the car moving out from under the mist, and the wind gusts being up to 25 MPH, the mist isn't moving backwards because of a frontal shot. All spray and head matter went upward, forward and down (some of it some 25 feet in front of the limousine which were later recovered by 3 separate people-Burros, Weitzman and Harper) and the mist and lighter matter went back and down. Some of which landed on the trunk lid, Bobby Hargis, B.J. Martin and Clint Hill.
The direction of blood/brain matter spray aside, I have always had an issue with the continuous lack of speed displayed by the JFK Limo. ASAIC Kellerman described the JFK Limo acceleration as, "jumping out of the god damn street" following the kill shot. We see absolutely nothing remotely resembling that sudden acceleration immediately following the kill shot. SA Clint Hill was able to run the car down and then scale the trunk. And Jackie is also crawling around back there without being tossed around due to any sudden acceleration of the car. Backing up the SA Kellerman description, we do see the JFK Limo blowing past the Lead Car as both vehicles go under the Triple Underpass. The images we are seeing are consistently inconsistent.
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You can see the cloud of mist expand and dissipating in the next two or three frames after z313.
It's worth pointing out that the magenta, cyan, and yellow dyes used in color film fade over time, but do not do so at the same rate. Magenta takes longer to degrade than the other two colors. As the other dyes fade, the image becomes increasingly skewed towards magenta, which has the effect of reducing the contrast between magenta (and red and pink) areas and the rest of the photo. The cloud of spray was probably more distinctive in 1963 than it was 30 years later when the Z film was digitized, which would go a long way towards explaining why Dino's recollections do match what many researchers want to expect.
Then again, in 2013, Brugioni was a 90-year old man who'd just been shown copies of film frames that he hadn't seen for 50 years. I doubt it's wise to put so much faith in the detailed reliability of such old memories.
Zapruder and Life saw the film the week of the assassination before any dyes got a chance to fade. Despite Zapruder being paid the equivalent in today's money of 1.5m dollars for the film, and Life paying that much, neither of them saw any differences in the Zapruder film at all. That's the kind of money that would make people observant.
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Zapruder and Life saw the film the week of the assassination before any dyes got a chance to fade. Despite Zapruder being paid the equivalent in today's money of 1.5m dollars for the film, and Life paying that much, neither of them saw any differences in the Zapruder film at all. That's the kind of money that would make people observant.
You mention Zapruder and Life not seeing "any DIFFERENCES". "Differences" between the Original Zapruder Film that was sold to Life and specifically what other Z film? Dan Rather saw a Zapruder Film copy the weekend of the assassination. During several Live CBS World Wide TV Broadcasts that same weekend, Rather described his seeing a Much Different Zapruder Film than we have today. For starters, Rather described the Z Film Copy he watched showing the JFK Limo turning onto Elm St.
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You mention Zapruder and Life not seeing "any DIFFERENCES". "Differences" between the Original Zapruder Film that was sold to Life and specifically what other Z film? Dan Rather saw a Zapruder Film copy the weekend of the assassination. During several Live CBS World Wide TV Broadcasts that same weekend, Rather described his seeing a Much Different Zapruder Film than we have today. For starters, Rather described the Z Film Copy he watched showing the JFK Limo turning onto Elm St.
The JFKA was Rather's ticket to the big time, and he knew it.
He had to say something, even though he was out of breath, had no notes, and had been allowed to view the clip only one time.
He blew it on several counts, and people didn't realize he'd made up the "I saw the limo turn onto Elm Street in the Zapruder film" aspect of it until at least 12 years later when muckraking Giraldo Rivera showed on national TV a copy of said film that had been stolen by "photo expert" Robert Groden.
D'oh
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Rather screwed up so badly, that CBS gave him Walter Cronkite's News Anchor position. Top of the ladder. That shut him up.
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Rather screwed up so badly, that CBS gave him Walter Cronkite's News Anchor position. Top of the ladder. That shut him up.
CBS probably didn't realize that he'd screwed up on so many things until several years later.
Regardless, at least he got the "money shot" (pardon the pun): JFK had been shot in the head, JBC had been shot somewhere, and that Jackie had tried to jump out of the car or some-such thing.
Oh yeah, and that it happened in Dallas, Texas.
On Elm Street.
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Zapruder and Life saw the film the week of the assassination before any dyes got a chance to fade. Despite Zapruder being paid the equivalent in today's money of 1.5m dollars for the film, and Life paying that much, neither of them saw any differences in the Zapruder film at all. That's the kind of money that would make people observant.
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Hi Gerry, do you accept that the clip, posted by Jarrett, has completely debunked your assertion that the 'mist' was only present for a single frame?
Did you not think to look at a copy of the Z-film before starting this thread?
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Dino Brugioni claimed that he had seen a different version of the Zapruder film which included a large red mist over JFKs head, which lasted 2 to 3 frames, at the time of the fatal head shot. The Zapruder film as it stands only shows a red mist for 1 frame which is frame 313. Brugioni claimed that the version of the Zapruder film we have now shows a much shorter headshot sequence than the version he saw.
However Abraham Zapruder disproves such a claim. When Zapruder sold the rights of the Zapruder film to LIFE magazine, he stipulated that frame 313 must never be published, a stipulation that LIFE honored. The fact that Zapruder stipulated that only 1 frame must not be published, and not 2-3 frames, is prima facia evidence that the gore of the headshot did not last longer than 1 frame.
Brugioni did not claim that the version of the Zapruder film we have now shows a much shorter headshot sequence than the version he saw. He claimed that the version of the Zapruder film that he saw on the weekend of the assassination showed the headshot "explosion" in more than one frame. In extant Zapruder film, the headshot "explosion", including the red mist, is visible in 3 frames. Brugioni was not shown the extant film or any of the first or second generation copies by Horne or Janney.
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CBS probably didn't realize that he'd screwed up on so many things until several years later.
Regardless, at least he got the "money shot" (pardon the pun): JFK had been shot in the head, JBC had been shot somewhere, and that Jackie had tried to jump out of the car or some-such thing.
Oh yeah, and that it happened in Dallas, Texas.
On Elm Street.
CBS, NBC, ABC ALL knew what was on the Zapruder film. Rather also said on World Wide TV that he could see Gov Connally being shot in the chest as he turned around toward JFK.
And for the record, NBC still refuses to release their Original Darnell and Wiegman Films. The Wiegman Film being vital as he did film the JFK Limo going under the Triple Underpass. The Tick/Tock of Wiegman capturing the JFK Limo is relative to a JFK Limo "Rolling Stop" or a flat-out "Stop". And of course, my discovery of Wiegman NOT Filming the "getaway" car being parked alongside the Island. That "getaway" car was traveling down the Elm St Ext while Wiegman was filming the Island.
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Brugioni did not claim that the version of the Zapruder film we have now shows a much shorter headshot sequence than the version he saw. He claimed that the version of the Zapruder film that he saw on the weekend of the assassination showed the headshot "explosion" in more than one frame. In extant Zapruder film, the headshot "explosion", including the red mist, is visible in 3 frames. Brugioni was not shown the extant film or any of the first or second generation copies by Horne or Janney.
The important part of that "red mist" is that it goes UPWARD. We do Not see anything blowing out of that massive hole in JFK's (R) Temple region. Based on what the Zapruder Film shows, that massive hole should have had blood/brain matter blowing out of it like a whale's blow hole. AND, the (R) side of the JFK Limo should have been massively blood splattered too. A mere shaving cut produces far more blood than what the Zapruder Film shows coming from that alleged massive hole in JFK's (R) temple area. The stuff on the Z Film flies in the face of what many of us experience in day-to-day life.
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The important part of that "red mist" is that it goes UPWARD. We do Not see anything blowing out of that massive hole in JFK's (R) Temple region. Based on what the Zapruder Film shows, that massive hole should have had blood/brain matter blowing out of it like a whale's blow hole. AND, the (R) side of the JFK Limo should have been massively blood splattered too. A mere shaving cut produces far more blood than what the Zapruder Film shows coming from that alleged massive hole in JFK's (R) temple area. The stuff on the Z Film flies in the face of what many of us experience in day-to-day life.
Here is a clearer version you can see a large area of debris pelting the Connally's.
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Here is a clearer version you can see a large area of debris pelting the Connally's.
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Go to YOU TUBE. Search - "Zapruder Film JFK Assassination Best Quality HD 1080p" by - windvale (0:28)
This is a far more detailed copy than the above Z Film snippet you have posted above. Including between the sprocket holes. Let me know what you see/don't see.
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"SA Clint Hill was able to run the car down and then scale the trunk." There are copious photos taken that day, all the way from Love Field to Elm Street that all show that the SS follow up car was almost touching the limo. There was no "run the car down" involved at all. That's a fairy tale the same as Greer gunning the engine and the limo lurching forward.
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"SA Clint Hill was able to run the car down and then scale the trunk." There are copious photos taken that day, all the way from Love Field to Elm Street that all show that the SS follow up car was almost touching the limo. There was no "run the car down" involved at all. That's a fairy tale the same as Greer gunning the engine and the limo lurching forward.
Have you viewed the Bell Film showing the JFK Limo and the Queen Mary approaching/going under the Triple Underpass? Or how about the Paschall Film? There's a GAP between the 2 vehicles on both of those films. How did that GAP happen? The real issue surrounding this GAP is there being a JFK Limo "rolling stop" or possibly a flat-out STOP! You gotta ask yourself how Wiegman filmed the JFK Limo going under the Triple Underpass if there was no Rolling Stop or a flat-out STOP of the JFK Limo. Tick/Tock issue being front and center. The rolling stop or the Stop itself, does back up the WC Testimony of ASAIC Kellerman claiming the JFK Limo, "...jumped out of the god damned street", when SA Greer did finally put the peddle to the metal.
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Nice red herring. Have you seen the Zapruder film? It shows the 2 cars almost touching when they came down Elm. What does their spacing at the underpass have to do with it?
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Nice red herring. Have you seen the Zapruder film? It shows the 2 cars almost touching when they came down Elm. What does their spacing at the underpass have to do with it?
The "spacing" has to do with: (1) Missing Time, (2) JFK Limo "rolling stop" or a flat-out "stop", and (3) there being even more missing from the Z Film than the JFK Limo turning onto Elm St.