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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Jake Maxwell on July 01, 2025, 01:37:56 AM
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The first clip from the Mark Bell Film shows Zapruder walking from his perch and at the last second turning back toward the pergola... And we see Sitzman turned toward the pergola, and Charles Hester standing in the background, and his wife, Beatrice, still sitting on the ground where he left her...
The next clip from the Mark Bell Film shows Zapruder in the pergola with his back to the camera, Sitzman still turned looking around, and Charles Hester standing in the background...
The last clip shows Charles and Beatrice Hester in the pergola, with Zapruder who is most likely talking on a walkie-talkie...
Yeah... Very likely they were all part of the dirty deed...
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Abraham "Crocodile-Tears" Zapruder...
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On the Bell Film snippet, does anyone know what the White Object is that we see other side of the short wall? It is situated about halfway between the Pergola Shelter and the point that the short wall drops down. This object is not part of/attached to the Shelter. There is Not supposed to be anything in this area. From the picket fence (E) to the short wall, there is Not supposed to be anything in this area. Nothing that could be reflecting Sunlight. The object is roughly shaped like a tripod mounted telescope or large zoom camera.
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On the Bell Film snippet, does anyone know what the White Object is that we see other side of the short wall? It is situated about halfway between the Pergola Shelter and the point that the short wall drops down. This object is not part of/attached to the Shelter. There is Not supposed to be anything in this area. From the picket fence (E) to the short wall, there is Not supposed to be anything in this area. Nothing that could be reflecting Sunlight. The object is roughly shaped like a tripod mounted telescope or large zoom camera.
Royell, Is this the image you are referring to?
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No. I am talking about the short wall running DOWN, directly toward Elm St. We can see a large white object halfway between the shelter and that point where the wall drops down a few inches.
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Yeow!
Here's what ChatGPT says about Zapruder possibly using a walkie talkie...
If Abraham Zapruder had been seen or heard on a walkie-talkie just minutes after the assassination, it would raise serious and suspicious questions about his role, especially because:
Zapruder was a private citizen, not law enforcement or Secret Service.
Walkie-talkies (portable two-way radios) were not commonly owned by civilians in 1963 — and certainly not by average Dallas businessmen like Zapruder.
The use of such a device immediately after the assassination might suggest coordination or inside knowledge, which would drastically alter the mainstream narrative of his being a shocked bystander.
If such a claim were credible, it would raise questions like:
Who was he communicating with?
What was the nature of the communication?
Why would he have such equipment in that context?
Was he part of a coordinated group?
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Jake "Eagle Eye" Maxwell,
Does "former" KGB officer Vladimir Putin pay you, or do you do it for free?
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A face in the window... The plot thickens...
There are actually several frames with this image of a face...
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A face in the window... The plot thickens...
There are actually several frames with this image of a face...
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Dear Jake "Eagle Eye" Maxwell,
I think you should enlarge them some more.
-- Tom
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Dear Jake "Eagle Eye" Maxwell,
I think you should enlarge them some more.
-- Tom
Here's one that I had to turn a little and stretch back into shape... Yes, I do believe most if not all of the films have been altered to some extent...
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It looks like the face might have female features...
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Focus on the timeline. On the B/W Darnell Film snippet below, how is Zapruder entering the pergola shelter AFTER Mr Hester? (Mr Hester was wearing a Long Tie, Zapruder was wearing a Bow Tie). As seen, Zapruder should Not even be using that pergola shelter entrance. That's the same shelter entrance that Mr & Mrs Hester are supposed to have used. Of course, that's IF we are actually seeing Zapruder. There are people that do bear an uncanny resemblance to Zapruder. This includes the attire that Zapruder wore. "Dallas Morning News" Reporter Harry McCormick being just such a person. Harry McCormick was the man that questioned Zapruder as Zapruder was walking from the pergola shelter to his office inside the Dal Tex Bld. McCormick was at the Trade Mart when the Kill Shot was fired. McCormick is somehow supposed to have received the news of shots being fired inside Dealey Plaza and then traveling from the Trade Mart to the Dal Tex Bld in roughly 10 minutes where he encountered Zapruder. (1) Is that Zapruder entering the pergola shelter via the back pergola shelter entrance? (2) Within 10 minutes, is it possible for McCormick to learn of shots being fired inside Dealey Plaza and then traveling from the Trade Mart to Dealey Plaza where he encountered Zapruder on the street? ID's and Timelines are critical.
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The first clip from the Mark Bell Film shows Zapruder walking from his perch and at the last second turning back toward the pergola... And we see Sitzman turned toward the pergola, and Charles Hester standing in the background, and his wife, Beatrice, still sitting on the ground where he left her...
The next clip from the Mark Bell Film shows Zapruder in the pergola with his back to the camera, Sitzman still turned looking around, and Charles Hester standing in the background...
The last clip shows Charles and Beatrice Hester in the pergola, with Zapruder who is most likely talking on a walkie-talkie...
Yeah... Very likely they were all part of the dirty deed...
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Focus on the timeline. On the B/W Darnell Film snippet below, how is Zapruder entering the pergola shelter AFTER Mr Hester? (Mr Hester was wearing a Long Tie, Zapruder was wearing a Bow Tie). As seen, Zapruder should Not even be using that pergola shelter entrance. That's the same shelter entrance that Mr & Mrs Hester are supposed to have used. Of course, that's IF we are actually seeing Zapruder. There are people that do bear an uncanny resemblance to Zapruder. This includes the attire that Zapruder wore. "Dallas Morning News" Reporter Harry McCormick being just such a person. Harry McCormick was the man that questioned Zapruder as Zapruder was walking from the pergola shelter to his office inside the Dal Tex Bld. McCormick was at the Trade Mart when the Kill Shot was fired. McCormick is somehow supposed to have received the news of shots being fired inside Dealey Plaza and then traveling from the Trade Mart to the Dal Tex Bld in roughly 10 minutes where he encountered Zapruder. (1) Is that Zapruder entering the pergola shelter via the back pergola shelter entrance? (2) Within 10 minutes, is it possible for McCormick to learn of shots being fired inside Dealey Plaza and then traveling from the Trade Mart to Dealey Plaza where he encountered Zapruder on the street? ID's and Timelines are critical.
This is the most likely scenario of the movements of Abraham Zapruder, Marilyn Sitzman, Beatrice Hester and Charles Hester, based on photos and film...
1 - Zapruder films pre-motorcade Marilyn Sitzman standing, Beatrice Hester sitting on the bench, and her husband Charles, sitting beside the bench... [ZAPRUDER]
2 - Zapruder and Sitzman on their pergola perch as the motorcade approaches... Beatrice standing beside the bench and her husband, Charles, sitting on the bench as the presidential motorcade passes... [BRONSON]
3 - Zapruder and Sitzman leave their perch, Charles and Beatrice have left the bench and are now sitting on the grass... [ALTGENS]
4 - Wiegman shows Charles Hester scrambling to get up, leaving his wife, Beatrice, on the grass and darting to the wall (BTW... looking guilty as sin turning back at the last moment, as though he is depositing a gun or camera to someone on the other side of the wall, trying to get out of view of Wiegman's camera) [WIEGMAN]
5 - Once off the perch, Sitzman turns back toward the pergola while Zapruder walks toward the middle of the open area...
Most likely Zapruder has a few words across the way with Charles Hester who is now standing at the wall, after getting up from the grass, where he has left Beatrice...
Then Zapruder turns back toward the pergola... [BELL]
6 - Zapruder walks past Sitzman, who eventually follows him into the pergola, where Zapruder gets on the walkie talkie... [BELL]
7 - Beatrice Hester gets up and walks past her husband down the walkway to join Zapruder and Sitzman in the pergola... Charles lingers at the wall, but then joins the party... [TOWNER]
8 - Darnell captures on film Charles and Beatrice looking out from the pergola, while Zapruder seems to pace, talking on his walkie talkie, eventually moving out of view... [DARNELL]
9 - FINALLY... the most damning and convincing film image (with slight enhancements) that seems to implicate Zapruder and his fellows in the dirty deed... [DARNELL]
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This is the most likely scenario of the movements of Abraham Zapruder, Marilyn Sitzman, Beatrice Hester and Charles Hester, based on photos and film...
1 - Zapruder films pre-motorcade Marilyn Sitzman standing, Beatrice Hester sitting on the bench, and her husband Charles, sitting beside the bench...
2 - Zapruder and Sitzman on their pergola perch as the motorcade approaches... Beatrice standing beside the bench and her husband, Charles, sitting on the bench as the presidential motorcade passes...
3 - Zapruder and Sitzman leave their perch, Charles and Beatrice have left the bench and are now sitting on the grass...
4 - Wiegman shows Charles Hester scrambling to get up, leaving his wife, Beatrice, on the grass and darting to the wall (BTW... looking guilty as sin turning back at the last moment, as though he is depositing a gun or camera to someone on the other side of the wall, trying to get out of view of Wiegman's camera)
5 - Once off the perch, Sitzman turns back toward the pergola while Zapruder walks toward the middle of the area...
Most likely Zapruder has a few words across the way with Charles Hester who is now standing at the wall, after getting up from the grass, where he has left Beatrice...
Then Zapruder turns back toward the pergola...
6 - Zapruder walks past Sitzman, who eventually follows him into the pergola, where Zapruder gets on the walkie talkie...
7 - Beatrice Hester gets up and walks past her husband down the walkway to join Zapruder and Sitzman, and enters into the pergola... Charles lingers at the wall, but then joins the party...
8 - Darnell captures on film Charles and Beatrice looking out from the pergola, while Zapruder seems to pace, talking on his walkie talkie, eventually moving out of view...
9 - FINALLY... the most damning and convincing film image (with slight enhancements) that seems to implicate Zapruder and his fellows in the dirty deed...
(https://i.ibb.co/NgVr0Hsm/Screenshot-2025-07-09-at-9-08-16-PM.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/h1hJkKqX/Screenshot-2025-07-09-at-9-17-54-PM.png)
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Dear Jake "Eagle Eye" Maxwell,
Can't you post more of them and make them bigger, too?
-- Tom
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Dear Jake "Eagle Eye" Maxwell,
Can't you post more of them and make them bigger, too?
-- Tom
This one small photo ought to blow up the entire JFKA discussion on all the forums...
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This one small photo ought to blow up the entire JFKA discussion on all the forums...
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Dear Jake "Eagle Eye" Maxwell,
Does Vladimir Putin pay you, or do you do it for free?
-- Tom
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Dear Jake "Eagle Eye" Maxwell,
Does Vladimir Putin pay you, or do you do it for free?
-- Tom
I think your comment means I'm over the target...
Zapruder on a walkie talkie is certainly a very, very disturbing idea to every LN'r...
No payment from Putin... just a love for truth and justice...
AND the greater question is this one: "Did anyone pay Zapruder?"
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I think your comment means I'm over the target...
Zapruder on a walkie talkie is certainly a very, very disturbing idea to every LN'r...
No payment from Putin... just a love for truth and justice...
AND the greater question is this one: "Did anyone pay Zapruder?"
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Dear Jake,
Have you always been paranoiac?
-- Tom
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Dear Jake,
Have you always been paranoiac?
-- Tom
Uhhh... who wants to know… and why are you asking? :D
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Uhhh... who wants to know… and why are you asking? :D
There you go, again!
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There you go, again!
Glad you got the humor in that... ha, ha! :D
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My handlers at the evil, evil you-know-where helped me figure it out.
ChatGPT gets it... and picks up on the implications of Zapruder on a walkie talkie... AND why LN'rs should be very, very disturbed about this:
If Abraham Zapruder were seen using a walkie-talkie inside the pergola minutes after JFK’s assassination, it would raise serious historical and conspiratorial implications, primarily because:
Any account of Zapruder lingering near the pergola afterward would be new and conflicting.
1) It Suggests Potential Coordination
• A walkie-talkie implies communication with others. If true, this could be construed by conspiracy theorists as evidence Zapruder was part of an operational team, possibly coordinating or observing something more than just filming a presidential visit.
• That would undermine his role as an innocent bystander and turn him into a potential co-conspirator...
2) The Pergola Was Near the Grassy Knoll
• Seeing Zapruder in or behind the pergola could implicate him in logistical positioning or communication, perhaps supporting theories of multiple shooters or a coordinated ambush.
Summary:
If Zapruder was truly seen using a walkie-talkie inside the pergola right after JFK’s assassination, it would dramatically alter his perceived role and fuel deep conspiracy interpretations.
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The first clip from the Mark Bell Film shows Zapruder walking from his perch and at the last second turning back toward the pergola... And we see Sitzman turned toward the pergola, and Charles Hester standing in the background, and his wife, Beatrice, still sitting on the ground where he left her...
The next clip from the Mark Bell Film shows Zapruder in the pergola with his back to the camera, Sitzman still turned looking around, and Charles Hester standing in the background...
The last clip shows Charles and Beatrice Hester in the pergola, with Zapruder who is most likely talking on a walkie-talkie...
Yeah... Very likely they were all part of the dirty deed...
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You guys need to FOCUS on the 2nd film snippet down from the top. About halfway down that short wall, just down from the Pyracantha Bush, there is a WHITE OBJECT stretching over the short wall. There is Not supposed to be anything in this area behind the short wall. This WHITE OBJECT is shaped like a large zoom camera, or a telescope. It has a Black Circle around the end of it. Just like you see on a Zoom Camera. This WHITE OBJECT has always been extremely blurry on other assassination films, making it difficult to figure out what it might be. This snippet is the clearest I have seen this WHITE OBJECT to date. Whatever it is, it is pointed toward Elm St. It is either resting on that short wall or maybe attached to a tripod. It is barely taller than the short wall. What is that WHITE OBJECT?
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You guys need to FOCUS on the 2nd film snippet down from the top. About halfway down that short wall, just down from the Pyracantha Bush, there is a WHITE OBJECT stretching over the short wall. There is Not supposed to be anything in this area behind the short wall. This WHITE OBJECT is shaped like a large zoom camera, or a telescope. It has a Black Circle around the end of it. Just like you see on a Zoom Camera. This WHITE OBJECT has always been extremely blurry on other assassination films, making it difficult to figure out what it might be. This snippet is the clearest I have seen this WHITE OBJECT to date. Whatever it is, it is pointed toward Elm St. It is either resting on that short wall or maybe attached to a tripod. It is barely taller than the short wall. What is that WHITE OBJECT?
It could very well be a spotter's scope...
However, the game-changing image that should not be overlooked, is Zapruder on a walkie talkie.
THAT is the one image that strongly suggests a coordinated ambush on the president... and then a deliberate cover-up...
Sooooo... all the crap about Zapruder having to be pressured to go back and get his camera... and then his expressing remorse over the assassination and crying CROCODILE TEARS... well... it's all crap... a pre-arranged story and drama for the public, to have us believe nothing was pre-arranged...
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Even the WW 2 Walkie Talkies had much heavier gauge antenna's than we possibly see on this image. A skinny antenna such as we see here would break off in nothing flat.
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Even the WW 2 Walkie Talkies had much heavier gauge antenna's than we possibly see on this image. A skinny antenna such as we see here would break off in nothing flat.
That is only an enhancement... as is the outline of his hat... to help orient the view...
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What do you mean by "enhancement"? What EXACTLY did you do to that image? Did you add that antenna to the image?
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What do you mean by "enhancement"? What EXACTLY did you do to that image? Did you add that antenna to the image?
I assumed that would be obvious to most...
Also, the faint outline of his hat and back of coat and sleeve...
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What do you mean by "enhancement"? What EXACTLY did you do to that image? Did you add that antenna to the image?
Here's a side by side with and without enhancements...
Yeah, it's just as obvious what Zapruder is doing in the frame... talking on a walkie...
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Before cellphones...
Who are these guys talking to?
Zapruder on a walkie talkie... later crying crocodile tears.
Yeah, most likely part of the plot... [Z. = top right]
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The first clip from the Mark Bell Film shows Zapruder walking from his perch and at the last second turning back toward the pergola... And we see Sitzman turned toward the pergola, and Charles Hester standing in the background, and his wife, Beatrice, still sitting on the ground where he left her...
The next clip from the Mark Bell Film shows Zapruder in the pergola with his back to the camera, Sitzman still turned looking around, and Charles Hester standing in the background...
The last clip shows Charles and Beatrice Hester in the pergola, with Zapruder who is most likely talking on a walkie-talkie...
Yeah... Very likely they were all part of the dirty deed...
(https://i.ibb.co/9kFMm51N/ezgif-com-resize-61.gif)
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Just look at the Bell film/2nd snippet down from the top. There is a dark figure already inside the Shelter. This is supposed to be Zapruder already inside the Shelter. As you see, Mr Hester is standing well (E) of this same shelter and Mrs Hester is nowhere in sight. That Darnell snippet shows Mr and Mrs Hester ENTERING the Shelter AHEAD of Zapruder. Are you claiming that Zapruder went in-and-out of that shelter 2 times? You have timeline issues with the Bell Film images of Zapruder and the Darnell Film images of Zapruder. Or, are we seeing 2 different men dressed in very similar suits and hats?
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Just look at the Bell film/2nd snippet down from the top. There is a dark figure already inside the Shelter. This is supposed to be Zapruder already inside the Shelter. As you see, Mr Hester is standing well (E) of this same shelter and Mrs Hester is nowhere in sight. That Darnell snippet shows Mr and Mrs Hester ENTERING the Shelter AHEAD of Zapruder. Are you claiming that Zapruder went in-and-out of that shelter 2 times? You have timeline issues with the Bell Film images of Zapruder and the Darnell Film images of Zapruder. Or, are we seeing 2 different men dressed in very similar suits and hats?
No... Zapruder is in the pergola shelter before Sitzman and the Hesters... What is seen in the Darnell film is most likely Zapruder talking on a walkie-talkie and pacing around while he is talking...
A close review of this thread will confirm this...
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(slightly enhanced to orient view)
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Before cellphones...
Who are these guys talking to?
Zapruder on a walkie talkie... later crying crocodile tears.
Yeah, most likely part of the plot... [Z. = top right]
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Perhaps we should add this fellow to the group...
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Perhaps we should add this fellow to the group...
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Does anyone have a Positive ID for that older guy wearing the round brim hat standing atop the Triple Underpass? If I were to encounter this guy back there in the railroad yard immediately after the Kill Shot, I might "Presumed" he was a "Railroad Detective". (DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood WC Testimony).
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This thread is meant as a joke, right? Because you guys are quickly running out of conspirators in Dealey Plaza...
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This thread is meant as a joke, right? Because you guys are quickly running out of conspirators in Dealey Plaza...
You've got five (5) people on walkie talkies in the "kill zone."
Yeah... that's pretty serious... no joke...
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You've got five (5) people on walkie talkies in the "kill zone."
Yeah... that's pretty serious... no joke...
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You're turning the audience into LN's by the bushel basket. You know that, right?
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You're turning the audience into LN's by the bushel basket. You know that, right?
Royell, If that happens it would not be intentional...
AND if that happens, it would seem to go against some of the best photo evidence available at this time... Again, 5 persons who all seem to be on a "group call" with walkie talkies... in the "kill zone!"
Yes, including Zapruder...
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Wow. I didn't think JFK assassination "photo analysis" could reach levels of embarrassment and absurdity beyond the likes of Ralph Cinque and John Butler, but Jake Maxwell has won the prize!
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Wow. I didn't think JFK assassination "photo analysis" could reach levels of embarrassment and absurdity beyond the likes of Ralph Cinque and John Butler, but Jake Maxwell has won the prize!
I humbly accept this award in Jake's absence.
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I accept all awards... though I do prefer money! ;)
I think this is a better gif... Zapruder on a call...
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This one's a little brighter...
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I accept all awards... though I do prefer money! ;)
I think this is a better gif... Zapruder on a call...
(https://i.ibb.co/WNJd9sGk/ezgif-com-crop-36.gif)
Take a look at the height difference of Zapruder vs Sitzman while standing on the Zapruder Perch. Then, look above at that alleged Zapruder vs Sitzman inside the shelter. This ain't difficult.
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Take a look at the height difference of Zapruder vs Sitzman while standing on the Zapruder Perch. Then, look above at that alleged Zapruder vs Sitzman inside the shelter. This ain't difficult.
It's just a matter of perspective...
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Just look at the TOP of their heads. Both figures are almost standing on top of each other. Stop complicating the obvious.
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Just look at the TOP of their heads. Both figures are almost standing on top of each other. Stop complicating the obvious.
I think you have Sitzman confused with what is more likely Beatrice Hester...
Also, I think you're missing some basic camera perspective here...
BUT more importantly, you are missing the more obvious...
Zapruder is on a walkie talkie...
THAT is most important...
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Anybody who might be wondering why the JFK assassination research community exists in such a sad state need look no farther than Jake Maxwell's "analysis" in this thread. It boggles my mind that any intelligent person would believe Abraham Zapruder, an elderly dress manufacturer who had such balance issues that his assistant had to hold him steady while he filmed, was part of the assassination conspiracy team and was using a walkie-talkie in Dealey Plaza. Give me a break.
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Anybody who might be wondering why the JFK assassination research community exists in such a sad state need look no farther than Jake Maxwell's "analysis" in this thread. It boggles my mind that any intelligent person would believe Abraham Zapruder, an elderly dress manufacturer who had such balance issues that his assistant had to hold him steady while he filmed, was part of the assassination conspiracy team and was using a walkie-talkie in Dealey Plaza. Give me a break.
You'd be better off criticizing the visual analysis of there being a walkie talkie vs tabbing Zapruder as being "elderly". Zapruder was 58 yrs old on 11/22/63.
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Really? That's the hill you're going to die on here rather than Jake Maxwell's ludicrous claims about umpteen Dealey Plaza conspirators? An unsteady 58-year-old man could certainly be construed as "elderly" in comparison to the many other young men and women standing near him.
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When the nation’s top law enforcement officer - FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover - dictates a memo just hours after the assassination expressing concern about public perception and emphasizing the need to convince the public that Oswald was the lone assassin, we can be absolutely certain he had no intention of pursuing any other possible - or probable - assassination scenario.
That includes the likelihood, indicated by photographic evidence, that Abraham Zapruder might have been part of a larger plot.
In Hoover’s own words:
“The thing I am concerned about, and so is [Deputy Attorney General] Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin.”
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Besides "Harvey and Lee," this is without a doubt the most ridiculous theory I have ever seen put forward about the Kennedy assassination. Congratulations to Jake Maxwell for entering the Hall of Shame.
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Besides "Harvey and Lee," this is without a doubt the most ridiculous theory I have ever seen put forward about the Kennedy assassination. Congratulations to Jake Maxwell for entering the Hall of Shame.
The quotations he is now including with his "image enhancements" are indicative of improvement. An ugly duckling does turn into a swan over time. Don't throw this baby out with the bath water just yet.
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The quotations he is now including with his "image enhancements" are indicative of improvement. An ugly duckling does turn into a swan over time. Don't throw this baby out with the bath water just yet.
The quote by FBI Director, J. Edgar Hoover, should actually shut down all debate regarding whether or not all leads and possible assassination scenarios were investigated...
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The Forum Gallery of photos has the best image of Willis #5 that might be available...
It clearly shows the image of a face (or two)... And yeah... all along we thought we were looking at Sitzman's arm and elbow...
Is this Zapruder? If so, then why is he in this location in the photo (perhaps a result of purposeful cover-up distortion)... and he obviously has no camera... maybe a scope...
If not Zapruder, then who is it?
(The second panel shows increased contrast and increased brightness...)
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The Forum Gallery of photos has the best image of Willis #5 that might be available...
It clearly shows the image of a face (or two)... And yeah... all along we thought we were looking at Sitzman's arm and elbow...
Is this Zapruder? If so, then why is he in this location in the photo (perhaps a result of purposeful cover-up distortion)... and he obviously has no camera... maybe a scope...
If not Zapruder, then who is it?
(The second panel shows increased contrast and increased brightness...)
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Here's the image turned back into shape...
and you can even see the end of what looks like a barrel... or a scope...
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Well, that's a wrap, folks! Jake Maxwell, to the exclusion of 60-plus years of JFK researchers, has single-handedly discovered Abraham Zapruder's complicity in the Kennedy assassination. By the way, Jake .. is the US government in the habit of drafting men of near-retirement age to participate in the murder of the leader of the free world and then allowing them to give media interviews for years after the fact? What a great conspirator he was, huh?
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Even the WW 2 Walkie Talkies had much heavier gauge antenna's than we possibly see on this image. A skinny antenna such as we see here would break off in nothing flat.
Could be a transistor radio?
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Could be a transistor radio?
Could be... BUT what is most likely?
Yes... most likely it is a walkie talkie... for all five of these fellows...
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More preposterous "analysis." The late Jack White wouldn't be happy that his idiotic theories have been trumped by those of Jake Maxwell.
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More preposterous "analysis." The late Jack White wouldn't be happy that his idiotic theories have been trumped by those of Jake Maxwell.
Only a closed mind would rule out what appears to be the case...
These five fellows seem to be talking on walkie talkies...
There really is not much analysis needed, since this does appear to be very likely...
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It's only "very likely" to you - which is all anybody here needs to know. Dp you actually believe that you, to the exclusion of nearly 62 years' worth of research, have managed to discover that a bunch of evil conspirators were communicating with each other, by walkie-talkie, before, during and after the assassination? Or have you ever considered the possibility that you are wildly misinterpreting what's actually going on in the film and photo record? Why is that not a single credible researcher before you ever noticed that little old Abraham Zapruder was part of the conspiracy and was waving around his magic walkie-talkie for anybody to see?
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It's only "very likely" to you - which is all anybody here needs to know. Dp you actually believe that you, to the exclusion of nearly 62 years' worth of research, have managed to discover that a bunch of evil conspirators were communicating with each other, by walkie-talkie, before, during and after the assassination? Or have you ever considered the possibility that you are wildly misinterpreting what's actually going on in the film and photo record? Why is that not a single credible researcher before you ever noticed that little old Abraham Zapruder was part of the conspiracy and was waving around his magic walkie-talkie for anybody to see?
Have you ever considered the possibility that after 62 years of cover-up and official denial and refusal to release all assassination records... your understanding of these matters might be a product of a disinformation campaign... and photo tampering and false witnesses intended to do exactly what Hoover intended just hours after the assassination... "convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin?"
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Have you ever considered the possibility that after 62 years of cover-up and official denial and refusal to release all assassination records... your understanding of these matters might be a product of a disinformation campaign... and photo tampering and false witnesses intended to do exactly what Hoover intended just hours after the assassination... "convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin?"
No, because that's complete nonsense. Continue having fun wildly misinterpreting every film and photo from the assassination though!
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No, because that's complete nonsense. Continue having fun wildly misinterpreting every film and photo from the assassination though!
...Also, over most of the last 62 years researchers have not had access to digitized photos and high resolution computer screens...
So, yes, why shouldn't there be more discoveries that 62 years of research have overlooked?
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It's only "very likely" to you - which is all anybody here needs to know. Dp you actually believe that you, to the exclusion of nearly 62 years' worth of research, have managed to discover that a bunch of evil conspirators were communicating with each other, by walkie-talkie, before, during and after the assassination? Or have you ever considered the possibility that you are wildly misinterpreting what's actually going on in the film and photo record? Why is that not a single credible researcher before you ever noticed that little old Abraham Zapruder was part of the conspiracy and was waving around his magic walkie-talkie for anybody to see?
So... over the last 62 years has anyone made reference to this pretty significant image from the Bell Film found in the film notch, captured only seconds after the assassination?
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So... over the last 62 years has anyone made reference to this pretty significant image from the Bell Film found in the film notch, captured only seconds after the assassination?
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What do you specifically mean by, "in the FILM NOTCH"? What is the "FILM NOTCH"? We also need some context here. Where is this figure? Is that the Zapruder Perch on the (L) of this figure? Help us out with some details.
This might be the same figure we see on the Patsy Paschall Film in the Zapruder Perch area.
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What do you specifically mean by, "in the FILM NOTCH"? What is the "FILM NOTCH"? We also need some context here. Where is this figure? Is that the Zapruder Perch on the (L) of this figure? Help us out with some details.
This might be the same figure we see on the Patsy Paschall Film in the Zapruder Perch area.
"Film notch" or sometimes called "film code" to indicate which side of the film has the emulsion...
Below is the image in context...
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"Film notch" or sometimes called "film code" to indicate which side of the film has the emulsion...
Below is the image in context...
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Here is the same image from the Sixth Floor Museum copy...
The Museum copy does not include the notch, but you can still see a partial image...
(https://i.ibb.co/x8FHFNgh/Screenshot-2025-11-10-at-4-09-49-PM.png)
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Here is the same image from the Sixth Floor Museum copy...
The Museum copy does not include the notch, but you can still see a partial image...
(https://i.ibb.co/x8FHFNgh/Screenshot-2025-11-10-at-4-09-49-PM.png)
I believe the very top Bell still frame is from "The Lost Bullet" (2011). When I get the time I will frame-by-frame my copy of "The Lost Bullet" to see if that same still frame is cropped in the DVD. I'm not big on anything coming outta the Sixth Floor Museum (jfk.org). I do appreciate that opening :40 of the Darnell Film that they released about 1 yr ago. I think the museum "quality control" probably feel asleep at the wheel on that :40 release. There's some very revealing images within that :40.
The specific movements of Zapruder after he got down from the pedestal remain a mystery. Also, how long Zapruder stayed inside the shelter and specifically who was inside it with him. Once again, the Old Guard JFK Assassination Research Community feel on its' arse. Zapruder "no show'd" his scheduled interview with Josiah Thompson for his blockbuster, "Six Seconds In Dallas". This tells you all you need to know. Some of these main players took valuable information with them when they exited the stage.
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I believe the very top Bell still frame is from "The Lost Bullet" (2011). When I get the time I will frame-by-frame my copy of "The Lost Bullet" to see if that same still frame is cropped in the DVD. I'm not big on anything coming outta the Sixth Floor Museum (jfk.org). I do appreciate that opening :40 of the Darnell Film that they released about 1 yr ago. I think the museum "quality control" probably feel asleep at the wheel on that :40 release. There's some very revealing images within that :40.
The specific movements of Zapruder after he got down from the pedestal remain a mystery. Also, how long Zapruder stayed inside the shelter and specifically who was inside it with him. Once again, the Old Guard JFK Assassination Research Community feel on its' arse. Zapruder "no show'd" his scheduled interview with Josiah Thompson for his blockbuster, "Six Seconds In Dallas". This tells you all you need to know. Some of these main players took valuable information with them when they exited the stage.
Yes... the movements of Zapruder are somewhat mysterious, and likely purposely so... and Hoover was not at all interested in pursuing further investigations that might have included Zapruder and others... He wanted investigations to find evidence - if not "plant" evidence - to pin it all on Oswald...
I think Zapruder was present to shoot at JFK... or at least, he was there to provide false witness testimony for others from that vantage point who either shot, or were prepared to shoot (see the Bell "film notch" figure...)
The sweet little made-up story that Zapruder had to be convinced to go back and get his camera, is so thin and easy to see through...
That story was made up to protect Zapruder and to cover the fact that Zapruder's presence on that pergola perch was all planned out in advance...
Sitzman's comment about seeing a black couple behind the wall was likely a story she told so that the black couple might be pursued as the culprits, just in case the Oswald scenario they were trying to "construct" fell through for unforeseen reasons... and also to keep Zapruder and company's complicity from being investigated...
Look again... the man is likely on a walkie-talkie...
Let the research and investigation begin!
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Why would anyone include Sitzman in the assassination of a POTUS? She's a real Edith Bunker before the fictional Edith Bunker. No way.
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Why would anyone include Sitzman in the assassination of a POTUS? She's a real Edith Bunker before the fictional Edith Bunker. No way.
In the 1960's there were people in "high places" who hated Kennedy with as much vitriol as some people hate Trump today...
Yeah, if Zapruder was in on it... quite possibly Sitzman and the Hester's were in on it as well...
If Zapruder was taking aim... Sitzman was likely doing the filming...
Again, the little story about convincing Z. to go back and get his camera, was likely a "cover" story....
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In the 1960's there were people in "high places" who hated Kennedy with as much vitriol as some people hate Trump today...
Yeah, if Zapruder was in on it... quite possibly Sitzman and the Hester's were in on it as well...
If Zapruder was taking aim... Sitzman was likely doing the filming...
Again, the little story about convincing Z. to go back and get his camera, was likely a "cover" story....
A more insane, ridiculous, laughable statement you will rarely see on a JFK message board, and that's saying something!
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A more insane, ridiculous, laughable statement you will rarely see on a JFK message board, and that's saying something!
Jake does point out there is "cropping" of an image/person from his posted Bell still frame. This issue does hold huge merit. You focus on the silly and miss that which is truly important. Kinda like Tesla trying to sell a silly "death ray" vs his Alternating Current having been dismissed. Repeating the folly of the past is not recommended. Put your broad brush away. Carefully examine the entire package.
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A more insane, ridiculous, laughable statement you will rarely see on a JFK message board, and that's saying something!
Okay... what is your best argument against or explanation of this image in the Bell Film... right next to the perch where Zapruder was supposed to be filming?
It looks like someone is holding a rifle...
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What a load of you-know-what.
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Okay... what is your best argument against or explanation of this image in the Bell Film... right next to the perch where Zapruder was supposed to be filming?
It looks like someone is holding a rifle...
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Zapruder was wearing a suit with dress slacks, so I do not believe this is him. This individual looks to be wearing a heavy coat or duster of some kind. I do Not see a rifle. All of that said, this image is a very good find.
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Okay... what is your best argument against or explanation of this image in the Bell Film... right next to the perch where Zapruder was supposed to be filming?
It looks like someone is holding a rifle...
Fella, you need to get your eyes checked if you think that still frame shows "someone" "holding a rifle" ...
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I can Not say I see a rifle, but this is still a very good find.
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Fella, you need to get your eyes checked if you think that still frame shows "someone" "holding a rifle" ...
Those who are familiar with rifles will most likely recognize what is called a high "low" ready position...
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Uh huh. And this person with a rifle standing in a "firing" position was somehow not seen or noticed by anybody else in Dealey Plaza? Your magical powers of photo interpretation never cease to amaze!
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Those who are familiar with rifles will most likely recognize what is called a high "low" ready position...
(https://i.ibb.co/XxRVQLZp/Screenshot-2025-11-16-at-7-28-05-PM.png)
This figure appears to be moving toward the Pergola Shelter. Where would he have been positioned previously, to NOW be in this position? A possible shooter would Not be in this position only seconds after the Kill Shot. You have a very good find, but you have not found a possible shooter. His physical position at this point in time after the Kill Shot rules that out.
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This figure appears to be moving toward the Pergola Shelter. Where would he have been positioned previously, to NOW be in this position? A possible shooter would Not be in this position only seconds after the Kill Shot. You have a very good find, but you have not found a possible shooter. His physical position at this point in time after the Kill Shot rules that out.
The worst elements of law enforcement were in the game...
Only Oswald needed to be fearful, since he was the pre-selected fall guy...
Everyone else on site for nefarious reasons were likely instructed to claim they were Secret Service on security detail... so having a rifle in sight of everyone was not a problem if you were given a badge to wear or had uniformed law enforcement nearby as cover...
This is likely a shooter in the high "low" ready position, perhaps using his rifle scope to view the damage...
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I fail to understand how a single person on this forum can take the photo "analysis" of Jake Maxwell seriously.
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The worst elements of law enforcement were in the game...
Only Oswald needed to be fearful, since he was the pre-selected fall guy...
Everyone else on site for nefarious reasons were likely instructed to claim they were Secret Service on security detail... so having a rifle in sight of everyone was not a problem if you were given a badge to wear or had uniformed law enforcement nearby as cover...
This is likely a shooter in the high "low" ready position, perhaps using his rifle scope to view the damage...
(https://i.ibb.co/XxRVQLZp/Screenshot-2025-11-16-at-7-28-05-PM.png)
The Bell Film still frame that you posted is time stamped to be under 1 minute after the Kill Shot. As I mentioned earlier, there is a blurry dark figure in motion near the Zapruder Perch on the Patsy Paschall Film. That film also shows the JFK Limo going under the Triple Underpass for help in time stamping this blurry dark figure. Examine the Paschall Film blurry dark figure and try to sync it up to your Bell Film still frame. This will tell you if these figures timelines match-up or not. There are many very poor copies of the Paschall Film out there. You need to find the best Paschall Film copy you can come up with. To save you some time, the Paschall photo library posted on this forum will not help.
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The Bell Film still frame that you posted is time stamped to be under 1 minute after the Kill Shot. As I mentioned earlier, there is a blurry dark figure in motion near the Zapruder Perch on the Patsy Paschall Film. That film also shows the JFK Limo going under the Triple Underpass for help in time stamping this blurry dark figure. Examine the Paschall Film blurry dark figure and try to sync it up to your Bell Film still frame. This will tell you if these figures timelines match-up or not. There are many very poor copies of the Paschall Film out there. You need to find the best Paschall Film copy you can come up with. To save you some time, the Paschall photo library posted on this forum will not help.
Checked the Paschall lead... Cannot find a clear copy...
Indeed... This fellow shows up very likely within one minute of the kill shot...
Again, military personnel and swat and seal teams will recognize the profile and posture of a shooter in high "low" ready position... who is perhaps using his scope to "assess damage"...
This should change the conversation a bit... regardless of all the junior high put downs from a member or two...
AND it should raise a few questions regarding Zapruder and company in that exact area... before, during and after the kill shot...
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Checked the Paschall lead... Cannot find a clear copy...
Indeed... This fellow shows up very likely within one minute of the kill shot...
Again, military personnel and swat and seal teams will recognize the profile and posture of a shooter in high "low" ready position... who is perhaps using his scope to "assess damage"...
This should change the conversation a bit... regardless of all the junior high put downs from a member or two...
AND it should raise a few questions regarding Zapruder and company in that exact area... before, during and after the kill shot...
(https://i.ibb.co/XxRVQLZp/Screenshot-2025-11-16-at-7-28-05-PM.png)
On the Paschall Film, did you see a dark figure moving quickly L-R in the Zapruder Perch area? I'm not sure what you were able to see on the Paschall copy you examined.
Regarding the Bell Film still frame you have posted, to my eye, I am seeing the Back of this fuzzy dark figure. How am I to tell if this figure is in a high "low" position when looking directly at the Back?
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On the Paschall Film, did you see a dark figure moving quickly L-R in the Zapruder Perch area? I'm not sure what you were able to see on the Paschall copy you examined.
Regarding the Bell Film still frame you have posted, to my eye, I am seeing the Back of this fuzzy dark figure. How am I to tell if this figure is in a high "low" position when looking directly at the Back?
Do you have a link to a good Paschall Film? I can't find anything...
I did present this very image to ChatGPT and asked:
Do you see two similar figures in the posture of holding rifles?
Here's the response:
Yes — I can describe the visual similarity without identifying anyone.
Looking at the two images:
Left Image (blurry figure)
The figure appears to be standing with feet apart.
The upper body seems angled slightly forward.
The arms look positioned as if holding something long and horizontal across the torso.
The bright patch near the hands could resemble hands on an object.
Because the image is extremely blurry and indistinct, no definite object can be confirmed — only that the arm and hand positions resemble someone holding a long object.
Right Image (clear figure)
The person is clearly holding a rifle in a ready or aiming posture.
Feet apart, torso leaned forward slightly.
Arms bent at similar angles to control a long object.
Comparison
The general posture—feet apart, torso slightly forward, arms positioned as if supporting a long object—is similar between the two figures.
However, the left image is too blurry to determine whether the person is actually holding a rifle or anything else, only that the posture resembles the stance of someone holding a long object across the body.
(https://i.ibb.co/XxRVQLZp/Screenshot-2025-11-16-at-7-28-05-PM.png)
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AND... it looks like we've narrowed down the selection for a line-up...
From the stance, this fellow was likely left-handed...
(https://i.ibb.co/XxRVQLZp/Screenshot-2025-11-16-at-7-28-05-PM.png)
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AND... it looks like we've narrowed down the selection for a line-up...
From the stance, this fellow was likely left-handed...
(https://i.ibb.co/XxRVQLZp/Screenshot-2025-11-16-at-7-28-05-PM.png)
Please post the full frame, including the Sprocket hole which contains your posted image.
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"Film notch" or sometimes called "film code" to indicate which side of the film has the emulsion...
Below is the image in context...
(https://i.ibb.co/Pz0ktpPh/Screenshot-2025-11-10-at-4-00-19-PM.png)
Bump regarding posted Bell full frame/sprocket holes
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Bump regarding posted Bell full frame/sprocket holes
Thanks, it's a no-brainer, it's Zapruder and Sitzman.
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Checked the Paschall lead... Cannot find a clear copy...
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Thanks, it's a no-brainer, it's Zapruder and Sitzman.
If the person on the edge of this still frame is a male, he is wearing a coat that extends down to about the knee level. That would make it an Overcoat or Trench Coat. Zapruder was wearing a suit coat. The length of the coat DQ's the figure being Zapruder.
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Very good! The best I've seen...
This looks very suspicious!
(https://i.ibb.co/HDwmjCw5/Screenshot-2025-11-19-at-8-09-23-PM.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/Gfy54wjM/Screenshot-2025-11-19-at-8-11-57-PM.png)
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If the person on the edge of this still frame is a male, he is wearing a coat that extends down to about the knee level. That would make it an Overcoat or Trench Coat. Zapruder was wearing a suit coat. The length of the coat DQ's the figure being Zapruder.
I think you are correct... The attire is not that of Zapruder or Sitzman...
Here's from the Paschal Film copy Duncan posted...
(https://i.ibb.co/vrMvJ4j/Screenshot-2025-11-19-at-8-24-19-PM.png)
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This is another reason this case remains unsolved after almost 62 yrs. People have staked out hard line LN Positions. When NEW IMAGE EVIDENCE such as the Bell still frame you have presented challenges their iron clad LN position(s), they only acknowledge seeing what they WANT to see. They do Not accept seeing everything that is actually on the image. This dark figure based on the attire worn, is NOT Zapruder. Personally, I believe this dark figure is also NOT moving on the same Ground Level as Sitzman. To this day, immediately following the kill shot, we only Know of Zapruder being physically on the Pergola Shelter Level of the Knoll. Same goes for Sitzman. This dark figure and Sitzman are on differing levels of the Knoll in that Bell Film still frame. That dark figure based on: (1) attire, and (2) location, is Not Zapruder.
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Professional or serious historians or researches like Max Holland, investigative journalists, people like Fred Litwin here, spend months and years, sometimes even decades, researching an issue or topic. They travel around the country, interview people, locate primary or original sources like photos, letters. Then they take those materials to experts who analyze them, authenticate them. The photos or films are given to labs to evaluate. Digitized, enhanced, made, if possible, clearer.
They spend thousands of hours and thousands of dollars on their topic. Again, Fred Litwin is a perfect example. He travels to the archives, to libraries, and finds the primary documents.
Or you can sit behind a computer, roaming the internet, and find a boogeyman in a obscure, fuzzy photo and consider that and that alone serious research. Where did the photo come from? It doesn't matter. What do other photos and films reveal? It doesn't matter. What did the people who were there say? It doesn't matter. One image alone is sufficient.
If you think the second approach is better than the first, that the first is antiquated and no longer useful, then, well, you really are fooling yourself.
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Or you can sit behind a computer, roaming the internet, and find a boogeyman in a obscure, fuzzy photo and consider that and that alone serious research. Where did the photo come from? It doesn't matter. What do other photos and films reveal? It doesn't matter. What did the people who were there say? It doesn't matter. One image alone is sufficient.
If you think the second approach is better than the first, that the first is antiquated and no longer useful, then, well, you really are fooling yourself.
Steve, I wish this could be tattooed onto the homepage of this forum. This armchair sleuthing, which runs rampant and unchecked at the JFK Education Forum as well, is the bane of the JFK research community.
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Professional or serious historians or researches like Max Holland, investigative journalists, people like Fred Litwin here, spend months and years, sometimes even decades, researching an issue or topic. They travel around the country, interview people, locate primary or original sources like photos, letters. Then they take those materials to experts who analyze them, authenticate them. The photos or films are given to labs to evaluate. Digitized, enhanced, made, if possible, clearer.
They spend thousands of hours and thousands of dollars on their topic. Again, Fred Litwin is a perfect example. He travels to the archives, to libraries, and finds the primary documents.
Or you can sit behind a computer, roaming the internet, and find a boogeyman in a obscure, fuzzy photo and consider that and that alone serious research. Where did the photo come from? It doesn't matter. What do other photos and films reveal? It doesn't matter. What did the people who were there say? It doesn't matter. One image alone is sufficient.
If you think the second approach is better than the first, that the first is antiquated and no longer useful, then, well, you really are fooling yourself.
Well, isn’t this ironic ;D … the very image we’re looking at comes from The Lost Bullet, which features Max Holland pushing his theory that a shot from the sixth floor struck the traffic-signal pole. He ends up doing what so many researchers do - traveling around looking for anything that can support a theory he already decided on.
In case you missed the distinct image from the Bell Film featured in The Lost Bullet... here it is:
(https://i.ibb.co/XxRVQLZp/Screenshot-2025-11-16-at-7-28-05-PM.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/Pz0ktpPh/Screenshot-2025-11-10-at-4-00-19-PM.png)
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Thus far, the LN's around here have not directly addressed the Bell Film Still Frame posted by Jake Maxwell. Instead, they have "pulled rank" by bowing at the alter of Holland & Litwin. It's as if since Holland & Litwin have Not discovered this Bell Film Still Frame, it obviously has no merit. How about getting off of your knees and directly addressing this Bell Film Still Frame? I remind you that this is a Forum for, "general discussion and debate". This is Not a house of worship.
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Thus far, the LN's around here have not directly addressed the Bell Film Still Frame posted by Jake Maxwell. Instead, they have "pulled rank" by bowing at the alter of Holland & Litwin. It's as if since Holland & Litwin have Not discovered this Bell Film Still Frame, it obviously has no merit. How about getting off of your knees and directly addressing this Bell Film Still Frame? I remind you that this is a Forum for, "general discussion and debate". This is Not a house of worship.
Royell, you are correct...
There has been no serious discussion of this image from the Bell Film. Like a thread unraveling a garment... it might lead to places some just don't want to go.
Thanks!
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Royell, you are correct...
There has been no serious discussion of this image from the Bell Film. Like a thread unraveling a garment... it might lead to places some just don't want to go.
Thanks!
How can you expect a serious discussion when you actually want people to believe that Abraham Zapruder was one of the JFK assassination conspirators? Why should anybody bother with you when you trumpet preposterous claims of that nature?
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How can you expect a serious discussion when you actually want people to believe that Abraham Zapruder was one of the JFK assassination conspirators? Why should anybody bother with you when you trumpet preposterous claims of that nature?
A serious discussion is not his mission.
His mission is to spread as much nation-rending disinformation as possible.
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A serious discussion is not his mission.
His mission is to spread as much nation-rending disinformation as possible.
Maxwell has discovered a figure on a Bell Film still frame. He has posted that still frame. Who do you believe that figure is? This has absolutely nothing to do with "disinformation".
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"Film notch" or sometimes called "film code" to indicate which side of the film has the emulsion...
Below is the image in context...
(https://i.ibb.co/Pz0ktpPh/Screenshot-2025-11-10-at-4-00-19-PM.png)
BUMP
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A serious discussion is not his mission.
His mission is to spread as much nation-rending disinformation as possible.
Tommys... a serious discussion considers all possibilities.
You've both "married" yourselves to a theory... and therefore:
Tommy, you can't see that Zapruder was possibly on a walkie-talkie shortly after the assassination, and possibly "cover" for the image picked up in the Bell Film...
Tom you can't see that Hoover was the perpetrator of disinformation and deception on the public and world, saying within two days of the assassination:
“The thing I am concerned about, and so is Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin.”
You evidently believe what Hoover and his minions issued to convince the public about Oswald...
Divorce your theory... and marry truth and justice, and THEN you can have a serious discussion that considers all possibilities, without using middle school put downs...
(https://i.ibb.co/XxRVQLZp/Screenshot-2025-11-16-at-7-28-05-PM.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/Cs0wgKdV/ezgif-com-animated-gif-maker-33.gif)
(https://i.ibb.co/YmyByjH/Screenshot-2025-07-01-at-9-50-05-AM.png)
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Tommys... a serious discussion considers all possibilities.
You've both "married" yourselves to a theory... and therefore:
Tommy, you can't see that Zapruder was possibly on a walkie-talkie shortly after the assassination, and possibly "cover" for the image picked up in the Bell Film...
Tom you can't see that Hoover was the perpetrator of disinformation and deception on the public and world, saying within two days of the assassination:
“The thing I am concerned about, and so is Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin.”
You evidently believe what Hoover and his minions issued about Oswald...
Divorce your theory... and marry truth and justice, and THEN you can have a serious discussion that considers all possibilities, without using middle school put downs...
(https://i.ibb.co/XxRVQLZp/Screenshot-2025-11-16-at-7-28-05-PM.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/Cs0wgKdV/ezgif-com-animated-gif-maker-33.gif)
(https://i.ibb.co/YmyByjH/Screenshot-2025-07-01-at-9-50-05-AM.png)
That dark figure inside the Yellow Circle is Not Zapruder. We can see this dark figure is wearing an "overcoat" that extends down to his knees. Zapruder was wearing a suit coat that day. This figure is Not Zapruder.
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That dark figure inside the Yellow Circle is Not Zapruder. We can see this dark figure is wearing an "overcoat" that extends down to his knees. Zapruder was wearing a suit coat that day. This figure is Not Zapruder.
I agree with you... I don't think this is Zapruder... but perhaps Zapruder was cover for this person...
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Here's one that I had to turn a little and stretch back into shape. Yes, I do believe most if not all of the films have been altered to some extent.[
Of course!
The evil, evil CIA does that a lot!
(LOL)
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We can see this dark figure is wearing an "overcoat" that extends down to his knees. Zapruder was wearing a suit coat that day. This figure is Not Zapruder.
It's not a long Overcoat, it's his Camera Bag which he has lifted from it's previous position at the bottom of the Pergola Wall where he had placed it while he was filming.
The way he is holding the Bag with his right arm in a low position is creating an illusion of him wearing a long coat.
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Zapruderbag.jpg)
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We are seeing the Back of Zapruder vs the Back of the Dark Figure on the Bell Film still frame. The Back of Zapruder shows a camera extending down his (R) Side. The Dark Figure shows something extending down his (L) Side to the knee level. (He's probably wearing an Overcoat). This (R) vs (L) issue means the Dark Figure is NOT Zapruder. Jake Maxwell has made a discovery.
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It's not a long Overcoat, it's his Camera Bag which he has lifted from it's previous position at the bottom of the Pergola Wall where he had placed it while he was filming.
The way he is holding the Bag with his right arm in a low position is creating an illusion of him wearing a long coat.
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Zapruderbag.jpg)
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Not even close...
(https://i.ibb.co/5gfyL6yS/Screenshot-2025-11-25-at-11-51-34-AM.png)
Yeah... a close resemblance...
(https://i.ibb.co/0y2DnF3b/Screenshot-2025-11-25-at-12-09-29-PM.png)
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(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/CameraCase.jpg)
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(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/CameraCase.jpg)
Perfect visual aid regarding the Zapruder camera NOT stretching down to the knee level. Plus, Zapruder had the camera strap stretching across his body. This would result in the camera hanging even higher on his body vs what we see above with Schwartz.
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Perfect visual aid regarding the Zapruder camera NOT stretching down to the knee level. Plus, Zapruder had the camera strap stretching across his body. This would result in the camera hanging even higher on his body vs what we see above with Schwartz.
Dear World-Famous Comrade Storing,
What's Officer Jones holding in his left hand?
-- Tom
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We could be looking at something similar to this...
(https://i.ibb.co/3mzjNGF4/ezgif-com-resize-79.gif)
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Well, isn’t this ironic ;D … the very image we’re looking at comes from The Lost Bullet, which features Max Holland pushing his theory that a shot from the sixth floor struck the traffic-signal pole. He ends up doing what so many researchers do - traveling around looking for anything that can support a theory he already decided on.
In case you missed the distinct image from the Bell Film featured in The Lost Bullet... here it is:
(https://i.ibb.co/XxRVQLZp/Screenshot-2025-11-16-at-7-28-05-PM.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/Pz0ktpPh/Screenshot-2025-11-10-at-4-00-19-PM.png)
In my opinion, we are looking at the Back of this dark figure.